Jeff Fisher said on Fox Radio that...

[DizzG]

What would you expect him to say?????

He is about to be a free agent coach.
He isn't ruling anything out.

A GM should get to hire his head coach. A head coach should get to hire his assistants.

Thats just simple logic....

how many times does it have to be explained that coaches do not always hire their whole staff's anymore? There are proven examples of this and Jeff Fisher is the SECOND NFL head coach I have heard say the same thing this week

but what would ACTUAL NFL coaches know over message board posters or general media hacks?

 

[Hostile]

But you do understand why even rational non Jerry haters would be concerned about some things no matter how fluffy one puts it, right? Especially if we're talking HC.

First off, those other teams you cite werent interested in him in that role yet.

Secondly the guys you mention in regards to being given the HC job without OC experience, took over teams that were 4-12, 4-12, 3-13 and 4-12 respectively so those teams had nothing to really lose by giving those guys a shot.

I believe people around here would like to think we're just a lil bit closer than that and as such some would just feel better about giving someone else the nod. And if even that person cant help get us over the hump in the next couple years, JG will be right there to take the reins at that point.

And nothing about having him wait a couple years, hell even just 1 should we tank next year, while taking on more responsibility in the meantime, would owe to him being somehow *less* prepared at that point.

I've always found that you can be concerned without going overboard. I mean it can be done.

Regarding your point about the teams that those coaches took over. You're correct, every one of those teams was a scrap heap and the Cowboys are not.

Kindly point out to me the Rolls Royce we should expect to just show up on our doorstep, allay all of our worries, and take this team to glory. Bill Belicheck? Prove to me we can get him without selling out all of our draft picks. Other than that guy I think every coaching candidate is a roll of the dice.

It just seems to me people are wanting a custom fit Armani suit and we're living in an off the rack world. There just isn't a Bill Parcells out there unattached and unencumbered who is dying to come coach the Dallas Cowboys.

Sometimes circumstances deal you a 4-12 team. Sometimes you get a 9-7 Wildcard team who should be a lot better and they have a ton of cap room for you to work with.

The only constant is talent. I think Jason Garrett will be just as talented with this team as he would be inheriting a 4-12 one, he just might benefit from the talent quicker. From where I sit, that isn't a bad thing.

 

[MONT17]

to me, HC most important job is his ability to manage people!!! His guys or not a good HC can get the most out of everyone in the organization! An average HC will always have problems and blame those problems on any and everything coaches and players included!!!


does anyone think CAMPO would have been successful if he hired his own staff? or does anyone think Belichek would be a failure in Dallas becuase Jerry hired an OC?


I know its hard but lay off the ESPN for like a week... then take a look at your sports outlook!!! You will be shocked... and u may not watch/listen to anything on a regular basis from ESPN again!!!

 

[Dave_in-NC]

It has been mentioned over and over...Dom Capers in Miami before Cam Cameron was hired as the HC. He was already there, but was expected to leave. There was even a contingent to bring him here to replace Zimmer. Capers was clearly NOT Cameron's choice as the DC but Cameron was fine with him being retained. His contract was over. Miami wanted to keep him. I don't see what's so hard to grasp about that.

People are going to say it's not the same, but it is the same. Or at the very least as close as it can get. There is no way on this earth to have 100% equal circumstances to use as an example.

It is a Coordinator being given a contract an in place before a HC is named. That is the criteria. All the rest of this is fluff and spin by those who simply want to find the Boogie Man under the bed.

Bottom line, Jerry scored a major coup getting Garrett back int he fold. As Jason's father said, "we're Cowboy people."

Damn right. This kid and his whole family are 100% loyal to this organization. How is this a bad hire? Answer, it isn't.

I swear, some people would gripe if they got hung with a new rope.

I'm sorry Hos just because his daddy said that I'm not all that giddy. I can live with him being the OC because he will help Romo develop further. The next move, the HC move has to be some one who can help JG. The guy was a QB coach and I'm not impressed.

 

[Hostile]

I'm sorry Hos just because his daddy said that I'm not all that giddy. I can live with him being the OC because he will help Romo develop further. The next move, the HC move has to be some one who can help JG. The guy was a QB coach and I'm not impressed.

You'd have to dig awful deep and in the wrong direction to find where I have ever said that his father's comment is the reason why I am excited with this hire. I just added that blurb for flavor because it's a cool quote. Focusing on that one blurb means you totally missed the mark.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

You'd have to dig awful deep and in the wrong direction to find where I have ever said that his father's comment is the reason why I am excited with this hire. I just added that blurb for flavor because it's a cool quote. Focusing on that one blurb means you totally missed the mark.

Yeah I guess I did. It's sorta sounding like the QB and pedigree thing.
That was proven false with Tony. I'm really trying to understand why a mediocre QB coach would benefit us other than he's a former player.
I'm not in no way saying that is your thoughts, I haven't seen you give reason why you think this is "gold". Educate me. I'm willing to hear this out by rational people.

 

[iceberg]

Yeah I guess I did. It's sorta sounding like the QB and pedigree thing.
That was proven false with Tony. I'm really trying to understand why a mediocre QB coach would benefit us other than he's a former player.
I'm not in no way saying that is your thoughts, I haven't seen you give reason why you think this is "gold". Educate me. I'm willing to hear this out by rational people.

so who - given the choices we have - make you happy as a HC now?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

so who - given the choices we have - make you happy as a HC now?

I have admitted I have no idea. I have no problem admitting when I don't know where I would turn. I don't claim to be the know all.

What I do know is I hope it's some one who has experience on both sides of the ball that can help if Garrett starts to fail.
I do know I want some one more of the Jimmy/Parcells mold who can keep our GM in line. Stop him from reverting to were he was for a decade.

Who that is no clue. When he get's hired I will see what I think.
Garrett as a HC No freaking way.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah I guess I did. It's sorta sounding like the QB and pedigree thing.
That was proven false with Tony. I'm really trying to understand why a mediocre QB coach would benefit us other than he's a former player.
I'm not in no way saying that is your thoughts, I haven't seen you give reason why you think this is "gold". Educate me. I'm willing to hear this out by rational people.

Why ask me then? :

I asked this in another thread but I'll reword it and let's see where it goes.

1. Nick Saban wanted to take him to Bama to be the OC there.

2. Cleveland was denied by Miami to interview for their OC job.

3. Miami hoped to retain him as their QB coach.

4. Dallas wants him. They wanted him even if Parcells was staying.

5. Nate Newton praises him.

6. Deion Sanders did too.

7. Troy Aikman called him a "coach on the field" (think Landry) when they played together.

8. Jimmy Johnson endorsed him.

9. A Houston writer with a Dallas hate blog calls it a bad day for Cowboys haters.



At what point in time is this going to sink in that this is not a bad move? Where is the strong evidence of this being a horrible failure? I mean outside of the handful of posters on this forum who think this is all Jerry. Look at that list. Jerry touches all of those opinions and directs them? Come on. That's reaching too far.

At some point in time looking for the falling sky has to become a fruitless effort. How much more endorsement does it take to realize that many respected people who are highly successful in the actual game of football believe in this kid?

I've believed in him since about 1995. Yesterday is a day I was looking forward to for a long time. I have had him earmarked as a coach since the day I heard Aikman praise him and say he knew the offense as well as Zampese or O'Reilly.

Think about this too. Super star coaches often are not superstar players. Here are some things to consider.

Parcells...a career backup, and a short career at that. Legendary coach.
Bart Starr...a star player, but a flop at HC.
Tony Dungy...a speed bump playing career. A great HC.
Forest Gregg...all world OT. Coaching flop.

And that list goes on. Other than Mike Ditka you'd be hard pressed to find a Hall of Fame caliber player who was a respected and successful Head Coach. But the Coaching bios of the NFL are littered with nondescript smart guys who became success stories on the sidelines.

I see no evidence of Garrett as a colossal failure in the making. At least none with NFL skins on the wall shouting it.

 

[DipChit]

Kindly point out to me the Rolls Royce we should expect to just show up on our doorstep, allay all of our worries, and take this team to glory. Bill Belicheck? Prove to me we can get him without selling out all of our draft picks. Other than that guy I think every coaching candidate is a roll of the dice.

It just seems to me people are wanting a custom fit Armani suit and we're living in an off the rack world. There just isn't a Bill Parcells out there unattached and unencumbered who is dying to come coach the Dallas Cowboys.

Well I'm starting to sound like a broken record on this but I feel like Reeves is the direction we should go in for 2 years. He's a far better leader of men than Wade or Norv. And you know he wants it bad.

Every time he's switched teams the teams got more W's that first year so I dont have much doubt he could do the same here. Denver of course as a rook, Atlanta to the SB in year 2, and +5 with the Giants to get them to 11 wins.. which prolly coulda been even better cept we were so good in '93 that we swept them.

People just to seem to respond to him.. at least over a short term before he might start grating on some. But we'd only want him for the short term anyway.

Then hire that Manusky dude to get your aggressive defense. Dan would buy in because Wade was his DC of course for a number of years.

See.. that was easy.

Cept I guess it aint sexy enough for Jerry... especially coming off another old curmudgeon that came up short.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Thnx Hos, I learned some thing there. I said before I have no problem with JG as OC. Head coach was a huge reach to me. I see people all over this forum and my home forum that complain we need a coach with fire. I remember Garrett from his Cowboy days, I don't remember fire but I guess the back up usually wouldn't be remembered.

I hope we equip him with a good HC who can keep Jerry from meddling.

 

[Hostile]

Well I'm starting to sound like a broken record on this but I feel like Reeves is the direction we should go in for 2 years. He's a far better leader of men than Wade or Norv. And you know he wants it bad.

Every time he's switched teams the teams got more W's that first year so I dont have much doubt he could do the same here. Denver of course as a rook, Atlanta to the SB in year 2, and +5 with the Giants to get them to 11 wins.. which prolly coulda been even better cept we were so good in '93 that we swept them.

People just to seem to respond to him.. at least over a short term before he might start grating on some. But we'd only want him for the short term anyway.

Then hire that Manusky dude to get your aggressive defense.

See.. that was easy.

Cept I guess it aint sexy enough for Jerry... especially coming off another old curmudgeon that came up short.

I have always loved Dan Reeves. Walt Garrison praised him as the smartest person he had ever met.

You know he's smart if he wants to coach this team. The one thing that has eluded him is a Super Bowl title. He can get it here and he knows this.

I'm all for it. If Jerry isn't I can't blame him. Reeves has been out of coaching for 4 years. That just burned Jerry with Parcells. As you said "an old curmudgeon who came up short." It's possibly just too close to recent history.

Think about this too. Reeves most recent gig has been as a Texans talent evaluator. They only passed on Reggie Bush recently. Instant red flag. I have no idea what his role in that was, but everyone involved will wear some of the stain. Mark my words, the day Kubiak is no longer the Texans HC they will mention that Draft faux pas.

 

[Hostile]

Thnx Hos, I learned some thing there. I said before I have no problem with JG as OC. Head coach was a huge reach to me. I see people all over this forum and my home forum that complain we need a coach with fire. I remember Garrett from his Cowboy days, I don't remember fire but I guess the back up usually wouldn't be remembered.

I hope we equip him with a good HC who can keep Jerry from meddling.

In my opinion Tom Landry, a noted stoic, had fire. To me fire isn't waving your arms and being Jon Gruden. To me fire is a pursuit of excellence. I have always considered that when people around you recognize your brilliance for the game it is evidence of fire.

 

[SuspectCorner]

Let me be the hat trick on this double goal scored. The only Head Coach we have ever had who brought in the entire staff he would have under him was Tom Landry. Every other Coach, including Jimmy, inherited some of the staff.

but the only one here at the time to greet landry was a guy named murchison - who promptly asked "hey, didya bring anybody with ya - cuz ya might need some help?"

 

[Alexander]

5. Nate Newton praises him.

6. Deion Sanders did too.

7. Troy Aikman called him a "coach on the field" (think Landry) when they played together.

9. A Houston writer with a Dallas hate blog calls it a bad day for Cowboys haters.

I wouldn't use these to support your case.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Well I'm starting to sound like a broken record on this but I feel like Reeves is the direction we should go in for 2 years. He's a far better leader of men than Wade or Norv. And you know he wants it bad.

Every time he's switched teams the teams got more W's that first year so I dont have much doubt he could do the same here. Denver of course as a rook, Atlanta to the SB in year 2, and +5 with the Giants to get them to 11 wins.. which prolly coulda been even better cept we were so good in '93 that we swept them.

People just to seem to respond to him.. at least over a short term before he might start grating on some. But we'd only want him for the short term anyway.

Then hire that Manusky dude to get your aggressive defense.

See.. that was easy.

Cept I guess it aint sexy enough for Jerry... especially coming off another old curmudgeon that came up short.

Hiring a coach that knows he's a short term solution scares me. If a guy knows he's a fill in what effort is he going to put in. Especially Reeves.
Isn't there health issues? I would rather have a guy who thinks Garrett is JJs next miracle and wants the job for more than a season or two. That would at least be motivation to try and succeed.

 

[Hostile]

I wouldn't use these to support your case.

You're not me. Thanks for the advice though.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I wouldn't use these to support your case.

Nate was a reach but other than that I thought it was a decent list.

 

[DizzG]

I wouldn't use these to support your case.

I'd use them over message board posters

 

[DipChit]

Hiring a coach that knows he's a short term solution scares me. If a guy knows he's a fill in what effort is he going to put in. Especially Reeves.
Isn't there health issues? I would rather have a guy who thinks Garrett is JJs next miracle and wants the job for more than a season or two. That would at least be motivation to try and succeed.

No the thing is Reeves wants it. I would've never thought that was true but he was interviewed during the Shrine game and the reporter asked him about coaching again.

I fully expected he'd say no thanks, my work is done there.. but instead he said.. Well you know, I had a great run.. 23 straight years before I stepped away for awhile.. but I'd really like to make it 24 or 25.

Then of course the report that he actually even called Jerry about it the other day. Now if he actually has like 5 years in mind, well nevermind.

As for his health.. he says it checks out.