Jerry about not being able to afford players and the cap and so on

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

I wouldn't pay him unless we are changing to a 3-4 to maximize his potential. He doesn't have the size to play DE well for 17 plus games year in year out.

 

[LOBO7]

JUST asking. Are they moving the 20 million to next season to help payoff the 40 million they still owe Dak from his first contract?

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

It may all be ********, but when some of your are saying how much cap space the cowboys have, is that for the current year, or are you looking at how much cap space they have several years down? Players get payed a percentage each year. Is the current cap space also taking into consideration the players on the team who we are trying to still sign? I too wanted to get a better running back than Zeke but well I think some of you guys are over simplifying things without showing actual researched proof by giving us the numbers of say, if we sign M. Parsons this is how much a year he would take up, and if we sign these players this is how much, before you get to if we sign this running back we don't have and this receiver we don't have, and then see if the cap is still fine.

 

[Creeper]

ALL OF IT IS BS. the cowboys have 23M in cap space and yet, Jerry and stephen said, they couldn't afford Henry. not that they think Zeke is good as him or almost as good, they couldn't afford henry.

Dallas had 10M on the cap in 2023. they have 23M available on the cap in 2024.

in terms of dead cap money, we are at 20M, which is 26th in the league. this tells me they hold on to their players until contracts run out. they are not making moves.

in terms of total cash spent, we are 14th, mostly because of CD and Dak contract, else we were in the 30th range.
some of the top 10 in cash spend include Philly, SF, Miami, Det, Houston, KC....coincedence?
we are 17th in cash spend at this point for 2025 (committed money).

in terms of combined AAV, we are 15th in the league.... again Philly, Detroit, SF, Buffalo, Miami, Houston, Min are all in top 10.

this is a badly mismanaged team, that doesn't know how to manage the cap. they are not interested in building a team. obvious they are not interested in FA. they are focused on maximizing profits. they don't care about winning a championship or building a champtionship team. I have heard all the people complaining about Dak's contract and now we have no cap to spend on anybody else!!!!....yet we have 23M available!!!!

we are 7th in cap allocation in 2025, with ability to open about 65M on the cap with a few restructures. but will they do it? probably not.

source: Cap space per team

Jerry and Stephen have never explained the CAP problem exactly. It cannot be about the 2024 CAP because they could have extended CeeDee back in March and freed up $16 million in CAP space. They could have freed up more by extending Dak too. You're right, they have about $23 million in CAP room now and they may be planning on carrying that over into 2025. Maybe they see a bigger CAP problem in the future when Dak's CeeDee's and Micah's contracts are all maximized? I don't know but even that makes no sense because Henry could be off the books in a couple of years.

But not only did they not sign any free agents, they also let a lot of talent leave. Fowler and Armstrong are costing Washington less that $9 million in CAP dollars. Biadasz is costing another $4.4 million. The Cowboys deliberately allowed the talent drain this year for some reason. They had to know it would hurt the team overall.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

He's been lying about the cap since Dak's first contract...

 

[Parcells4Life]

It may all be bull****, but when some of your are saying how much cap space the cowboys have, is that for the current year, or are you looking at how much cap space they have several years down? Players get payed a percentage each year. Is the current cap space also taking into consideration the players on the team who we are trying to still sign? I too wanted to get a better running back than Zeke but well I think some of you guys are over simplifying things without showing actual researched proof by giving us the numbers of say, if we sign M. Parsons this is how much a year he would take up, and if we sign these players this is how much, before you get to if we sign this running back we don't have and this receiver we don't have, and then see if the cap is still fine.

Go to: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys

For next year the team has 39 players signed for next year. That included DLaw and Martin who are going to definitely be gone.

They have 28 million in cap space. So when they’re gone you have 37 active players that include guys like Nathan Thomas, Earl Bostick and KJ Henry. Which means you have to find at least 16 more just to make up an active roster plus practice squad.

Now Dak can be restructured and save the team 12 million according to https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cap/_/year/2025 but that gives you just 40 million to find all those players

 

[JeffInDC]

JUST asking. Are they moving the 20 million to next season to help payoff the 40 million they still owe Dak from his first contract?

That's the one feature I wish OverTheCap's calculator had - the ability to add rollover Cap Room. As it stand right now, Dak has a HUGE Cap Hit next year (almost $90M). What's so crazy is that they can create quite a bit of cap space WITHOUT touching Dak's deal. As of today, they state Dallas will have over $28+M without any moves for '25. Restructuring CeeDee ALONE takes that $28+ to a little over $50M - and that, again, is WITHOUT restructuring Dak (so he can be released as early as '26). Also, Micah's Cap Hit next year is ALREADY $21+M, so extending him will probably DROP his number by at least $10M, so they could easily have $60M+ with just those 2 moves...and I haven't even added whatever rollover $$$ they would have. The key will be NOT touching Dak's deal so he can be released sooner than later if he keeps stinking it up.

 

[JeffInDC]

Go to: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys

For next year the team has 39 players signed for next year. That included DLaw and Martin who are going to definitely be gone.

They have 28 million in cap space. So when they’re gone you have 37 active players that include guys like Nathan Thomas, Earl Bostick and KJ Henry. Which means you have to find at least 16 more just to make up an active roster plus practice squad.

Now Dak can be restructured and save the team 12 million according to https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cap/_/year/2025 but that gives you just 40 million to find all those players

I hope and pray they don't restructure Dak...they can create space restructuring CeeDee and extending Micah.

 

[Typhus]

Chuckles said they had to sign several players currently on the roster so they can't afford to sign free agents. I fully expect them to sign Parsons to a monster deal even though he hasn't earned it.

I fully expect them to sign Parsons even though he would be optimum trade bait for a team pretending to want to rebuild.

 

[Parcells4Life]

That's the one feature I wish OverTheCap's calculator had - the ability to add rollover Cap Room. As it stand right now, Dak has a HUGE Cap Hit next year (almost $90M). What's so crazy is that they can create quite a bit of cap space WITHOUT touching Dak's deal. As of today, they state Dallas will have over $28+M without any moves for '25. Restructuring CeeDee ALONE takes that $28+ to a little over $50M - and that, again, is WITHOUT restructuring Dak (so he can be released as early as '26). Also, Micah's Cap Hit next year is ALREADY $21+M, so extending him will probably DROP his number by at least $10M, so they could easily have $60M+ with just those 2 moves...and I haven't even added whatever rollover $$$ they would have. The key will be NOT touching Dak's deal so he can be released sooner than later if he keeps stinking it up.

But when you have to go find 20 players to fill a roster the money won’t go as far as you think.

 

[JeffInDC]

But when you have to go find 20 players to fill a roster the money won’t go as far as you think.

You make a valid point - I'm thinking most of the signings will come in around that $1-2M Cap hits. But, they'll still have $$$ to make moves that, sadly, history has shown they WON'T do.

 

[iceberg]

He's lying about the cap. So is Stephen.

I firmly believe they handle contracts now to make it seem like they are always up against the cap to make it seem like they are investing heavily in the roster. Jerry expects his fanbase to be ignorant. But unfortunately for him, there are some pretty smart fans and the salary cap isn't as complicated as he hopes his fans will believe.

Facts matter and in this case, we have data that shows how much he's really invested in his teams and that reality is the Cowboys are a bottom third team in terms of actual cash spent on their roster. They structure and manage contracts in a way that it makes it look like they are always fighting the cap but in reality, they invest way less actual money in their roster than other teams, including divisional peers like the Eagles.

So the next time Jerry cries about being cap poor, know he thinks we the fans are stupid and will buy his bull poop. He is quickly becoming a loathsome owner in the same class as some of the NFL's worst and most pompous owners.

expects?

they're still here, selling out the stadium.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jerry and Stephen have never explained the CAP problem exactly. It cannot be about the 2024 CAP because they could have extended CeeDee back in March and freed up $16 million in CAP space. They could have freed up more by extending Dak too. You're right, they have about $23 million in CAP room now and they may be planning on carrying that over into 2025. Maybe they see a bigger CAP problem in the future when Dak's CeeDee's and Micah's contracts are all maximized? I don't know but even that makes no sense because Henry could be off the books in a couple of years.

But not only did they not sign any free agents, they also let a lot of talent leave. Fowler and Armstrong are costing Washington less that $9 million in CAP dollars. Biadasz is costing another $4.4 million. The Cowboys deliberately allowed the talent drain this year for some reason. They had to know it would hurt the team overall.

I am sure that's the plan to carry the cap over, but that's the root of it too, then they don't have to spend the cash, redo and restructure contracts, allow contracts to run out....I don't there is any one thing that's the answer, but you look at cap space, cash spend, dead money and it shows how they have focused on spending less cash (cash today is worth more than cash spent tomorrow).

they can easily restructure contracts and open 60M in cap space. that means we could easily have 100M in cap space and sign some major FAs, but FA is expensive, you have to slightly over pay for players. and that's what they don't want to do.

Jerry has shown he won't cut players, because then he has dead money (money paid out), but he also has to pay the new player....which is why our dead cap is so low....he is letting contracts run out.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Don't listen to what Jerry says, watch what he does. Henry wasn't a cap issue, his cost was beyond what they are willing to spend in FA. Every year when free agency opens, they go on vacation. On occasion they'll trade for a few players a bit past their prime, but won't spend that much in FA.

Either Jerry or his sone said it this year. We believe in our process.

Jerry doesn't like to cut players...because then he has to replace them and has to pay them and already having paid another player. so he lets contracts run out...
that's why our dead cap money is so low. we keep players even if we know they are not worth it and need replaced, which forces our hand in the draft, to pick for need.

 

[Chasing6]

ALL OF IT IS BS. the cowboys have 23M in cap space and yet, Jerry and stephen said, they couldn't afford Henry. not that they think Zeke is good as him or almost as good, they couldn't afford henry.

Dallas had 10M on the cap in 2023. they have 23M available on the cap in 2024.

in terms of dead cap money, we are at 20M, which is 26th in the league. this tells me they hold on to their players until contracts run out. they are not making moves.

in terms of total cash spent, we are 14th, mostly because of CD and Dak contract, else we were in the 30th range.
some of the top 10 in cash spend include Philly, SF, Miami, Det, Houston, KC....coincedence?
we are 17th in cash spend at this point for 2025 (committed money).

in terms of combined AAV, we are 15th in the league.... again Philly, Detroit, SF, Buffalo, Miami, Houston, Min are all in top 10.

this is a badly mismanaged team, that doesn't know how to manage the cap. they are not interested in building a team. obvious they are not interested in FA. they are focused on maximizing profits. they don't care about winning a championship or building a champtionship team. I have heard all the people complaining about Dak's contract and now we have no cap to spend on anybody else!!!!....yet we have 23M available!!!!

we are 7th in cap allocation in 2025, with ability to open about 65M on the cap with a few restructures. but will they do it? probably not.

source: Cap space per team

Just imagine. We could have like 6 more Zeke's or 4 more Trance's on our team with that money.

 

[raven55]

they have proved beyond a shadow of doubt they don't know how to manage the cap if any one had any doubts this season has put a spotlight on that and as for as trades there in al davis mode and that started 3 years ago so trading is out of the question, just look how 49ers took them to the wood shed on a qb that is never going to be able to play not even in the future for them as a matter of fact why even trade for him because after this year he's gone. and as far as drafting i don't know who's running that show but he ought to be fired

 

[rambo2]

ALL OF IT IS BS. the cowboys have 23M in cap space and yet, Jerry and stephen said, they couldn't afford Henry. not that they think Zeke is good as him or almost as good, they couldn't afford henry.

Dallas had 10M on the cap in 2023. they have 23M available on the cap in 2024.

in terms of dead cap money, we are at 20M, which is 26th in the league. this tells me they hold on to their players until contracts run out. they are not making moves.

in terms of total cash spent, we are 14th, mostly because of CD and Dak contract, else we were in the 30th range.
some of the top 10 in cash spend include Philly, SF, Miami, Det, Houston, KC....coincedence?
we are 17th in cash spend at this point for 2025 (committed money).

in terms of combined AAV, we are 15th in the league.... again Philly, Detroit, SF, Buffalo, Miami, Houston, Min are all in top 10.

this is a badly mismanaged team, that doesn't know how to manage the cap. they are not interested in building a team. obvious they are not interested in FA. they are focused on maximizing profits. they don't care about winning a championship or building a champtionship team. I have heard all the people complaining about Dak's contract and now we have no cap to spend on anybody else!!!!....yet we have 23M available!!!!

we are 7th in cap allocation in 2025, with ability to open about 65M on the cap with a few restructures. but will they do it? probably not.

source: Cap space per team

He lied about Derrick Henry. Totally stupid move.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

He's been lying about the cap since Dak's first contract...

They constantly lie about the cap because they honestly believe that the average fan isn't smart enough to figure it out on their own. It literally takes a couple clicks on the internet.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

They constantly lie about the cap because they honestly believe that the average fan isn't smart enough to figure it out on their own. It literally takes a couple clicks on the internet.

I mean do you read this board? lol

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

That's the one feature I wish OverTheCap's calculator had - the ability to add rollover Cap Room. As it stand right now, Dak has a HUGE Cap Hit next year (almost $90M). What's so crazy is that they can create quite a bit of cap space WITHOUT touching Dak's deal. As of today, they state Dallas will have over $28+M without any moves for '25. Restructuring CeeDee ALONE takes that $28+ to a little over $50M - and that, again, is WITHOUT restructuring Dak (so he can be released as early as '26). Also, Micah's Cap Hit next year is ALREADY $21+M, so extending him will probably DROP his number by at least $10M, so they could easily have $60M+ with just those 2 moves...and I haven't even added whatever rollover $$$ they would have. The key will be NOT touching Dak's deal so he can be released sooner than later if he keeps stinking it up.

Good math, though the key is to restructure Dak and add pieces everywhere so that they aren't burning years for no reason. They're not going to cut him two years into the extension.

They could have well over $100m in cap space if they want, even without the rollover, and be no worse than they are now. Just for even numbers, let's assume they are currently at $265m committed to next year and the cap will be $285m (same jump as 2023 to 2024), so $20m available space.

Dak Restructure: $37.2
CD Restructure: $20.5
Terrence Steele Post June 1 Cut: $14m
Donovan Wilson Cut: $5.4m
Micah Extension: $10m

These easy moves put you at $107m and you haven't gutted the roster (there's little fat to trim anyway). This does not account for any rollover or void year logistics for Zack Martin, Demarcus Lawrence or Brandin Cooks ($21m).

You have pending contracts for Daron Bland, Tyler Smith, Jake Ferguson and Osa and a backup QB as UFA - extending all of them is probably going to count for ~$50m cap