Jaylon Smith's nerve not firing

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FuzzyLumpkins said:
I don't see what the overanalysis is. I saw Jaylon pick his foot up jumping hurdles. I posted pictures of the range of motion he was going through. It doesn't get more direct or simple as far as evidence is concerned.

Stephen also said that things have happened that have made them even more confident that he was going to realize his potential and that he continues to improve. Other than the peroneal strengthening I am not sure what else there it to improve.

What I think is that when all the reports came out in late November that his nerve "started to regenerate" acting like that was news was when he started regaining motor function. I think since then he has continually gotten better.

An unqualified, anonymous source from Rappaport isn't going to change my mind regarding something that I have seen with my own two eyes.
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Post of the day.
 
Vinnie2u said:
How about Hunter Henry.
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Yeah thought of him, chris jones too, i think we can get a similar player in round the 3-4 this year so I could live with missing oit on those guys for Jaylons elite blue chip upside
 
BoysfanfromCanada said:
Why isn't nerve grafting an option? From what people posted here stats wise, it's got a decent success rate. I'm not sure if the procedure would take him out of the running of playing in 2018??
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Is that what its called? I do recall reading if nerve didnt fire on its own there was other options. My guess is he will try and give it a go with the brace. Sounds insane hes trying to play IN THE NFL w foot drop. Not saying he cant, but sheesh ... what an athlete.

The thing im most worried about is his knee/foot muscles trying to compensate for the foot drop and leading to him tweaking stuff..

Only thing we all agree is that no one is certain whats going to happen with him. Its wait and see.
 
We will know his condition after the draft. If that nerve isn't firing, we will absolutely draft a LB. we won't count on how he can play in a brace.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Huh? If that is what you got out of what I said then that is sad

Your issue is that you struggle with the notion of probabilities. I have repeatedly talked about Jaylon's future as a set of probable outcomes based on the nature of his injury with the information we have had at hand.

I said it was possible that the muscle would innervate starting around 8 months post op which would have been that August. I never feigned certainty.

Perhaps you should get an expert to read what I write to put it in terms that you can understand.
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Thanks Doc. You said that you wouldn't be surprised to see him in camp last July. You were pretty emphatic about it. I can dig up the posts if you like, doc.
 
sunbum said:
To your point, it would be nice for the organization or someone with medical authority to provide a definitive status update. Seems all we get is innuendo, vagueness or some snippet from that unnamed source. I understand the FO is not obligated to say anything but the fact we haven't heard something specific, undeniable from the FO leads me to think no definitive news is bad news.
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This is because the FO spent a round 2 pick on him, and thought that nerve would fire and they got a great player
cheaply.
If it turns out the nerve doesnt fire, then they will look stupid.
And they dont like looking stupid, so they will not talk about it, or be vague, or hopeful etc.

There is no point talking about him till The pre season, and see if he plays, and how he does then.

The thing is chances are cowboys could have got him in 3rd or 4th round, and used the 2nd round pick on a player who could play in
2016.
I dont think any other team would have taken him in 2nd round, those picks are too valuable to risk on a maybe player.

Same thing on Gregory, probably could have got him later in 3rd.

The cowboys seem to love getting a problem player who has or had 1st round talent, but no other team picks in 1st round, so
cowboys them scoop him up in 2nd round.
Better to gamble with getting them in 3rd than taking then in 2nd , and then the gamble is will the nerve fire, or can they quit the weed.
And then before that it was escobar, and nobody understood that pick. Not a bad player, but not a 2nd round pick.
 
CyberB0b said:
Thanks Doc. You said that you wouldn't be surprised to see him in camp last July. You were pretty emphatic about it. I can dig up the posts if you like, doc.
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That is because it was one possibility. Like I said you struggle with the notion of probabilities. Not surprised != certainty.

You're right I was emphatic that it was possible. I gave my reasoning given Coopers comments on the severity of the injury and the nature of nerve regeneration. I also stated it was possible that he never recovers.

If you need to simplify things to one option then that just speaks to your limitations.
 
DandyDon52 said:
This is because the FO spent a round 2 pick on him, and thought that nerve would fire and they got a great player
cheaply.
If it turns out the nerve doesnt fire, then they will look stupid.
And they dont like looking stupid, so they will not talk about it, or be vague, or hopeful etc.

There is no point talking about him till The pre season, and see if he plays, and how he does then.

The thing is chances are cowboys could have got him in 3rd or 4th round, and used the 2nd round pick on a player who could play in
2016.
I dont think any other team would have taken him in 2nd round, those picks are too valuable to risk on a maybe player.

Same thing on Gregory, probably could have got him later in 3rd.

The cowboys seem to love getting a problem player who has or had 1st round talent, but no other team picks in 1st round, so
cowboys them scoop him up in 2nd round.
Better to gamble with getting them in 3rd than taking then in 2nd , and then the gamble is will the nerve fire, or can they quit the weed.
And then before that it was escobar, and nobody understood that pick. Not a bad player, but not a 2nd round pick.
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My main problem with the Jaylon pick was that a team with no talent on defense shouldn't be taking risks on Druggies or Medical issues in the 2nd round. And just because a bad decision turns out good doesn't make it the right choice. How often we going to get high 2nd round picks?
 
Jaylon was always a long shot gamble. He must be looked at from that perspective. He should never have been taken with such a valuable pick. Whats done is done. The FO needs to learn from these 2nd rd ( mistakes) ?? Smith could still surprise...but don't count on it.
 
DandyDon52 said:
This is because the FO spent a round 2 pick on him, and thought that nerve would fire and they got a great player
cheaply.
If it turns out the nerve doesnt fire, then they will look stupid.
And they dont like looking stupid, so they will not talk about it, or be vague, or hopeful etc.

There is no point talking about him till The pre season, and see if he plays, and how he does then.

The thing is chances are cowboys could have got him in 3rd or 4th round, and used the 2nd round pick on a player who could play in
2016.
I dont think any other team would have taken him in 2nd round, those picks are too valuable to risk on a maybe player.

Same thing on Gregory, probably could have got him later in 3rd.

The cowboys seem to love getting a problem player who has or had 1st round talent, but no other team picks in 1st round, so
cowboys them scoop him up in 2nd round.
Better to gamble with getting them in 3rd than taking then in 2nd , and then the gamble is will the nerve fire, or can they quit the weed.
And then before that it was escobar, and nobody understood that pick. Not a bad player, but not a 2nd round pick.
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Agreed. I really hope this,boy makes it. The club desperately needs his skills.
 
And I am pretty sure that I said that the earliest that it would start firing was towards the end of camp in August.
 
cowboys2233 said:
This is the biggest question for me -- some seem to indicate that it is an on/off thing -- one day, it's not firing, the next, it is. Which frankly always sounded a little off to me, simply for the fact that the muscle would be so atrophied, it would be hard to recognize that the nerve is firing anyway, you still couldn't move your foot because your muscles simply wouldn't allow you to. I think this is a degree of healing thing and as I said yesterday, I find it hard to believe there hasn't been ANY improvement, given the way Jaylon has been moving in recent videos.

But this drop foot thing isn't the end of the world -- yes, you compensate for it because your foot is hanging lower than normal, but I have not felt any loss of side to side stability and if I had a brace to pick up the front of my foot, I could easily envision being close to my normal self, especially after getting used to it.
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It's sounds as if you have drop foot. If so, can you point your toes/forefoot down as if you were standing on your toes?
 
of course garrett and the jones are going to be positive and act like things are going great with smith there was a reason no other teams would take him in the draft in the second round
 
Vinnie2u said:
My main problem with the Jaylon pick was that a team with no talent on defense shouldn't be taking risks on Druggies or Medical issues in the 2nd round. And just because a bad decision turns out good doesn't make it the right choice. How often we going to get high 2nd round picks?
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But rookies rarely contribute a lot, even the 2nd rounders. DLaw did nothing as a rookie but played well the next year. Ron Leary didn't even make the active roster his rookie year and stayed on the Practice Squad - and noone even remembers that.

If Jaylon Smith plays anywhere near his talent level, its going to be a very minor issue that he didn't contribute as a rookie.
 
Kaiser said:
But rookies rarely contribute a lot, even the 2nd rounders. DLaw did nothing as a rookie but played well the next year. Ron Leary didn't even make the active roster his rookie year and stayed on the Practice Squad - and noone even remembers that.

If Jaylon Smith plays anywhere near his talent level, its going to be a very minor issue that he didn't contribute as a rookie.
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Not Contributing because you're a rookie is one thing. Another thing is your lower leg don't work. Or your getting suspended for drugs. we're losing our two starting CB's. And 2 safeties. That would of been a better choice.
 
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