Jerry Jones open to trading 2016 first-rounder

[MRV52]

The only running back I would give up a 1st round draft pick for is Peterson.

If we can't get AP forget it, lets just go with what we have.

 

[T-RO]

If we can't get AP forget it, lets just go with what we have.

The draft pick is the lesser consideration...even if it is a first. The money to pay the contract is the bigger part. It's like the money for 3 top free agents. And more importantly...it's money the Cowboys don't have.

And just a reminder: the last time I checked not one running back was ever fast enough to run away from father time.

I would do the AP deal if it was a second pick at $5-7 mil per season. But not as it stands.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Honest question: if we are healthy, who beats us if we have AD?

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Right. Nobody. What's that worth? That's what the Cowboys have to decide.

You make a great point....................Peterson behind this line would make us the favorites going into every game this season. I don't see one team on the schedule we would be underdogs to.

Yea, how much is that worth?

 

[Broges74]

Dez Bryant
I'd Love to Play w/ Adrian Peterson
... 'That Man's a Monster!'

"The Vikings not lettin' that happen, 'cause if they did ... the league would know what would happen."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/11/dez-b...n-peterson-that-mans-a-monster/#ixzz3Zpz8FXwp

 

[MagicMan]

JJ jumping the gun.......don't think he would have to give up a 1st. As much as I want them to pursue AP, I never felt they would have to cave in to the Vikings demand for a 1st round pick. The Vikings just want a way to gracefully feel like they got something out of the deal and not just release AP. 2nd round pick otta do it. And even that is pretty high.

NO ONE is giving up a 1st rounder for AP AND own the current contract. The Cowboys advantage is that AP would consider lowering his salary to play in Dallas.

 

[CapnCook]

I really wish articles like this one would quit saying that Collins, Hardy and Gregory means that Dallas is all in on trying to win the super bowl.

1. Collins doesn't belong in that group at all. There was a question about him when the police were talking to him, so no team risked a pick on him. By the time Dallas did sign him, every team in the league wanted him. There is no risk there... only huge, huge upside (which is why everyone wanted him). At this point, Collins is simply a high first round pick that had bad luck and now is signed for peanuts. It is nothing but pure luck for Dallas and Jerry's salesmanship.

2. Gregory isn't much risk. He is a rookie with a ton of upside and only a second round pick as the risk. That isn't about this year any more than any other rookie. The team thinks he has special skills at a position that they both value and need help at, and would draft him at pick #60 no matter which draft it was. It wasn't about going for broke this season... it was about super value and a player they think they can keep straight. It just so happens that Dallas is a playoff contender right now... Gregory was a choice they'd always make no matter what.

3. Hardy, I can see where people would point to him as going for it this year. Still, I think Dallas would have made the move regardless of if they were contenders or not. He fit their criteria for a big free agent acquisition (Young, can finish a long contract still in his prime, plays at a position the team values and will pay for) and they want him to stay long term assuming he stays out of trouble and plays like he did in Carolina. IMO, this move is just as much about the future as any pick up this year. If they could have been assured that he won't get into more trouble and that he would be just as good as 2013, they would have gone ahead and signed him long term. They just wanted to give him a trial year before giving him the long term deal he wanted and deserves.

Collins will be a mainstay on the NFL's best OL for years to come. Gregory will be a WDE for Dallas for a long time if he stays clean, and Hardy will be an edge rusher in Dallas for the foreseeable future if he stays out of trouble.

These moves were all about the future as much as the Byron Jones or Chaz Green picks. Dallas is setting itself up for a long, long run... not just for this season. I could see it if any of these guys were 31, but they aren't. This is for the future as well as the present.

[/soapbox]

Great post.

Every time the team gives up their first round pick, they're paying for it with holes in the roster, and expensive unproductive or dead cap money with an aging vet.

The team is getting better and younger. Stay on that track.

 

[AsthmaField]

Great post.

Every time the team gives up their first round pick, they're paying for it with holes in the roster, and expensive unproductive or dead cap money with an aging vet.

The team is getting better and younger. Stay on that track.

Indeed.

Expensive, unproductive or dead cap money with an aging vet, is exactly what the team is now avoiding like the plague. It is why I haven't seen AP from the start.

I mean, I love the player and if he were 25 I think you would have seen the Cowboys trade for him... and frankly, I would have been on board with that, even for a first. However, his is an over 30 year old back who is expensive as hell, and the team simply doesn't want to spend big money on a guy who has just a couple of years left. And those couple of years are only there because he is a rare physical specimen. If he were a normal back, I'd be saying he is done now.

Two years playing well (and frankly, that is a projection even for AP) and then two more where we're paying for a back that is no longer good or even no longer on the team isn't what the team is trying to do. That is without even considering that RB is a position that the team doesn't want to spend big at... even for a young guy. They would've just signed Murray if they wanted that.

I've said all along that Dallas would take AP if he didn't cost much draft pick wise, and if he would play for way less money than he is currently making. Neither one of those are going to happen, so I just can't see the trade as being even in the realm of possibility.

 

[Galian Beast]

Indeed.

Expensive, unproductive or dead cap money with an aging vet, is exactly what the team is now avoiding like the plague. It is why I haven't seen AP from the start.

I mean, I love the player and if he were 25 I think you would have seen the Cowboys trade for him... and frankly, I would have been on board with that, even for a first. However, his is an over 30 year old back who is expensive as hell, and the team simply doesn't want to spend big money on a guy who has just a couple of years left. And those couple of years are only there because he is a rare physical specimen. If he were a normal back, I'd be saying he is done now.

Two years playing well (and frankly, that is a projection even for AP) and then two more where we're paying for a back that is no longer good or even no longer on the team isn't what the team is trying to do. That is without even considering that RB is a position that the team doesn't want to spend big at... even for a young guy. They would've just signed Murray if they wanted that.

I've said all along that Dallas would take AP if he didn't cost much draft pick wise, and if he would play for way less money than he is currently making. Neither one of those are going to happen, so I just can't see the trade as being even in the realm of possibility.

I hate it when people come up with arbitrary windows for how long a player can continue playing.

Emmitt smith played til he was 35.

Walter Payton had 1300 yards when he was 32.

Curtis Martin had 1700 yards at 31.

Jim Brown had 1500 yards at age 32.

With this offensive line, AP could definitely play longer, especially if he isn't forced to carry the full load here.

 

[gimmesix]

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...esn-t-like-cowboys-running-back-situation.ece

On questions about current Cowboys backfield:

Baldinger: "Let’s just start with Darren McFadden. I know Jerry’s always been smitten by Darren McFadden. Darren McFadden has never been able to make people miss. Ever. That’s why he’s been injured. That’s why he’s averaged less than 3 ½ yards per carry the last three years. 47 percent of his runs in 2014 went for less than three yards. 57 percent of his runs in 2013 went for less than three yards. You can say it’s all the Raiders’ fault and they just don’t have a good offensive line, and maybe that’s true, but that’s the resume that he brings. Joseph Randle, look, he’s had 105 carries in two years and he’s shown flashes of being a one-cut runner. His own coach at Oklahoma State, Mike Gundy, couldn’t figure out why he didn’t play hard every week and why he wasn’t a guy that showed up week-in, week-out at Oklahoma State. I’ve got questions about Joseph Randle if you think he’s going to be a guy, or the guy since he’s the youngest in that room. Lance Dunbar’s been in the league for three years, has yet to find the end zone. Ryan Williams has been in the league since 2011, was a high second-round pick of Arizona. He has averaged 2.6 yards a carry in four years, played in a total of five games. When Arizona needed a back desperately as the team was limping to the playoffs a year ago, Bruce Arians decided not to elevate Ryan Williams to the active roster from the practice squad. So I’ve got questions about Ryan Williams, five games in four years. That’s the running back room right now."

Man, I've become Brian Baldinger.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Great post.

Every time the team gives up their first round pick, they're paying for it with holes in the roster, and expensive unproductive or dead cap money with an aging vet.

The team is getting better and younger. Stay on that track.

Exactly.

Since I've been a Cowboys fan the Cowboys have traded away their #1 draft pick three times...

1. John Dutton
2. Joey Galloway
3. Roy Williams

And in each and every one of those cases the results didn't meet the expectations.

 

[AsthmaField]

I hate it when people come up with arbitrary windows for how long a player can continue playing.

Emmitt smith played til he was 35.

Walter Payton had 1300 yards when he was 32.

Curtis Martin had 1700 yards at 31.

Jim Brown had 1500 yards at age 32.

With this offensive line, AP could definitely play longer, especially if he isn't forced to carry the full load here.

Then that's what I said. AP is 30 but is special and so might play 1 or 2 more years.

Emmitt was done by 32... he just didn't retire then.

It isn't an arbitrary window either... nearly every back is done by 30. AP is special like Martin, Payton, etc.

So, it looks like we agree here.

 

[Galian Beast]

Then that's what I said. AP is 30 but is special and so might play 1 or 2 more years.

Emmitt was done by 32... he just didn't retire then.

It isn't an arbitrary window either... nearly every back is done by 30. AP is special like Martin, Payton, etc.

So, it looks like we agree here.

I think he could behind this line be productive for 3 or more years. He is a psychical phenom like no one has seen in this league.

 

[Galian Beast]

Exactly.

Since I've been a Cowboys fan the Cowboys have traded away their #1 draft pick three times...

1. John Dutton
2. Joey Galloway
3. Roy Williams

And in each and every one of those cases the results didn't meet the expectations.

Ill concede that it didn't work out if you concede that none of those players have been hall of famers.

What happens when we trade for Hall of Famers?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Ill concede that it didn't work out if you concede that none of those players have been hall of famers.

What happens when we trade for Hall of Famers?

*eye roll*

I'll tell you, all three of the players Dallas did trade their #1's for (at the time) were considered good to very good players.

They were all also younger than Peterson.

The other side of 30, is the other side of 30 not matter who it is.

 

[Galian Beast]

*eye roll*

I'll tell you, all three of the players Dallas did trade their #1's for (at the time) were considered good to very good players.

They were all also younger than Peterson.

The other side of 30, is the other side of 30 not matter who it is.

None of them were considered sure fire first ballot hall of famers.

Roy Williams 1 time pro bowler
Joey Galloway 0 time pro bowler

You're comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Galian Beast]

For reference, Adrian Peterson is a 6 time pro bowler out of 8 years pro. Missed the pro bowl after going down in the 12th game and again because of his suspension. Note the year he tore his ACL he was on pace for 1300 yards rushing and 16 rushing tds...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

For reference, Adrian Peterson is a 6 time pro bowler out of 8 years pro. Missed the pro bowl after going down in the 12th game and again because of his suspension. Note the year he tore his ACL he was on pace for 1300 yards rushing and 16 rushing tds...

Keep living the dream GB... LOL!

 

[Galian Beast]

Keep living the dream GB... LOL!

I'm not suggesting we will get him, my point is that he is certainly worth the draft pick, and is a hall of fame player. A top 5 player in the league, and an absolute catalyst. Behind this offensive line and with Romo, Dez, and Witten... It would be hard pressed to think this wasn't the best offense in the nfl and would be for a few years.

 

[T-RO]

I hate it when people come up with arbitrary windows for how long a player can continue playing.

Emmitt smith played til he was 35.
Walter Payton had 1300 yards when he was 32.
Curtis Martin had 1700 yards at 31.
Jim Brown had 1500 yards at age 32.
With this offensive line, AP could definitely play longer, especially if he isn't forced to carry the full load here.

It's the most non-arbitary thing in the world. Running backs virtually always watch their wheels go flying off by their early thirties. Age is no respecter of people and particularly no respecter of running backs!

--Emmitt never averaged more than 3.9 in his last four seasons. He just wasn't the same player. NOT THE SAME PLAYER.
--Walter roided
--Jim Brown retired after 9 seasons

The very players you site as the most exceptional relative to age------only prove the point!

 

[hornitosmonster]

If they trade the Boys AP the Vikings would be responsible for another Cowboys dynasty. I think Romo and AP can hold up 3-4 season and win at least 3 superbowls. That in the end is easily worth a first round pick.