Jaylon Smith and Randy Gregory

[glimmerman]

It wasn't long - I'm thinking it was maybe early 2nd quarter. Seems he also tweaked a knee too, but I don't think that was serious.

That’s actually encouraging for me. Not him being hurt but the fact he wasn’t in the game long enough to make impact plays. He had a good preseason.

 

[atlantacowboy]

How did Jerry gamble on Mo? He was considered the best defensive player in that draft.

He was by us. Pretty sure Carolina was more than happy to take Luke Keuchly.

Best CB since Dieon Sanders according to our scouting department. They all should have been fired.

 

[Batman1980]

He was by us. Pretty sure Carolina was more than happy to take Luke Keuchly.

Best CB since Dieon Sanders according to our scouting department. They all should have been fired.

Monte Kiffin deserved to be fired with a lot more disgrace than he was.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Monte Kiffin deserved to be fired with a lot more disgrace than he was.

Kiffin had nothing to do with Mo Claiborne pick.

 

[Batman1980]

Kiffin had nothing to do with Mo Claiborne pick.

Ah, oops, thought he did. Kiffin stunk regardless, Marinelli isn't much better.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Ah, oops, thought he did. Kiffin stunk regardless, Marinelli isn't much better.

KIffin was an old man. We can pin the Mo evaluation on McLay. Jerry doesn't know any of these players. He has no independent way of verifying anything b/c he doesn't do any of the GM work. He relies on the folks he hires.

 

[Batman1980]

KIffin was an old man. We can pin the Mo evaluation on McLay. Jerry doesn't know any of these players. He has no independent way of verifying anything b/c he doesn't do any of the GM work. He relies on the folks he hires.

Give Jerrah his GM walking papers right now.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Give Jerrah his GM walking papers right now.

He has said many times that if he didn't own the team, he would have fired himself as GM a long time ago. Jerry did his winning in the early 90's. Now its all about the brand and making money.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Wasnt MC a Rob Ryan pick?

I remember a lot of talk about needing another man-corner to pair with Carr at the time.

Kiffin had nothing to do with Mo Claiborne pick.

Ah, oops, thought he did. Kiffin stunk regardless, Marinelli isn't much better.

 

[OmerV]

Those were obviously stupid decisions

Claiborne was considered by most to be the best DB in the 2012 draft - he was only a bad choice in hindsight. Jaylon and Gregory were gambles, but the story isn't finished on either. Admittedly using a 2nd round pick on guys that ended up not being available for a few years tarnishes the picks even if they eventually work out.

 

[speedkilz88]

The Fan just announced that Randy Gregory is practicing today.

 

[visionary]

Claiborne was considered by most to be the best DB in the 2012 draft - he was only a bad choice in hindsight. Jaylon and Gregory were gambles, but the story isn't finished on either. Admittedly using a 2nd round pick on guys that ended up not being available for a few years tarnishes the picks even if they eventually work out.

only a complete moron (Jerry) trades up into the top 10 to pick a CB THEY DID NOT BRING IN FOR A VISIT AND THEREFORE DID NOT ADEQUATELY VET

Claiborne was a bigger gamble than either because he cost us Brockers and Wagner

how people like you blindly keep deluding yourself and defending this FO is beyond comprehension

 

[OmerV]

only a complete moron (Jerry) trades up into the top 10 to pick a CB THEY DID NOT BRING IN FOR A VISIT AND THEREFORE DID NOT ADEQUATELY VET

Claiborne was a bigger gamble than either because he cost us Brockers and Wagner

how people like you blindly keep deluding yourself and defending this FO is beyond comprehension

You read all the time about teams drafting players they say they were surprised because they hadn't talked to that team, plus there isn't any tape that hasn't been examined ad nauseum prior to the draft.

As for drafting Claiborne being a gamble because it cost us Wagner and Brockers, that doesn't even make sense because you are judging Brockers and Wagner based on hindsight and under the assumption the Cowboys (or any team) would have been able t make the best possible picks based on a hindsight view. Almost no draft day trade would ever happen if the teams could be guaranteed of making the best possible hindsight picks, but that's not reality.

 

[visionary]

You read all the time about teams drafting players they say they were surprised because they hadn't talked to that team, plus there isn't any tape that hasn't been examined ad nauseum prior to the draft.

As for drafting Claiborne being a gamble because it cost us Wagner and Brockers, that doesn't even make sense because you are judging Brockers and Wagner based on hindsight and under the assumption the Cowboys (or any team) would have been able t make the best possible picks based on a hindsight view. Almost no draft day trade would ever happen if the teams could be guaranteed of making the best possible hindsight picks, but that's not reality.

THEY DONT TRADE UP INTO THE TOP 10 FOR THESE PLAYERS
stop trying to move the goal posts

this is not hindsight. many (including myself) were on this board arguing against taking Claiborne when the pick was made
stupid decision by a moronic GM defended by deluded fans

 

[Bleu Star]

Probably the same time he’s supposed to “besst out” which was last year.

No. That was this year.

 

[Blackspider214]

I'm angry, too. If every single one of our draft picks had panned out to be the best available pick at the position, there's no telling how many superbowls we could have won.

With Garrett as coach? None.

 

[Blackspider214]

For people saying Claiborne was not a gamble? He absolutely was. Any time you give up a draft pick that high to move up, it's a big gamble. Now it was not near the stupidity as the Jaylon pick, though but it was still a big gamble. We still had a lot of needs and we gave up a premium pick for one player.

 

[Scotman]

What you 'think' is meaningless
What is actually happening is important
The real value of a high draft pick is that you can get an impact player that is cheap

Jaylon is just becoming even average in year 3
Even if he becomes a really good player (he's never going to be the pie in the sky generational talent you keep hanging your hat on) next year he'll be a FA and will either leave or we'll have to pay him a lot

Therefore we have lost out on the real benefit of a high draft pick

Miles Jack was sitting there but we relied on hope as our strategy as usual as usual

What I "think" isn't meaningless. It might not impact the game, but it certainly impacts my enjoyment of the game.

I'm not defending the front office and I haven't "hung my hat" on anything. The FO is to blame for 20+ years without any real success. The drafts until recently were a complete crap shoot and placed us in this quagmire of mediocrity. I don't even disagree with you on Jaylon's pick over Jack. With Jack, maybe we don't lose to Green Bay. I get it. I just think Jaylon will be worth his pick. Will he be better than every pick after him? Maybe not. I have never been one to go back and redraft in my head and pick every player who performed better than the guy we picked. Right now, he's the one guy I'm hoping will pan out because I like the kid and I hope he becomes what he looked like he could. I just enjoy rooting for him.

 

[mattjames2010]

Randy Gregory not only has off the field problems, he can't stay healthy when he's on the field. It's a waste of a roster spot at this point. Smith was overrated in college and I even mentioned this in the draft forum when he was coming out of college - I don't like dumb linebackers.

We had a chance to get Ramsey and Jack in 2016 draft and instead we went with an RB and "clear" eyes.

 

[BigD49]

These two and Morris Claiborne are the main reason our defense is just above average and not very good. Not to mention better picks in those 3 spots and maybe we win in 2014 and 2016 against A-Rod. Thanks a lot for being such a gambler, Jerry. I currently have doubts Smith and Gregory are ever going to become anything in the NFL.

I mean isn't it kinda obvious that our team would be much better if all of our draft picks were hits? You could make this same post for literally every team in the history of the NFL because there is no such thing as a risk-free pick. Giants went with "risk-free" players with no off the field baggage like Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers and they're garbage. Also not sure why Claiborne is even lumped in with the other two - he was a consensus elite talent that was slipping down the board further than was expected at that time