News: Jerry Jones' QB plan starts with 4-5 year plan for Tony Romo

[Stash]

Any time you change regimes, the QB can be a casualty. You see it on a lot of teams that have QB issues that happen to change coaches.

New coach comes in, wants his "guy".

It happens all the time.

 

[Alexander]

At least you have the intelligence to see that. Kudos to you sir.

And that doesn't even take into consideration where this team will be drafting in those years. Unless they tank another season, they won't be anywhere close to this position again for years.

No, no. When we really need a QB, one will be there. One that meets the same "franchise" standard that people are applying now. You'll see.

 

[Stash]

No, no. When we really need a QB, one will be there. One that meets the same "franchise" standard that people are applying now. You'll see.

Because 'we're the Dallas Cowboys!', right?

 

[Alexander]

Because 'we're the Dallas Cowboys!', right?

You got it.

 

[Doomsday101]

2 or 3 years ago I would have agreed with Jerry, but now Romo is 36 and coming off injuries and I think looking at 4 to 5 more years is not reality. I think this will be a mistake that will haunt this team if they fail to address a legitimate prospect at QB to work behind Romo for the next 2 season and then take over.

 

[Miller]

The more I hear this topic discussed on the radio, the harder it is for me to take the next few years seriously. There was a good piece on the Ticket this morning about when top QBs retire. It is uncanny how many historically great QBs all hung it up at age 38. That gives Tony...if lucky..2-3 years. The ones who go beyond are the outliers.

Yesterday I was on the fence and thought.."taking D isn't bad if we get a Ramsey." But in all honesty, if we have the top 2 QBs rated as potential franchise...we have to go there. If not, we are a couple more big hits from the dark ages of Quincy, Chutch, etc while we spin out aging vets. JMO

 

[LittleD]

The more I hear this topic discussed on the radio, the harder it is for me to take the next few years seriously. There was a good piece on the Ticket this morning about when top QBs retire. It is uncanny how many historically great QBs all hung it up at age 38. That gives Tony...if lucky..2-3 years. The ones who go beyond are the outliers.

Yesterday I was on the fence and thought.."taking D isn't bad if we get a Ramsey." But in all honesty, if we have the top 2 QBs rated as potential franchise...we have to go there. If not, we are a couple more big hits from the dark ages of Quincy, Chutch, etc while we spin out aging vets. JMO

Stick with the D as I think that is what Jerry is going to do. Most rating agencies have Goff and Wentz rated down between the 10th and 15th rated players in the draft. Both of them are rated lower that Mariotta, Bortles, & Bridgewater from last year. Both of us know that these QB's will
be selected higher because it's a QB league and some teams will drink sand in a desert if it even looks like water. The Cowboys should play
out the scenario for this year and next just to see if they can crash the dance. McCoy is looking like he might sign up to be an experienced
backup for Tony too.

 

[CCBoy]

Stick with the D as I think that is what Jerry is going to do. Most rating agencies have Goff and Wentz rated down between the 10th and 15th rated players in the draft. Both of them are rated lower that Mariotta, Bortles, & Bridgewater from last year. Both of us know that these QB's will
be selected higher because it's a QB league and some teams will drink sand in a desert if it even looks like water. The Cowboys should play
out the scenario for this year and next just to see if they can crash the dance. McCoy is looking like he might sign up to be an experienced
backup for Tony too.

This is developing to be an interesting off season. With under 10 days before free agency kicks off...something will change.

It may be splash, it may not be...but we can count on further changes. But I'm a fan, so, let's get it on...

 

[Doomsday101]

Stick with the D as I think that is what Jerry is going to do. Most rating agencies have Goff and Wentz rated down between the 10th and 15th rated players in the draft. Both of them are rated lower that Mariotta, Bortles, & Bridgewater from last year. Both of us know that these QB's will
be selected higher because it's a QB league and some teams will drink sand in a desert if it even looks like water. The Cowboys should play
out the scenario for this year and next just to see if they can crash the dance. McCoy is looking like he might sign up to be an experienced
backup for Tony too.

I would not do that. You are right because they are QB they will go before maybe they should but it is hard to find quality QB. Dallas has a chance to get one of the top 2 QB and I think they should jump on it now not wait until Romo is out of the league and we are scrambling for a QB like we have before. It was a big mistaken then it will be a big mistake now.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I would not do that. You are right because they are QB they will go before maybe they should but it is hard to find quality QB. Dallas has a chance to get one of the top 2 QB and I think they should jump on it now not wait until Romo is out of the league and we are scrambling for a QB like we have before. It was a big mistaken then it will be a big mistake now.

I agree. I mean, if you believe that Tony is going to play another 4 or 5 years (which BTW is interesting since Tony and Jerry talked about 4 or 5 years last year, shouldn't it now be down to 3 or 4 years even if optimistic) then it doesn't make sense to draft a guy who will be up on his rookie contract at just about the time he will need to become the starter. If you believe that. However, if you are wrong and there are no shortage of people close to the sport who believe that 4 or 5 years is dead wrong, then you are faced with a situation where you are going to need to sink to the bottom before you have a chance to draft in the top 5 again. We went 4 and 12 and we are picking 4th. 4 and 12 is bad, real bad, and we are still only at 4. I just think it's foolish to pass on a QB if there is one there that you like. Yeah, you might miss but it's better then not trying at all. We all know this is a QB driven league. If you don't have one, you aren't going to win.

I'll take that even a step further. Lets say you do go another way and draft a different position. In reality, unless you are drafting a RB a 4, you are probably not drafting a player who is really going to be an impact guy for you for maybe three years. Even if Tony has 4 or 5 years, which is a real stretch, your window is like a year or two with that guy and then you are back at trying to figure out how you are going to get a QB. I watch teams try to develop a QB and I am convinced that it is easier to do if you bring a guy in and let him sit and learn, rather then throw him in there and make him play with a crappy team around him. Do the math, what is this team's talent level going to look like in 5 years? Which good FAs are going to stay with the Cowboys when we don't have a decent QB or when our team is not good? We wasted Witten and Tony and Ware and a few other's careers. We gonna do the same with Dez and Smith and all the other good young players we have now?

This has to be a smoke screen. Has to be.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Stick with the D as I think that is what Jerry is going to do. Most rating agencies have Goff and Wentz rated down between the 10th and 15th rated players in the draft. Both of them are rated lower that Mariotta, Bortles, & Bridgewater from last year. Both of us know that these QB's will
be selected higher because it's a QB league and some teams will drink sand in a desert if it even looks like water. The Cowboys should play
out the scenario for this year and next just to see if they can crash the dance. McCoy is looking like he might sign up to be an experienced
backup for Tony too.

Ourlads has Wentz at #6 and Goff at #10.
http://www.ourlads.com/top-32-college-senior-prospects/nfl-draft/2016/2827777/

 

[Miller]

Stick with the D as I think that is what Jerry is going to do. Most rating agencies have Goff and Wentz rated down between the 10th and 15th rated players in the draft. Both of them are rated lower that Mariotta, Bortles, & Bridgewater from last year. Both of us know that these QB's will
be selected higher because it's a QB league and some teams will drink sand in a desert if it even looks like water. The Cowboys should play
out the scenario for this year and next just to see if they can crash the dance. McCoy is looking like he might sign up to be an experienced
backup for Tony too.

I get what you are saying but I've actually seen Wentz's grading going up. All I'm saying is that historically, if you want a QB in the draft, a majority that make it and start are taken in the top of the 1st. Not to say there aren't busts or reaches but that is when they are taken if successful, sans some outliers. If our scouts have them rated as potential franchise guys, then I think you have to go there and let him get 2 years of what is left of Romo as a teacher. Honestly I trust Romo to help the kid more than JG/Wilson. If not then you are stuck for a few years playing roulette with FAs and guys you hope hit in the mid to late 1st or later. I get what you are saying...take a Ramsey that might have a Patrick Peterson impact but that does nothing for the transition down the road.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Honestly I trust Romo to help the kid more than JG/Wilson.

He'll have to , he's the only one who knows what Offense we are running.

;-)

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree. I mean, if you believe that Tony is going to play another 4 or 5 years (which BTW is interesting since Tony and Jerry talked about 4 or 5 years last year, shouldn't it now be down to 3 or 4 years even if optimistic) then it doesn't make sense to draft a guy who will be up on his rookie contract at just about the time he will need to become the starter. If you believe that. However, if you are wrong and there are no shortage of people close to the sport who believe that 4 or 5 years is dead wrong, then you are faced with a situation where you are going to need to sink to the bottom before you have a chance to draft in the top 5 again. We went 4 and 12 and we are picking 4th. 4 and 12 is bad, real bad, and we are still only at 4. I just think it's foolish to pass on a QB if there is one there that you like. Yeah, you might miss but it's better then not trying at all. We all know this is a QB driven league. If you don't have one, you aren't going to win.

I'll take that even a step further. Lets say you do go another way and draft a different position. In reality, unless you are drafting a RB a 4, you are probably not drafting a player who is really going to be an impact guy for you for maybe three years. Even if Tony has 4 or 5 years, which is a real stretch, your window is like a year or two with that guy and then you are back at trying to figure out how you are going to get a QB. I watch teams try to develop a QB and I am convinced that it is easier to do if you bring a guy in and let him sit and learn, rather then throw him in there and make him play with a crappy team around him. Do the math, what is this team's talent level going to look like in 5 years? Which good FAs are going to stay with the Cowboys when we don't have a decent QB or when our team is not good? We wasted Witten and Tony and Ware and a few other's careers. We gonna do the same with Dez and Smith and all the other good young players we have now?

This has to be a smoke screen. Has to be.

I agree and fact is I think we are better than a 4 and 12 team. Last year was a disaster no question about it but I think this current team has the talent to compete now. I also think we are in a position to take a QB for the future of this franchise. I think between FA and the remainder of the draft the Cowboys can fill some needed holes and compete this season

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree and fact is I think we are better than a 4 and 12 team. Last year was a disaster no question about it but I think this current team has the talent to compete now. I also think we are in a position to take a QB for the future of this franchise. I think between FA and the remainder of the draft the Cowboys can fill some needed holes and compete this season

I agree. I am not a fan of FA but with this team, in the situation we are currently in, I think the major needs should be addressed by FA. I feel, as you, that we are not a 4-12 team. I think we are better then that but we could easily be a 4-12 team if we don't get a few things addressed. Obviously, QB is a problem. We need a decent backup that fits the offense. We don't need a backup that is a square peg in a round hole. I think we saw that last year with our backup situation. I think all of the QBs we had last year were decent if they were playing in the right Offense. I think Moore came closest and maybe he can be that guy with another year in the offense but I don't know. That's the backup but we need to plan for 3 years down the line right now. Honestly, I don't think we are going to see another top 5 pick for a while if we can get the Romo situation dealt with.

I think we need a RB but that guy doesn't have to be a 1st round pick. He can come later in the draft. I think we need a quality RT but that guy needs to be an FA IMO. We don't need a rookie OL manning that spot. We have guys on the roster we are trying to develop now. Bring in an FA and develop one of those guys. We need a #2 WR and a guy who can get deep but that guy isn't somebody you will draft and be #2 day one. That guy needs to be an FA with experience. We need a FS, now this guy could be a Rookie but I doubt it. Same deal with LB and DT and DE. If we bring somebody in, that guy needs to be experienced and produce now because we have a limited window with Tony. Use this draft to take talent that is going to develop. Use FA to maximize the Window we have left with Tony.

JMO

 

[LittleD]

Ourlads has Wentz at #6 and Goff at #10.
http://www.ourlads.com/top-32-college-senior-prospects/nfl-draft/2016/2827777/

WalterFootball has Wentz @8 and Goff @12.
DraftCountdown has Wentz @7 and Goff @13
CBS Sports (Dane Brugler) has Wentz @11 and Goff @10

Neither of them beat Mariotta or Bortles from last year.

 

[LittleD]

I get what you are saying but I've actually seen Wentz's grading going up. All I'm saying is that historically, if you want a QB in the draft, a majority that make it and start are taken in the top of the 1st. Not to say there aren't busts or reaches but that is when they are taken if successful, sans some outliers. If our scouts have them rated as potential franchise guys, then I think you have to go there and let him get 2 years of what is left of Romo as a teacher. Honestly I trust Romo to help the kid more than JG/Wilson. If not then you are stuck for a few years playing roulette with FAs and guys you hope hit in the mid to late 1st or later. I get what you are saying...take a Ramsey that might have a Patrick Peterson impact but that does nothing for the transition down the road.

I watched Wentz close in his title game and again at the Senior Bowl. He is not Luck and I don't think he has the field presence of
Mariotta from last year. I would not invest a #4 in him when you need Ramsey or Bosa in the defense. I could also make a case
for Buckner or Jack over Wentz.

 

[Frozen700]

4-5 year plan with Romo?

Yeah, we are doomed

 

[Sydla]

I know he's old. I know he's made some dumb mistakes before. I know he's said some idiotic things. I know he's often meddled where he shouldn't. I know he's probably worrying that he might not win another SB in his lifetime. I know he's loyal to an absurd fault.

But I simply can't believe that Jerry is dumb enough to think that a 36 year old QB with a history of serious back issues and now multiple collar bone breaks is going to be able to play QB, at a very high level, for 4-5 more years.

That absolutely has to be just one of Jerry's smokescreens. Because if he truly believes they have 4-5 years of great and healthy play from Romo, he's one of the dumbest owners in the history of the NFL.

Then again, apparently he believes Jason Garrett is a Super Bowl level head coach even after 5 years of mediocrity.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

WalterFootball has Wentz @8 and Goff @12.
DraftCountdown has Wentz @7 and Goff @13
CBS Sports (Dane Brugler) has Wentz @11 and Goff @10

Neither of them beat Mariotta or Bortles from last year.

So what if neither of them beat Mariotta or Bortles from last year. I'll take Ourlads opinion on them over yours.