Jerry Jones says Cowboys will NOT draft QB with no. 4 pick *Super Hot Pants Mega Merge*

[TwoCentPlain]

You have no ideal how teams have these QBs rated. They don't make this info public. You have read a few articles snd know how some of the draft sites feel though.

Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man. Congratulations Sherlock, you busted me for giving my opinion at a site where opinions are rampant.

So, you see a few mock drafts with Goff at number two to Cleveland and automatically think franchise QB. You and everyone else here have basically just read some articles, saw some highlight clips, maybe a few games, and looked at a ton of mocks and then formed ... drum roll ...(are you sitting down?) ... an opinion.

 

[Stash]

Yeah, he can "do it all", despite the fact that he hasn't.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/myles-jack-1.html

For all of his boundless athleticism Jack has 4 INT's, 1 sack, and one forced fumble in 29 games.

Myles Jack Solo Tackle Production vs NFL Linebackers

PlayerCollegiate Percentile Rank
Luke Kuechly99.89
Ray Lewis98.99
Patrick Willis98.39
Lavonte David97.99
Bobby Wagner93.69
NaVorro Bowman90.39
Derrick Johnson81.08
Myles Jack64.76
Ernie Sims62.16
Geno Hayes61.56

Every thing about this guy is a "projection", even down to where to actually play him. His own head coach questions his decision to run to the pros.

Add to that a guy coming off of a serious injury, who played all of three games this past year, and he is the last player I want to see the Cowboys use the #4 overall pick on.

And you have fun trying to resuscitate what the guy has actually done so that it compares with what quality linebackers actually do!

 

[Stash]

Sure, but give me time. I'm still e-mailing all those who thought Ryan Leaf was a franchise QB.

You mean somebody missed in one? Well, that settles it then, let's never draft one so that can't happen to us!

Thanks for the chuckle above: "[traits] of a franchise QB" and then followed in the next sentence with ..."he displays the tools to become a good starting quarterback with time."

And that's somehow a bad thing now? Maybe you missed the news that guys like Bradford and Cousins are being paid $18-$19 million dollars for simply being starting quarterbacks?

 

[Stash]

The Aaron Rodgers situation along with Tom Brady being a 6th round pick and Russell Wilson being a 3rd round pick shows how unpredictable drafting a QB is. When QBs start rising and falling as the draft approaches that points to something being wrong with the grading process. If you spend too much time focusing on pre draft workouts and not game tape you're likely going to end up with a QB who's going to set your franchise back. Alex Smith's stock started edging out Rodgers in the days leading up to the draft because the experts overanalyze them like they do all the top players. They beat the draft to death poking and prodding these players looking for every way possible to raise and lower their stock so they can have fun with their mock drafts. Mayock will probably have Goff back as his #1 QB by April when they start having their pro days. No one knows how college QBs are going to develop at the NFL level it's a big jump that most good college QBs can't make. More fail at the NFL level than succeed so your odds on landing a "solid" starting NFL QB is less than 50/50....FACT!

You're done with me because you can't refute a single thing I've said it's all based on facts. Every time you attempt to debate me I have you running for the hills. lol You're the one who should feel embarrassed initiating discussions that cause you to become frustrated and leave because you don't have a twig to stand on. You started this debate and you got shot down! Try bringing some real ammo to these discussions instead of a roll of caps that do nothing but produce smoke. You're not going to win a championship with a "serviceable" QB in this day and age unless you have a GREAT defense, great coaching and a very solid team around that QB that allows them to manage games. If you end up with nothing more than a "serviceable" QB at #4 overall you've FAILED and will once again be looking for a franchise QB in the top 10. The Cowboys wouldn't win 5 games with a "serviceable" QB because they're too QB dependent due to having such an average defense that can't force turnovers or rush the passer.

We can go through it item by item if you really want to be embarrassed. You just let me know.

We'll even do a poll so you can see just how badly you're doing.

 

[Rogerthat12]

If Marinelli has seriously changed our defense to we-fense that might allow us to look to more offensive players in the draft.

I should start a thread about this in the Fan Zone.

This new WE-Fense will be centered upon the play of Kellen Moore...

 

[Rogerthat12]

Yeah, he can "do it all", despite the fact that he hasn't.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/myles-jack-1.html

For all of his boundless athleticism Jack has 4 INT's, 1 sack, and one forced fumble in 29 games.

Myles Jack Solo Tackle Production vs NFL Linebackers

PlayerCollegiate Percentile Rank
Luke Kuechly99.89
Ray Lewis98.99
Patrick Willis98.39
Lavonte David97.99
Bobby Wagner93.69
NaVorro Bowman90.39
Derrick Johnson81.08
Myles Jack64.76
Ernie Sims62.16
Geno Hayes61.56

Every thing about this guy is a "projection", even down to where to actually play him. His own head coach questions his decision to run to the pros.

Add to that a guy coming off of a serious injury, who played all of three games this past year, and he is the last player I want to see the Cowboys use the #4 overall pick on.

And you have fun trying to resuscitate what the guy has actually done so that it compares with what quality linebackers actually do!

Questions of picking Jack at #4 is a different argument, I personally want a QB at #4 but will not stand by when misinformation on a player is being reiterated by posters who have not even spent the time on a given prospect.

You claimed Jack has NEVER played the Mike, the game tape proved you wrong.

All of your claims have been proven wrong based on the game tape.

Jack has elite athleticism and versatility, this is a strength and he has actually played all of the positions in college.

With projection, most people project him at the Will but he is versatile and flexible enough to play them all, including safety and nickel corner in sub packages in college, he is that good in space.

Jack was also a two way player on both offense and defense.

Your evaluations are based on your opinion not on the players actual game tape which is the fundamental issue.

Everything else is your preference and opinion which is fine as it relates to value.

 

[Beast_from_East]

On the Tony Romo ledge is this:

2. An Equipped and Angered Offensive Line
Despite all the polls and accolades the offensive line received in 2015, there’s an inking the squad left a little meat on the bone.

That is about to change in 2016.

With four of the five lineman graded in as first round talents, the super team is coming in one year more experienced and strengthened.

Offensive guard La’el Collins is coming off a rookie year where he had some splashes.

Collins also figures to head into 2016 as the unquestioned starter.

La'El Collins can move a little bit. Shades of Larry Allen's most famous play. pic.twitter.com/dbmaXQRqL6

— Or Moyal (@OrMoyal) December 13, 2015



The offensive line makes everyone better.

This includes the running back.

It especially means the quarterback, too.

Not only will the strong line engineer more time in the backfield for Romo to dissect and manipulate defenses, the fab five will keep him upright and healthy as the 16-game season wears on.


http://thelandryhat.com/2016/03/01/revenge-tony-romo-3-reasons-2016-year/3/

Didn't Romo get hurt on a scramble against the Eagles?.......the pic clearly show HE WAS OUTSIDE THE POCKET

The offensive line being pissed or motivated has jack to do with a QB getting hurt on a scramble play.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Didn't Romo get hurt on a scramble against the Eagles?.......the pic clearly show HE WAS OUTSIDE THE POCKET

The offensive line being pissed or motivated has jack to do with a QB getting hurt on a scramble play.

Yeah, the offensive line actually pass blocked pretty well this pass season.

 

[CCBoy]

Didn't Romo get hurt on a scramble against the Eagles?.......the pic clearly show HE WAS OUTSIDE THE POCKET

The offensive line being pissed or motivated has jack to do with a QB getting hurt on a scramble play.

Oh, not so fast...why did he scramble to start?

 

[CCBoy]

Yeah, the offensive line actually pass blocked pretty well this pass season.

But were blitzed right up the middle way too much for a top shelf unit. It takes time to grow together there, but they did have some leaks.

 

[endersdragon]

If you have arron rodgers backing up tom brady, you should still never rule out drafting a qb. Youre throwing away the opportunity to get the skins to trade up for rg3

Or you are getting them to not want to trade up to 3.

 

[Plankton]

Yes, but you're pointing to exceptions. Brady and Romo's are rare in this league, bellcow backs outside of the first or even second? Not rare. It's really not the same.

Franchise QBs, as a whole, are rare in the NFL. QB is the hardest position to find. If you have a chance to get one, and there are a couple of players who have the ability to be that, then you have to take a shot at it. Having Romo on the roster serves as a benefit in two regards - it gives players who need development (Wentz and Goff are not day one starters) time to learn behind one of the best in the league, and with his relative age and physical health, their time on the bench won't be that long.

I think that both of those guys have the potential to be franchise guys, but they are not ready to play day one. They both need seasoning.

 

[Beast_from_East]

If Jerry passes on Wentz or Goff and they turn into probowl QBs...........the fans are never going to let that go.

Just saying.

 

[punchnjudy]

So...technically if Dallas trades up and selects Wentz ahead of Cleveland, then Jerry's quote to Gil would still be true. Just saying.

 

[NeonNinja]

Questions of picking Jack at #4 is a different argument, I personally want a QB at #4 but will not stand by when misinformation on a player is being reiterated by posters who have not even spent the time on a given prospect.

You claimed Jack has NEVER played the Mike, the game tape proved you wrong.

All of your claims have been proven wrong based on the game tape.

Jack has elite athleticism and versatility, this is a strength and he has actually played all of the positions in college.

With projection, most people project him at the Will but he is versatile and flexible enough to play them all, including safety and nickel corner in sub packages in college, he is that good in space.

Jack was also a two way player on both offense and defense.

Your evaluations are based on your opinion not on the players actual game tape which is the fundamental issue.

Everything else is your preference and opinion which is fine as it relates to value.

I just noticed Louis Riddick and Norris talking about how special they think Jack is. I like Jack and wouldn't mind him. I want QB the most but Jack is going to be good, IMO.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

We aren't taking Myles Jack we are concerned about that knee . Bosa , ramsey , Buckner or Elliot .

 

[mattjames2010]

This is even better film on Jack. Watch him covering the slot and rushing from the edge. In terms of linebackers, he has elite coverage potential.

Better familiarize yourself with Ramsey, Jacks, and Bosa because one of these guys will be with the Cowboys unless something shakes up draft boards.

 

[Rogerthat12]

We aren't taking Myles Jack we are concerned about that knee . Bosa , ramsey , Buckner or Elliot .

Link?

 

[mattjames2010]

We aren't taking Myles Jack we are concerned about that knee . Bosa , ramsey , Buckner or Elliot .

I'm sure every team in the top 10 is "concerned about that knee" in some way. He's still a top 5-10 prospect, it hasn't changed.

 

[Stash]

Questions of picking Jack at #4 is a different argument, I personally want a QB at #4 but will not stand by when misinformation on a player is being reiterated by posters who have not even spent the time on a given prospect.

You claimed Jack has NEVER played the Mike, the game tape proved you wrong.

Really? How many games did Jack start and play at middle linebacker? Because you show a few plays on tape, it's "proof" that he can do it? Everything about this guy outside of his athleticism is speculation and projection. What are we arguing about here? That I said that he absolutely never played there? Fine he played there. Or that you feel that 3 games qualifies as proof? I think we know that's not the case either.

All of your claims have been proven wrong based on the game tape.

Except for those pesky pedestrian production statistics. Not all of the tape you can watch can inflate the, over what they truly are.

Jack has elite athleticism and versatility, this is a strength

Never in question. There's no disputing that he's a great athlete. But that doesn't make for a great player.

and he has actually played all of the positions in college.

]Your evaluations are based on your opinion not on the players actual game tape which is the fundamental issue.

Everything else is your preference and opinion which is fine as it relates to value.

And your evaluations are based on some nice plays on some game tape, rather than overall numbers that don't show the productivity one would expect from such a player.

I'm not saying the guy can't play, he's obviously a great athlete with a lot of ability and potential. What I am saying is that I don't want to see the team using the #4 overall pick on him. And based on your initial comment above, we actually agree on that so I see little point in continuing to argue over other, smaller details.