Jerry Jones open to trading 2016 first-rounder

[ActualCowboysFan]

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...esn-t-like-cowboys-running-back-situation.ece

On questions about current Cowboys backfield:

Baldinger: "Let’s just start with Darren McFadden. I know Jerry’s always been smitten by Darren McFadden. Darren McFadden has never been able to make people miss. Ever. That’s why he’s been injured. That’s why he’s averaged less than 3 ½ yards per carry the last three years. 47 percent of his runs in 2014 went for less than three yards. 57 percent of his runs in 2013 went for less than three yards. You can say it’s all the Raiders’ fault and they just don’t have a good offensive line, and maybe that’s true, but that’s the resume that he brings. Joseph Randle, look, he’s had 105 carries in two years and he’s shown flashes of being a one-cut runner. His own coach at Oklahoma State, Mike Gundy, couldn’t figure out why he didn’t play hard every week and why he wasn’t a guy that showed up week-in, week-out at Oklahoma State. I’ve got questions about Joseph Randle if you think he’s going to be a guy, or the guy since he’s the youngest in that room. Lance Dunbar’s been in the league for three years, has yet to find the end zone. Ryan Williams has been in the league since 2011, was a high second-round pick of Arizona. He has averaged 2.6 yards a carry in four years, played in a total of five games. When Arizona needed a back desperately as the team was limping to the playoffs a year ago, Bruce Arians decided not to elevate Ryan Williams to the active roster from the practice squad. So I’ve got questions about Ryan Williams, five games in four years. That’s the running back room right now."

Ryan Williams wasn't on the Cardinals practice squad last season. You don't have to shoot the messenger when they fall on their own sword trying to fit the facts to their preconceived narrative.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Ryan Williams wasn't on the Cardinals practice squad last season.

That reads a year ago, which would be before the 2014 season, meaning 2013.

 

[AsthmaField]

Bob Sturm put it at 33% based on the Collins signing. Adding he and Gregory do offer the potential to offset a traded premium pick.

That makes no sense to me.

So it is like: "Wow, we really got lucky and got 3 first round picks this year for the price of only one... So I think we need to throw away next year's first in order to kind of make things even. Kind of bring us back to the pack."

I mean, WTH?

 

[waving monkey]

I repeat just say no

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

That reads a year ago, which would be before the 2014 season, meaning 2013.

They weren't in the playoffs in 2013. So you're back in your "signature" position.

 

[AsthmaField]

I really wish articles like this one would quit saying that Collins, Hardy and Gregory means that Dallas is all in on trying to win the super bowl.

1. Collins doesn't belong in that group at all. There was a question about him when the police were talking to him, so no team risked a pick on him. By the time Dallas did sign him, every team in the league wanted him. There is no risk there... only huge, huge upside (which is why everyone wanted him). At this point, Collins is simply a high first round pick that had bad luck and now is signed for peanuts. It is nothing but pure luck for Dallas and Jerry's salesmanship.

2. Gregory isn't much risk. He is a rookie with a ton of upside and only a second round pick as the risk. That isn't about this year any more than any other rookie. The team thinks he has special skills at a position that they both value and need help at, and would draft him at pick #60 no matter which draft it was. It wasn't about going for broke this season... it was about super value and a player they think they can keep straight. It just so happens that Dallas is a playoff contender right now... Gregory was a choice they'd always make no matter what.

3. Hardy, I can see where people would point to him as going for it this year. Still, I think Dallas would have made the move regardless of if they were contenders or not. He fit their criteria for a big free agent acquisition (Young, can finish a long contract still in his prime, plays at a position the team values and will pay for) and they want him to stay long term assuming he stays out of trouble and plays like he did in Carolina. IMO, this move is just as much about the future as any pick up this year. If they could have been assured that he won't get into more trouble and that he would be just as good as 2013, they would have gone ahead and signed him long term. They just wanted to give him a trial year before giving him the long term deal he wanted and deserves.

Collins will be a mainstay on the NFL's best OL for years to come. Gregory will be a WDE for Dallas for a long time if he stays clean, and Hardy will be an edge rusher in Dallas for the foreseeable future if he stays out of trouble.

These moves were all about the future as much as the Byron Jones or Chaz Green picks. Dallas is setting itself up for a long, long run... not just for this season. I could see it if any of these guys were 31, but they aren't. This is for the future as well as the present.

[/soapbox]

 

[dallasdave]

I really wish articles like this one would quit saying that Collins, Hardy and Gregory means that Dallas is all in on trying to win the super bowl.

1. Collins doesn't belong in that group at all. There was a question about him when the police were talking to him, so no team risked a pick on him. By the time Dallas did sign him, every team in the league wanted him. There is no risk there... only huge, huge upside (which is why everyone wanted him). At this point, Collins is simply a high first round pick that had bad luck and now is signed for peanuts. It is nothing but pure luck for Dallas and Jerry's salesmanship.

2. Gregory isn't much risk. He is a rookie with a ton of upside and only a second round pick as the risk. That isn't about this year any more than any other rookie. The team thinks he has special skills at a position that they both value and need help at, and would draft him at pick #60 no matter which draft it was. It wasn't about going for broke this season... it was about super value and a player they think they can keep straight. It just so happens that Dallas is a playoff contender right now... Gregory was a choice they'd always make no matter what.

3. Hardy, I can see where people would point to him as going for it this year. Still, I think Dallas would have made the move regardless of if they were contenders or not. He fit their criteria for a big free agent acquisition (Young, can finish a long contract still in his prime, plays at a position the team values and will pay for) and they want him to stay long term assuming he stays out of trouble and plays like he did in Carolina. IMO, this move is just as much about the future as any pick up this year. If they could have been assured that he won't get into more trouble and that he would be just as good as 2013, they would have gone ahead and signed him long term. They just wanted to give him a trial year before giving him the long term deal he wanted and deserves.

Collins will be a mainstay on the NFL's best OL for years to come. Gregory will be a WDE for Dallas for a long time if he stays clean, and Hardy will be an edge rusher in Dallas for the foreseeable future if he stays out of trouble.

These moves were all about the future as much as the Byron Jones or Chaz Green picks. Dallas is setting itself up for a long, long run... not just for this season. I could see it if any of these guys were 31, but they aren't. This is for the future as well as the present.

[/soapbox]

Great post, I hope Dallas can win the Super Bowl this year and many times in years to come. You are right the team is young and built not just for now, but also for the future .

 

[dallasdave]

The big one should have remained open. Bring AD home!

Merged again ? It is frozen right now.

 

[JBell]

There was a lot of talk about how we couldn't pay both Dez and Demarco. So how will we be able to afford Dez and AP?

If I hear "I'd rather have AP over some unproven late 1st rounder" one more time I'm going to go outside and drive 5 miles past the speed limit.

It's not as simple as deciding between AP and a rookie. You have to think about the salary cap implications AP causes.

It's more like AP and a giant salary

or

A first rounder with 5 years of cheap club control, and a top notch free agent or two.

Trading for AP means one of Dez, Hardy, or T. Crawford will be gone.

This team is already great right now, and is in position to be great for a long time as long as the front office keeps making shrewd decisions.

Trading a 1st for an aging AP is a short-sighted type of move that Jerry would've made a decade ago.

 

[thechosen1n2]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...n-to-trading-2016-1st-rounder?FTAG=YHF7e3228e

After watching his team fall two games short of the Super Bowl in 2014, it sounds like Jerry Jones is prepared to go all-in for 2015.

You probably already assumed that Jones was all-in after the Cowboys signed both Greg Hardy and La'el Collins this offseason, while also drafting Randy Gregory.

If it wasn't clear though, Jones made it clear on Friday when he told a Dallas radio station that he'd be willing to trade the Cowboys 2016 first-round pick if it meant improving the team "now."

After a lot of thought I think I have changed my mine. I was opposed to trading a 1st or 2nd before, but not only open to it, I would lean towards doing it. With AP, This Oline, Romo, Wit and Dez, combined with what I think will be a much improved Defense, our first round pick should be no lower than the 29 pick. We have multiple compensatory picks. Our main needs will be DT and DB. You can get a good DB in the 2nd and and DT in 3rd or 4th. If AP can give us 2 good full time years, and split time the 3rd, he will be worth a 1st round pick.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

I'm going to go outside and drive 5 miles past the speed limit.

ALL DAY

 

[Broges74]

They weren't in the playoffs in 2013. So you're back in your "signature" position.

Yeah and that means Baldinger doesn't know as much as most zoners..

Still like 'The Cowboys Way', Good QB play, star RB, and 'get to the QB' D. It's worked for us before:

Staubach- Dorsett-Pearson
Aikman- Smith-Irvin
Romo- (Randle, Williams, MsFadden, Dunbar)?-Bryant

We have a chance to make that name Peterson instead of guys just lucky to have a job.

 

[dallasdave]

Yeah and that means Baldinger doesn't know as much as most zoners..

Still like 'The Cowboys Way', Good QB play, star RB, and 'get to the QB' D. It's worked for us before:

Staubach- Dorsett-Pearson
Aikman- Smith-Irvin
Romo- (Randle, Williams, MsFadden, Dunbar)?-Bryant

We have a chance to make that name Peterson instead of guys just lucky to have a job.

You have a way of making a point and I love it, AP for RB in Dallas .... This is what is best for business. And the business is Dallas winning the Super Bowl this year.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Yeah and that means Baldinger doesn't know as much as most zoners..

Still like 'The Cowboys Way', Good QB play, star RB, and 'get to the QB' D. It's worked for us before:

Staubach- Dorsett-Pearson
Aikman- Smith-Irvin
Romo- (Randle, Williams, MsFadden, Dunbar)?-Bryant

We have a chance to make that name Peterson instead of guys just lucky to have a job.

Right, so a guy who was in the league may have made a mistake and misquoted a date, and you think there are people on this board who know more than he does about this game. A guy paid by the NFL network as a analyst and host, who covers ALL the teams and is not just a fanboy reading all the blogs and newspapers on one team.

So should I believe you have little insight into our team because you misspelled McFadden's name in your post?

This is exactly the type of fishbowl you don't have to live in and be responsible to some guy out there in TV land who will parse your words and suggest you are clueless.

Perspective might be something you should latch on to.

 

[Broges74]

So should I believe you have little insight into our team because you misspelled McFadden's name in your post?
.

I didn't misspell. I call him McFlatten or MsFadden.

BTW: I agree with the guy about our current backs.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I didn't misspell. I call him McFlatten or MsFadden.

Then excuse me for holding you in a higher esteem than I should have. I will correct that error immediately

 

[Broges74]

Then excuse me for holding you in a higher esteem than I should have. I will correct that error immediately

Alright BUT, if you look at my first post where I said I agree with Baldinger? I was making a joke that you obviously missed (But he did not know Williams was here last year..).

 

[Beast_from_East]

Why does it have to be a trade for AP? Maybe we trade our first round pick for a young RB like Lamar Miller in Miami. He had over 1,000 yards rushing, is only 24 years old, and is in a crowded backfield so Miami might be willing to move him instead of just letting him walk for nothing next season.

Just saying that we might trade for a RB not named AP.

 

[Staubacher]

You have a way of making a point and I love it, AP for RB in Dallas .... This is what is best for business. And the business is Dallas winning the Super Bowl this year.

And business is a'boomin

 

[percyhoward]

These moves were all about the future as much as the Byron Jones or Chaz Green picks. Dallas is setting itself up for a long, long run... not just for this season. I could see it if any of these guys were 31, but they aren't. This is for the future as well as the present.

I'd be doing everything to try to go into the 2017 draft with two 1st-round picks to trade up for our next QB.