Jerry Jones says we can get away with lesser talent on OL

[visionary]

Don't get me wrong: I'm a fan of what Parcels did in Dallas. I didn't want him here, because he's a Giants coach, but I like him, think he's great for the NFL, and I appreciate his contributions here.

I just also see the double standard when it comes to what he did here and what our current coach is doing. If it's the record that counts, then it should be the record that counts. If we're talking instead about rebuilding the organization and replenishing the roster, then that should count for any coach trying to accomplish the same under difficult circumstances.

excusing current mediocrity by pointing to past failures is disingenuous at best and pathetic at worst (but not surprising from the usual suspects)

 

[bgolf90]

I almost just want to see Romo play on another team just to see what he can do with a descent O-line. Jerry was kidding right??:bang2:

 

[CATCH17]

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000144...tt-senses-theres-not-much-patience-in-dallas/

Not in a Jason Garrett offense Jerry.

Some coaches can do things around it. This coach can not. He calls plays like he has the best Oline in the league and it just won't work.

 

[JackWagon]

I called it months ago ... RB, WR, TE

 

[Dodger12]

A very nice but not overwhelming collection of talent assembled during the Parcells years. But all credible reports are that those years were like all other recent years in the approach used to pick the talent - scouting group, HC & GM. Is Parcells clearly a better talent evaluator than Wade or Garrett? That isn't obvious to me.

Props to Junk for the following research which he posted back in September. I just don't see how anyone can make the bolded statement when all the overwhelming evidence proves otherwise:

Pro-Bowlers/All-Pro drafted and developed under Parcells:

Ware - 4x All Pro, 6x Pro Bowler
Witten - 2x All Pro, 7x Pro Bowler
Ratliff - 1x All Pro, 4x Pro Bowler
Romo - 3x Pro Bowler
McBriar - 2x All Pro, 2x Pro Bowler
Austin - 2x Pro Bowler
Newman - 2x Pro Bowler
Barber - 1x Pro Bowler

Pro Bowlers/All Pro drafted and developed post-Parcells:

Nick Folk - 1x All Pro, 1x Pro Bowl
Mike Jenkins - 1x Pro Bowl
Antony Spencer -1x Pro Bowl (this season)

And all indications are that Spencer probably won't be resigned meaning that all three Pro-Bowlers drafted post Parcells probably won't be here in 2013 (obviously, Folk is already gone). Throw in Felix Jones and the 2009 draft and I don't see how anyone can argue that this team hasn't been pretty pathetic, overall, in drafting and developing players. Sure we have hope in Dez, Smith, Lee, Carter and Murray but these guys haven't proven that they can stay healthy (and consistent) for a full season.

And lets not forget that BP revamped the line and turned around Gurode, Adams and Colombo who they got for nothing. And Kosier was signed for relative peanuts and developed here, under BP, and was a solid contributor on the line. Off the top of my head, Hatcher, Burnett, James, Crayton and Canty were solid contributors. Martin Gramatica was pulled off the scrap heap to win us games during our playoff run as well; he was clutch. Terry Glenn was brought in for peanuts and he was extremely solid. By the same token, Jerry trades for Ryan Cook who was a turnstile at center. And one of the most unheralded finds that people forget is LP Ladouceur.

I was hoping we would have won more when BP was here but he did what I wanted him to do; he found/developed a franchise QB and built a team from the ground up that was a contender.

 

[Idgit]

Lets see:

BP had Q
REd Ball has Romo

BP had Hambone
Red Ball has Murray

BP had what for WRs- oh year tin head Bryant and castoffs

On the O line the Hotel and a declining LA.
Maybe the only place that you could argue that he had it better then Red Ball coming in

He took that team to 10-6 and the playoffs. What has Red Ball done with MORE talent?

By the time he left he left a team that went 13-3 the next year.

No double standard. Parcells started with less talent.

Bingo.

excusing current mediocrity by pointing to past failures is disingenuous at best and pathetic at worst (but not surprising from the usual suspects)

Ah, the old "you aren't what your record says you are" bit. I should have remembered the quote better, apparently.

What's the excuse we're using for The 2006 roster again? Because us usual suspects always forget that one.

 

[Risen Star]

Parcells turned this team around. Jerry and Stephen had years to do it and could only run the team right into the dirt. It was the Parcells years, with a backed off Jerry that we don't see now, that has turned the team into being competitive again.

The ifs, ands and buts don't fly. He came and turned the team around. Period. Without him we are a laughing stock 4 or 5 win team every year. Exactly what we were before he arrived.

 

[Idgit]

Parcells turned this team around. Jerry and Stephen had years to do it and could only run the team right into the dirt. It was the Parcells years, with a backed off Jerry that we don't see now, that has turned the team into being competitive again.

The ifs, ands and buts don't fly. He came and turned the team around. Period. Without him we are a laughing stock 4 or 5 win team every year. Exactly what we were before he arrived.

And it's just a need trick that the turnaround didn't involve more wins to get his team over the 500 hump or a single playoff victory? Got it. I guess we should be thankful for small blessings.

 

[Risen Star]

And it's just a need trick that the turnaround didn't involve more wins to get his team over the 500 hump or a single playoff victory? Got it. I guess we should be thankful for small blessings.

It isn't too complicated to figure out the core he put together here matured into their prime after he left.

You can run the entire litany of excuses. The bottom line is the only time this front office has ever put together a competitive team is when Jerry backed off and brought in Bill Parcells.

We should thank him for applying some makeup to the acne riddled face of the Jerry Jones era.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

It isn't too complicated to figure out the core he put together here matured into their prime after he left.

You can run the entire litany of excuses. The bottom line is the only time this front office has ever put together a competitive team is when Jerry backed off and brought in Bill Parcells.

We should thank him for applying some makeup to the acne riddled face of the Jerry Jones era.

Hilarious how you refer to a "litany of excuses" considering that phrase best defines Parcells defenders.

 

[Idgit]

It isn't too complicated to figure out the core he put together here matured into their prime after he left.

You can run the entire litany of excuses. The bottom line is the only time this front office has ever put together a competitive team is when Jerry backed off and brought in Bill Parcells.

We should thank him for applying some makeup to the acne riddled face of the Jerry Jones era.

I'm not excusing anything. I just think it's humorous that you guys measure Parcels by any standard other than his record and will bend so far over in order to do it.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Parcells was in Dallas because he needed the money and Jones needed the name to get his stadium.

To act like Parcells made a difference fails to take into account the state of the NFL. Teams win, players get old, they lose, younger players take over and start winning until they get old. Then the cylcle starts over again.

The only teams that perpetually struggle are ones who fail to hit on a QB like Cleveland but that's not for lack of effort on their part, throwing high picks at Couch, Quinn, McCoy, Weeden....

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Dear Jerra:
We already have lesser talent on the O line. Very lesser.
If you want to keep "superstars' to the detriment of the rest of the key positions, that's great.
Just don't espect a Super Bowl run any time soon.

 

[Miller]

I'm sure its been said in 11 pages but the idiocy of Jones' comment is that maybe Romo can scramble but that doesn't mean that an average line can make people respect the run. Jones doesn't get it. All Jerry thinks is the passing game without even realizing that the running game behind a better O-line makes Romo better.

 

[burmafrd]

And it's just a need trick that the turnaround didn't involve more wins to get his team over the 500 hump or a single playoff victory? Got it. I guess we should be thankful for small blessings.

BP haters are just like Romo haters. Logic is completely unknown

 

[burmafrd]

Props to Junk for the following research which he posted back in September. I just don't see how anyone can make the bolded statement when all the overwhelming evidence proves otherwise:

Pro-Bowlers/All-Pro drafted and developed under Parcells:

Ware - 4x All Pro, 6x Pro Bowler
Witten - 2x All Pro, 7x Pro Bowler
Ratliff - 1x All Pro, 4x Pro Bowler
Romo - 3x Pro Bowler
McBriar - 2x All Pro, 2x Pro Bowler
Austin - 2x Pro Bowler
Newman - 2x Pro Bowler
Barber - 1x Pro Bowler

Pro Bowlers/All Pro drafted and developed post-Parcells:

Nick Folk - 1x All Pro, 1x Pro Bowl
Mike Jenkins - 1x Pro Bowl
Antony Spencer -1x Pro Bowl (this season)

And all indications are that Spencer probably won't be resigned meaning that all three Pro-Bowlers drafted post Parcells probably won't be here in 2013 (obviously, Folk is already gone). Throw in Felix Jones and the 2009 draft and I don't see how anyone can argue that this team hasn't been pretty pathetic, overall, in drafting and developing players. Sure we have hope in Dez, Smith, Lee, Carter and Murray but these guys haven't proven that they can stay healthy (and consistent) for a full season.

And lets not forget that BP revamped the line and turned around Gurode, Adams and Colombo who they got for nothing. And Kosier was signed for relative peanuts and developed here, under BP, and was a solid contributor on the line. Off the top of my head, Hatcher, Burnett, James, Crayton and Canty were solid contributors. Martin Gramatica was pulled off the scrap heap to win us games during our playoff run as well; he was clutch. Terry Glenn was brought in for peanuts and he was extremely solid. By the same token, Jerry trades for Ryan Cook who was a turnstile at center. And one of the most unheralded finds that people forget is LP Ladouceur.

I was hoping we would have won more when BP was here but he did what I wanted him to do; he found/developed a franchise QB and built a team from the ground up that was a contender.

just static to the BP haters but dead on.

 

[Idgit]

BP haters are just like Romo haters. Logic is completely unknown

Perhaps. I'm no expert in either field.

As I've said many times, I'm a fan of Parcels in general. I think he was an outstanding coach and he's an NFL icon. I didn't love having Giants on the sidelines in Dallas, but I respect what he did here because I believe a coach can actually make contributions that go above and beyond the team's record.

At the same time, there's a crowd here who does not believe that there are things a coach does that don't reflect immediately in wins and losses. And they've evidenced this in countless threads on the topic. The fact that that crowd has absolutely no problem believing 'you aren't what your record says you are' when it comes to BP, and that they continually avoid questions about the 2006 roster when it comes to defending his performance based on a lack of talent pretty much tells me everything I need to know about how this particular agenda works. It's an amusing double-standard, nothing more, nothing less. It'd just be more straightforward if you guys would just acknowledge it and move on. But we both know that's not going to happen.

It'd still be an open question whether or not the changes JG is making that haven't been reflected in wins and losses yet are for the betterment of the team, or not.

 

[rangers71]

The only way this changes is if we all decide not to waste another dime or second talking about this franchise until this joke of a gm is gone. I am at that point now and it sickens me to think that I no longer care what happens to this franchise but that is where I am at.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I don't think the media does anything but report what is said and it is up to the individual to have a brain and filter through it.

I can tell you from experience that Jones believes this is the case.

You only have to look back one year to where he thought two garbage guards could make this offensive line worth anything.

Or...you can just take what he has said out of his own mouth. How many times have we HEARD him say....we will go as far as Romo will take us. Romo is good...but there is not a QB in the NFL that could win a Super Bowl with this OL. In fact, I have contened that some of the QBs many consider great would do WORSE than Romo with this OL.

 

[speedkilz88]

Ware - 4x All Pro, 6x Pro Bowler
Witten - 2x All Pro, 7x Pro Bowler
Ratliff - 1x All Pro, 4x Pro Bowler
Romo - 3x Pro Bowler
McBriar - 2x All Pro, 2x Pro Bowler
Austin - 2x Pro Bowler
Newman - 2x Pro Bowler
Barber - 1x Pro Bowler

How about the rest of the story Paul Harvey?

Ware - Pick #11, Parcells wanted Spears there and was overruled by Jerry.
Witten - 3rd round, Scouts wanted Witten in the 2nd and Parcells took Al Johnson instead - miracle and no brainer Witten was still there in 3rd.
Ratliff - Great pick, scouts had nothing to do with it I assume.
Romo - UDFA that Payton identified and sweet talked to Dallas for less money
McBriar - FA, Credit for a punter working out, not scouting either?
Austin - UDFA, I give credit to Parcells for stashing at bottom of roster for future
Newman - Pick #5, how can you miss? I believe Parcells actually wanted Dwayne Robertson (gone) or Kevin Williams. Newman turned out to not even be the best CB in that draft.
Barber - Was he really pro-bowl worthy? Wasn't a starter that season. Wasn't even over 1,000. Was playing a closer role that made him look better than he really was, should have stayed the closer.