Jerry Jones says we can get away with lesser talent on OL

[Risen Star]

Hey, I want a consistent winner myself.

But I'm also resigned to the fact that Jerry ain't stepping down so the franchise is going to have to find a way to work around/through that obstacle. In the mean time I'm not going to waste a lot of posts continually beating up the past– but there have been some successful seasons over the past 15 years.

The only success we've had has been because of Bill Parcells and those years where Jerry stepped back. We were a train wreck before that. We may be heading back there once Romo is gone if we don't see some change.

Even with that, we've been among the least successful teams over nearly the last two decades. That has to be unacceptable to any Cowboys fan and to read a quote like this from the guy responsible for it is like rubbing salt into the wound.

 

[yimyammer]

Yes, it could be a smoke screen, sure. Doesn't change what kind of man he is.

Drunken womanizer with a massive ego who's been nothing but a constant embarrassment to his this franchise, city, and probably most of his family.

And no, he couldn't buy me 40 times.

wow, you're net worth is over $50 million? congrats!

 

[yimyammer]

Saw this on another website. The difference between the Cowboys LT and RT.

Yeah but look how big that fish is:

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[Frozen700]

I guess I missed the "good" seasons in the past 15 years.

Utter failure no. Utter mediocrity yes.

Hey if you want this franchise considered with the likes of the bengals, browns, rams etc. as you seem want to do throughout this thread then keep on making a fool out of yourself defending a guy who admits he would have fired himself for his lack of success had he not been his own boss. You and your few supporters look absolutely ridiculous with you defense of the way he has run the team.

I don't see where he said anything like this??

As much as I want to win every season, just because we lose in the playoffs, or end of a season game, does not mean I will just magically forget the fun I had watching the team during the season, and say they sucked.

Yup I'm sure Pats fans said they hated the whole season the year they went to the SB with Randy Moss Perfect season, just because they lost in the SB.

They may have hated the last lost, but they damn sure enjoyed that season.

Just like many of us, who are not brain dead, and just love to cry...loved the season we went to round 2 in the playoffs vs the Vikings...or in 06 when Romo took over

 

[Deep_Freeze]

FootballOutsiders.com have stats that account for 'garbage time' scoring and 'red zone scoring.' And we still ranked 11th in offensive efficiency.

We were 23rd in defensive efficiency. In particular, 25th in passing defensive efficiency. We were dead last in defending TE's and only had 7 INT's.

We simply cannot progress as a team if the pass defense cannot stop a nose bleed and cannot get the ball back. We could have the greatest O-Line in the NFL and it will still be a problem. See the Chiefs during the Vermeil era. Awesome O-Line, awesome offense, couldn't stop anybody on defense and it killed them in the end.

YR

Unfortunately this is a post that alot of people here will avoid with the plague cause it goes against their entire agenda. You got no comeback, no replies, nothing.

Our safeties are absolutely terrible, there is noway around it. Sensy has been dreadful for the last 2 years and now he's 30, yet some want him starting for some crazy reason while the age of our DL is harped on when we have an old DB starting. Rather have an old DL than an old DB. Yet we have 'more important' problems than the last line of our defense, yeah right.

But when they basically say it is a big priority, wow Jerry must be an idiot, right?? We have invested alot in Romo and he needs support from his OL.....well guess what we have also invested alot in our CBs and they need support also. Right now, they have none at all, and that has to change immediately for us to be able to hold onto lead for a change.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The only success we've had has been because of Bill Parcells and those years where Jerry stepped back. We were a train wreck before that. We may be heading back there once Romo is gone if we don't see some change.

Even with that, we've been among the least successful teams over nearly the last two decades. That has to be unacceptable to any Cowboys fan and to read a quote like this from the guy responsible for it is like rubbing salt into the wound.

Blah blah blah.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/01/07/nfl-standings-for-the-decade-colts-patriots-are-the-best-lion/

We are certainly mediocre but W-L we are hardly amongst the worst.

Now why don't you regale us about how only the lines especially interior lines matter and perimeter, skill, and secondary players don't matter.

 

[mldardy]

The only success we've had has been because of Bill Parcells and those years where Jerry stepped back. We were a train wreck before that. We may be heading back there once Romo is gone if we don't see some change.

Even with that, we've been among the least successful teams over nearly the last two decades. That has to be unacceptable to any Cowboys fan and to read a quote like this from the guy responsible for it is like rubbing salt into the wound.

:bang2:Another person over praising Parcells. We had success once Parcells left and none while he was here and No I don't care about what he did with Quincy Carter in 03. We still didn't win a division title or playoff game with Parcells. He didn't accomplish anything while here as far as I'm concerned and made some poor personnel decisions: draft, free agency, etc while he was here.

 

[Idgit]

:bang2:Another person over praising Parcells. We had success once Parcells left and none while he was here and No I don't care about what he did with Quincy Carter in 03. We still didn't win a division title or playoff game with Parcells. He didn't accomplish anything while here as far as I'm concerned and made some poor personnel decisions: draft, free agency, etc while he was here.

You are what your record says you are, unless it involves Bill Parcels. Then your 34-32 with no playoff victories becomes the stuff of legends.

 

[DallasJ7]

You are what your record says you are, unless it involves Bill Parcels. Then your 34-32 with no playoff victories becomes the stuff of legends.

I guess I can't speak for everyone, but I imagine most of us who have great appreciation for Parcells' stint here don't have it based on his job strictly as a HC, although you really got to give him solid credit for '03. Overall, his time as a HC was up, and that's too bad.

The deep praise comes for taking over a complete garbage franchise and leaving us with a core of players with the ability to compete deep into the playoffs. Even with mediocre coaching (not to mention a screwed up coaching hierarchy) and a very poor job by our GM, the team won two NFCE titles in three years.

It makes me sad to imagine what we could've accomplished in the playoffs in '07-'09 (maybe even beyond?) with even just a decent GM instead of Jerry to further develop our talent, and a good HC given the power to pick his staff.

 

[CliffnDallas]

They put dogs to sleep for less.

 

[Nightman]

I don't see the team making the major OL changes some are clamoring for. I think we go with Smith-Livings-Costa-Bern-Parnell as the fall back plan. If someone can talk JJ into drafting an OL in the 1st it has to be if Cooper or Warmack fall to 18. They probably sign a OT in FA if they release Free, but not a top guy. Leary, Kowalski and Free/FA provide the depth.

I'm not saying this is the best plan, but the most probable one.

 

[Ratmatt]

His comments shouldn't surprise anyone.

 

[Idgit]

I guess I can't speak for everyone, but I imagine most of us who have great appreciation for Parcells' stint here don't have it based on his job strictly as a HC, although you really got to give him solid credit for '03. Overall, his time as a HC was up, and that's too bad.

The deep praise comes for taking over a complete garbage franchise and leaving us with a core of players with the ability to compete deep into the playoffs. Even with mediocre coaching (not to mention a screwed up coaching hierarchy) and a very poor job by our GM, the team won two NFCE titles in three years.

It makes me sad to imagine what we could've accomplished in the playoffs in '07-'09 (maybe even beyond?) with even just a decent GM instead of Jerry to further develop our talent, and a good HC given the power to pick his staff.

Don't get me wrong: I'm a fan of what Parcels did in Dallas. I didn't want him here, because he's a Giants coach, but I like him, think he's great for the NFL, and I appreciate his contributions here.

I just also see the double standard when it comes to what he did here and what our current coach is doing. If it's the record that counts, then it should be the record that counts. If we're talking instead about rebuilding the organization and replenishing the roster, then that should count for any coach trying to accomplish the same under difficult circumstances.

 

[burmafrd]

Don't get me wrong: I'm a fan of what Parcels did in Dallas. I didn't want him here, because he's a Giants coach, but I like him, think he's great for the NFL, and I appreciate his contributions here.

I just also see the double standard when it comes to what he did here and what our current coach is doing. If it's the record that counts, then it should be the record that counts. If we're talking instead about rebuilding the organization and replenishing the roster, then that should count for any coach trying to accomplish the same under difficult circumstances.

Lets see:

BP had Q
REd Ball has Romo

BP had Hambone
Red Ball has Murray

BP had what for WRs- oh year tin head Bryant and castoffs



On the O line the Hotel and a declining LA.
Maybe the only place that you could argue that he had it better then Red Ball coming in

He took that team to 10-6 and the playoffs. What has Red Ball done with MORE talent?

By the time he left he left a team that went 13-3 the next year.

 

[TheSport78]

Lets see:

BP had Q
REd Ball has Romo

BP had Hambone
Red Ball has Murray

BP had what for WRs- oh year tin head Bryant and castoffs



On the O line the Hotel and a declining LA.
Maybe the only place that you could argue that he had it better then Red Ball coming in

He took that team to 10-6 and the playoffs. What has Red Ball done with MORE talent?

By the time he left he left a team that went 13-3 the next year.

Well said.

I really believe in 2007 we would've at least played in the SB if Parcells had stayed on as head coach. I know it's a huge hypothetical but you have to believe he would've formulated a better game plan against the Giants.

As a fan, 2003 was a fun season to watch because it felt like we were the underdog every single weekend, and rightfully so. It's a miracle that the 03' team won 10 games.

 

[CoCo]

I guess I can't speak for everyone, but I imagine most of us who have great appreciation for Parcells' stint here don't have it based on his job strictly as a HC, although you really got to give him solid credit for '03. Overall, his time as a HC was up, and that's too bad.

The deep praise comes for taking over a complete garbage franchise and leaving us with a core of players with the ability to compete deep into the playoffs. Even with mediocre coaching (not to mention a screwed up coaching hierarchy) and a very poor job by our GM, the team won two NFCE titles in three years.

It makes me sad to imagine what we could've accomplished in the playoffs in '07-'09 (maybe even beyond?) with even just a decent GM instead of Jerry to further develop our talent, and a good HC given the power to pick his staff.

2003 - Newman, Witten, James
2004 - Julius Jones & Crayton
2005 - Ware, Spears, Burnett, Barber, Canty, Ratliff
2006 - Carpenter, Fasano, Hatcher
UDFA's - Romo & Austin

A very nice but not overwhelming collection of talent assembled during the Parcells years. But all credible reports are that those years were like all other recent years in the approach used to pick the talent - scouting group, HC & GM. Is Parcells clearly a better talent evaluator than Wade or Garrett? That isn't obvious to me.

Like everyone else I appreciate the 2003 season's accomplishment. And the 3 Campo years provide a stark contrast of comparison. But I'm not sure Parcells impact on this franchise is as great as its made out to be by some.

 

[CoCo]

Well said.

I really believe in 2007 we would've at least played in the SB if Parcells had stayed on as head coach. I know it's a huge hypothetical but you have to believe he would've formulated a better game plan against the Giants.

As a fan, 2003 was a fun season to watch because it felt like we were the underdog every single weekend, and rightfully so. It's a miracle that the 03' team won 10 games.

Why would you believe that Parcells would get us to the SB in 2007 when we lost in Seattle in 2006 in a game many feel Parcells lack of aggressive game plan vs their patchwork secondary was a primary culprit?

Yes, 2003 was an overachievement Parcells deserves credit for. But 2004-2006 were not overachieving years. For three consecutive years it did not look like Parcells was coaching us beyond our talent. And when Wade took over the team suddenly exploded to 13-3.

The team emerged when Romo took over at QB. It's Payton that found him for the franchise.

I appreciate that Parcells clearly moved the team forward. I just don't think its as stark as many suggest.

 

[junk]

Don't get me wrong: I'm a fan of what Parcels did in Dallas. I didn't want him here, because he's a Giants coach, but I like him, think he's great for the NFL, and I appreciate his contributions here.

I just also see the double standard when it comes to what he did here and what our current coach is doing. If it's the record that counts, then it should be the record that counts. If we're talking instead about rebuilding the organization and replenishing the roster, then that should count for any coach trying to accomplish the same under difficult circumstances.

No double standard. Parcells started with less talent.

Lets see:

BP had Q
REd Ball has Romo

BP had Hambone
Red Ball has Murray

BP had what for WRs- oh year tin head Bryant and castoffs



On the O line the Hotel and a declining LA.
Maybe the only place that you could argue that he had it better then Red Ball coming in

He took that team to 10-6 and the playoffs. What has Red Ball done with MORE talent?

By the time he left he left a team that went 13-3 the next year.

Bingo.

 

[TheSport78]

Why would you believe that Parcells would get us to the SB in 2007 when we lost in Seattle in 2006 in a game many feel Parcells lack of aggressive game plan vs their patchwork secondary was a primary culprit?

Yes, 2003 was an overachievement Parcells deserves credit for. But 2004-2006 were not overachieving years. For three consecutive years it did not look like Parcells was coaching us beyond our talent. And when Wade took over the team suddenly exploded to 13-3.

The team emerged when Romo took over at QB. It's Payton that found him for the franchise.

I appreciate that Parcells clearly moved the team forward. I just don't think its as stark as many suggest.

A full offseason with Romo as the solidified starter would've been good enough for me.

04, 05 and the 1st half of 06' were extremely frustrating, but we didn't have a quarterback. Everything changes when you have a QB you're confident in.

Parcells wouldn't have neglected the OL like Jerry and Co. have the past 5 years or so.

What's the first thing Parcells did when he was hired? He signed Flozell to a long-term deal because he recognizes the importance of a great offensive line. Jerry, Garrett and others apparently don't!

 

[Fletch]

You are what your record says you are, unless it involves Bill Parcels. Then your 34-32 with no playoff victories becomes the stuff of legends.

:laugh1:

So true. But try telling that to the peanut gallery.