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Not to mention. That at the time Claiborne wasn’t seen as a risk at all. Claiborne was a very very highly rated prospect that really didn’t have any questions coming into the draft.

He just has been injury prone in the NFL. But there was no way to know that while he was in college because he wasn’t injury prone in colllege.

Don't confuse internet mock drafts with NFL front offices.

There were some question marks with Mo coming out of LSU. I know for sure I questioned his physical toughness/tackling.

Let's not forget, the Rams clearly needed and wanted CB that year. So what did they do? They traded out of the spot, choosing not to take the supposed best CB in the draft and ended up taking Janoris Jenkins at the top of the 2nd round.
 

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THEY DONT TRADE UP INTO THE TOP 10 FOR THESE PLAYERS
stop trying to move the goal posts

this is not hindsight. many (including myself) were on this board arguing against taking Claiborne when the pick was made
stupid decision by a moronic GM defended by deluded fans

Why are you yelling? lol Take a deep breath.

By the way, do you really think a portion of this board that believes one way are "goal post"? What about the people that thought we desperately needed a CB and Claiborne was considered the best of the bunch? Why don't they get to be the "goal post"? Seems to me your goal post is, in fact, based on hindsight, because the "goal post", it seems, is whoever hindsight proves to be right.
 

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Don't confuse internet mock drafts with NFL front offices.

There were some question marks with Mo coming out of LSU. I know for sure I questioned his physical toughness/tackling.

Let's not forget, the Rams clearly needed and wanted CB that year. So what did they do? They traded out of the spot, choosing not to take the supposed best CB in the draft and ended up taking Janoris Jenkins at the top of the 2nd round.

The Rams were 2-14 the season before - they needed more than a CB. They traded not because they didn't like Claiborne, but because they needed a LOT of draft picks to help rebuild the team.
 

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So far one is a Bob Marley fan and the other (Jaylon) is lost in space on the field.....I fear both of these # 2 picks will follow the JJ and Will Tradition of wasted no 2 picks.......
 

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Don't confuse internet mock drafts with NFL front offices.

There were some question marks with Mo coming out of LSU. I know for sure I questioned his physical toughness/tackling.

Let's not forget, the Rams clearly needed and wanted CB that year. So what did they do? They traded out of the spot, choosing not to take the supposed best CB in the draft and ended up taking Janoris Jenkins at the top of the 2nd round.

That’s great for you. It doesn’t change the fact that he was one of the most highly rated prospects in the draft.

You’re right the Rams did that. But Jenkins was a far far bigger gamble than Claiborne was. Jenkins had off the field issues out the wazoo, when he came out of college. That’s the only reason he fell so far.

That gamble paid off for the Rams.

The draft is never a sure thing on every player. You never ever know for sure. But Claiborne was nowhere near the gamble that Jaylon and Gregory were. He just wasn’t. So lumping his pick, into that category is just inaccurate.

As a matter of fact, the Rams taking Jenkins in the second is almost exactly like the cowboys taking Gregory in the second. Both players who fell to the second due to issues with marijuana. Nothing like the cowboys taking Claiborne though.
 

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And last year. It keeps getting postponed.
Well.. from my perspective, last year was Jaylon's rookie year (as planned when he was drafted 2 years ago)... I personally have been consistent with this being the year in which he should be 100 percent ready to break out. Can't speak for everyone....
 

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Why are you yelling? lol Take a deep breath.

By the way, do you really think a portion of this board that believes one way are "goal post"? What about the people that thought we desperately needed a CB and Claiborne was considered the best of the bunch? Why don't they get to be the "goal post"? Seems to me your goal post is, in fact, based on hindsight, because the "goal post", it seems, is whoever hindsight proves to be right.

Why am I yelling?
Because you clearly are unable to comprehend anything said in a normal voice
I clearly said this is not hindsight yet you come back and say it's hindsight

SEE WHY?
 

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Why am I yelling?
Because you clearly are unable to comprehend anything said in a normal voice
I clearly said this is not hindsight yet you come back and say it's hindsight

SEE WHY?

Do you think I can hear you yelling? Do you hear these voices in your head?

Yes, you clearly said this isn't hindsight, and I don't believe you. You seem to think that whatever you say is indisputable. You're wrong.
 

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That’s great for you. It doesn’t change the fact that he was one of the most highly rated prospects in the draft.

You’re right the Rams did that. But Jenkins was a far far bigger gamble than Claiborne was. Jenkins had off the field issues out the wazoo, when he came out of college. That’s the only reason he fell so far.

That gamble paid off for the Rams.

The draft is never a sure thing on every player. You never ever know for sure. But Claiborne was nowhere near the gamble that Jaylon and Gregory were. He just wasn’t. So lumping his pick, into that category is just inaccurate.

As a matter of fact, the Rams taking Jenkins in the second is almost exactly like the cowboys taking Gregory in the second. Both players who fell to the second due to issues with marijuana. Nothing like the cowboys taking Claiborne though.

What?

The point has nothing to do with either Gregory or Jaylon.

My point is you're overstating Claiborne's regard with actual NFL franchises. You're mistaking internet draftnik zeitgeist with actual NFL scouting/personnel departments.

How do I know that? Go ahead and feel free to post any insider information on how NFL front offices valued Mo.

Here's what we do know. Jerry infamously said his our scouts gave Claiborne the highest grade on a cornerback since Deion Sanders.
 

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You must’ve missed the memo.

Jaylon and Gregory are going to take over the NFL.

mmmm more koolaid please
 

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You must’ve missed the memo.

Jaylon and Gregory are going to take over the NFL.

mmmm more koolaid please
I have no idea who this Gregory guy is. Never heard of him....

But the J-Train is most definitely going to scorch the league this year.
 

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Do you think I can hear you yelling? Do you hear these voices in your head?

Yes, you clearly said this isn't hindsight, and I don't believe you. You seem to think that whatever you say is indisputable. You're wrong.

Ignorant Newbies :rolleyes:
 

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What?

The point has nothing to do with either Gregory or Jaylon.

My point is you're overstating Claiborne's regard with actual NFL franchises. You're mistaking internet draftnik zeitgeist with actual NFL scouting/personnel departments.

How do I know that? Go ahead and feel free to post any insider information on how NFL front offices valued Mo.

Here's what we do know. Jerry infamously said his our scouts gave Claiborne the highest grade on a cornerback since Deion Sanders.

How do you know?

Go ahead and post insider information that Claiborne wasn’t that highly regarded.
 

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What?

The point has nothing to do with either Gregory or Jaylon.

My point is you're overstating Claiborne's regard with actual NFL franchises. You're mistaking internet draftnik zeitgeist with actual NFL scouting/personnel departments.

How do I know that? Go ahead and feel free to post any insider information on how NFL front offices valued Mo.

Here's what we do know. Jerry infamously said his our scouts gave Claiborne the highest grade on a cornerback since Deion Sanders.

Also, my point. Was that the Claiborne pick was nothing like the Gregory or Jaylon pick. Which is a fact. They weren’t similar in any way shape or form.

Jaylon and Gregory slid to the second round due to major injury and substance use.

Claiborne was a highly regarded prospect that went around where he was expected to be drafted. In the top 10. He wasn’t considered a “gamble” as stated by the OP.

Nothing alike.
 

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Here's the thing with the 2nd round gambles. When they're unavailable to contribute immediately, the team loses out on the cheap wage-scale years of their careers. I'd rather see the team spend resources on players we can evaluate and benefit from sooner rather than later. Gregory and Claiborne's injury issues were not obviously foreseen, so those don't really count. This is mostly referring to Jaylon Smith and Bruce Carter, and to a lesser extent Lee because the wage scale doesn't apply. I also wonder if this applies to Conner Williams. This is about choosing players who need additional time to physically transform into their prime playing health, shape, or weight, in the wage scale era, at a draft position with no fifth year option.

Let the other teams watch Jaylon heal. If it works out, spend in free agency for his second contract. We've essentially been out of a second-round talent for the last couple of years, and just when he truly gets to 100%, it's second contract time anyways. In the meantime, we've not had a second round linebacker.
 

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These two and Morris Claiborne are the main reason our defense is just above average and not very good. Not to mention better picks in those 3 spots and maybe we win in 2014 and 2016 against A-Rod. Thanks a lot for being such a gambler, Jerry. I currently have doubts Smith and Gregory are ever going to become anything in the NFL.

Both need 3 more accrued seasons until they are free agents.

Jaylon has beat the injury. We'll see if Gregory can beat his addiction (or if the NFL changes policy).

It's very likely these guys are our two best defensive players for over the next 3 years. All brought to you by Jerry taking a gamble.
 
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