Jerry Jones speculates that Greg Hardy may be innocent of domestic violence

[romothesavior]

the public is not only OK with, but endorses the NFL having greater legal authority than our judicial system should piss people off to no end.

Speaking as a lawyer, this statement is flat out silly. Irrespective of how I or anyone else feels about the NFL's use of power, of course a private employer is going to be able to take disciplinary actions in situations where a criminal court cannot. There are different burdens of proof, as there should be.

 

[Kaiser]

And he should have recorded it ........ then he would not have been found guilty in his first trial.

1) Every 911 call in the country is recorded automatically.

2) In the post you replied to I said the call is posted online.

3) His first trial was an initial hearing that is similar to traffic court. Both sides present and a Judge says yes or no. If they say Yes, its automatically vacated if the accused says they want a full jury trial. In this case it was, and when the DA had to face the reality of taking this to a real trial he dropped all charges on the spot . No plea bargain, nothing. Because the accuser had absolutely zero credibility.

 

[zrinkill]

1) Every 911 call in the country is recorded automatically.

2) In the post you replied to I said the call is posted online.

3) His first trial was an initial hearing that is similar to traffic court. Both sides present and a Judge says yes or no. If they say Yes, its automatically vacated if the accused says they want a full jury trial. In this case it was, and when the DA had to face the reality of taking this to a real trial he dropped all charges on the spot . No plea bargain, nothing. Because the accuser had absolutely zero credibility.

I said video record it ......... and then he would not have lost the first trial and would not be suspended from the league.

If what he says happened is true.

 

[Kaiser]

I also find it hilarious how when Hardy becomes a Cowboy ...... mrtxstar suddenly knows he is innocent ...... but when he as still a panther ....... mrtxstar knew he was guilty and paid off and threatened he girl to stay quiet.

The threads got deleted but a bunch of us read the articles back in January before he was even declared a FA. A bunch of us (BKnight, Stasheroo, XWalker, me, etc) have said the same thing about Hardy being innocent since then.

We all did the reading on the subject because Hardy as a perfect fit on the field but none of us wanted a guy who hits women on the team. If you read what is out there and not what the JJ Taylors wrote in ten minutes time, you will change your mind.

 

[zrinkill]

The threads got deleted but a bunch of us read the articles back in January before he was even declared a FA. A bunch of us (BKnight, Stasheroo, XWalker, me, etc) have said the same thing about Hardy being innocent since then.

We all did the reading on the subject because Hardy as a perfect fit on the field but none of us wanted a guy who hits women on the team. If you read what is out there and not what the JJ Taylors wrote in ten minutes time, you will change your mind.

Well that post was not toward you ...... it was toward the guy who became pro hardy when he became a cowboy.

 

[Kaiser]

Well that post was not toward you ...... it was toward the guy who became pro hardy when he became a cowboy.

Its the same issue, if you really read what is out there you will see that there is nothing pointing toward Hardy being guilty and the girl making the accusation has completely, utterly contradicted herself - while under oath both times.

To Eric's point above, he isn't a saint. He clearly was giving the girl money for coke and clearly she was doing it in front of him. That's small clams by NFL behavior standards but the guy isn't a saint. But he also isn't guilty of DV.

 

[TheDude]

Speaking as a lawyer, this statement is flat out silly. Irrespective of how I or anyone else feels about the NFL's use of power, of course a private employer is going to be able to take disciplinary actions in situations where a criminal court cannot. There are different burdens of proof, as there should be.

well, some people aren't going to like this take

 

[coult44]

Everyone should care.

The fact that athletes are considered guilty until proven innocent is pretty daming tell about our society. The fact that Hardy probably lost millions b/c the public is not only OK with, but endorses the NFL having greater legal authority than our judicial system should piss people off to no end.

Can you imagine if, hypothetically, you met some girl at a bar, got her number, went on a date, never called back and you never even kissed her but, a week later, she gets a black eye and blames you. As a result, the company you work for fires you and other companies refuse to hire you b/c of your red flag. You'd be up in arms, or at least I would.

That's the precedent that has been set with Hardy, Patrick Kane, and even Jameis, to some extent, amongst others, is dangerous and absurd.

Don't cry a river for the NFL players. Or other professional athletes. They have did all this to themselves. One principal I've raised my kids with is this. "You are who you hang with". A lot of these guys are guilty, and rightfully so, of one thing. Bad judgement based upon who they associate with. If they wouldn't put themselves in bad situations, bad things wouldn't happen.

Are you really going to try to defend Hardy by using Winston as an example. If so, this is a losing battle and a waste of time. Next your gonna say OJ didn't kill Nicole right? JW, is a typical athlete full of self entitlement. The people closest to his situations at FSU, all say the same thing. If he wasn't the Heisman QB, star athlete, he'd be in jail, probably multiple times. Even Hardy would take offenseto you comparing his story with Winston's.

 

[DallasEast]

The prosecutor saw the pictures and had them analyzed by a medical practitioner and they did not bring the case to a jury trial. Defense witness notwithstanding, he still could have brought him to trial, but chose not too.

Hardy went from 10 games to 4, I think he figures why fight city hall twice.

The bench trial decision may only be a technically now but I wonder if it was even valid in the first place? That's why I'm curious about those photographs. I want to formulate an opinion whether the judge actually saw true evidence of inflicted abuse. It's the pictures that guided her decision to rule against Hardy at the bench trial's conclusion.

 

[Kaiser]

The bench trial decision may only be a technically now but I wonder if it was even valid in the first place? That's why I'm curious about those photographs. I want to formulate an opinion whether the judge actually saw true evidence of inflicted abuse. It's the pictures that guided her decision to rule against Hardy at the bench trial's conclusion.

The link below is the Twitter recap of the reporters who attended the bench trial and tweeted out comments. They describe the pictures as showing "redness", while Hardy's initial police statement said she was "covered in bruises from head to toe".

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article9140615.html#.U8VF4agoyTw

 

[Future]

Don't cry a river for the NFL players. Or other professional athletes. They have did all this to themselves. One principal I've raised my kids with is this. "You are who you hang with". A lot of these guys are guilty, and rightfully so, of one thing. Bad judgement based upon who they associate with. If they wouldn't put themselves in bad situations, bad things wouldn't happen.

Are you really going to try to defend Hardy by using Winston as an example. If so, this is a losing battle and a waste of time. Next your gonna say OJ didn't kill Nicole right? JW, is a typical athlete full of self entitlement. The people closest to his situations at FSU, all say the same thing. If he wasn't the Heisman QB, star athlete, he'd be in jail, probably multiple times. Even Hardy would take offenseto you comparing his story with Winston's.

The point is that guys are being convicted, by their employers, of being guilty, before it is proven. I'm not talking about player morality or anything.

I'll ask again...would you be OK with being fired and blacklisted by other companies after you got accused of something you didn't do, before being able to prove your innocence in court? That's essentially what is happening.

 

[zrinkill]

You are obviously ignorant of the facts.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/repo...ers-charges-dismissed-02-09-15.315009/page-18

 

[Philmonroe]

OJ didn't do it either.

I will say the funny thing about this is that I'm sure its more than a few people aren't using the Greg Hardy logic of he was found guilty for OJ so for those I need them to be consistent. Nobody is going to respect a wishy washy opinion from people

 

[erod]

Everyone should care.

The fact that athletes are considered guilty until proven innocent is pretty daming tell about our society. The fact that Hardy probably lost millions b/c the public is not only OK with, but endorses the NFL having greater legal authority than our judicial system should piss people off to no end.

Can you imagine if, hypothetically, you met some girl at a bar, got her number, went on a date, never called back and you never even kissed her but, a week later, she gets a black eye and blames you. As a result, the company you work for fires you and other companies refuse to hire you b/c of your red flag. You'd be up in arms, or at least I would.

That's the precedent that has been set with Hardy, Patrick Kane, and even Jameis, to some extent, amongst others, is dangerous and absurd.

You can walk into your boss' office, call him whatever name you please, and the United States government will do nothing to you. However, you will be fired.

You can go on Facebook, go on a profanity-laden rant against the president, and the United States government will not arrest you. But if you're the PR director for your company, you will be fired.

Private business has a right to protect its image and hold employees accountable to a certain level of decorum.

You can smoke weed in Colorado, but a company can fire you for it if you test positive for certain jobs. OJ was acquitted, but he lost his butt in civil court.

Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right.

 

[DallasEast]

The link below is the Twitter recap of the reporters who attended the bench trial and tweeted out comments. They describe the pictures as showing "redness", while Hardy's initial police statement said she was "covered in bruises from head to toe".

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article9140615.html#.U8VF4agoyTw

Thanks. I'm aware of the reported observations from earlier threads and personal research of Hardy's story. I wish I could have been in attendance that day. Those reported observations may or may not be accurately described. I've wondered how much experience the observers had concerning physical injuries, how they may have been incurred and how the body visually displays said injuries. The judge overseeing the bench trial has reportedly presided over a number of domestic abuse cases. One might automatically concede she would have a firm grasp on what injuries should look like if an attacker assaulted someone or they were self-inflicted. I would (selfishly) like to either agree or disagree with her assessment of the injuries but that would only be possible by having access to the pictures.

 

[Hoofbite]

Hasn't everyone had their fill on this issue yet?

Just mulching over the same crap at this point.

 

[Nightman]

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/repo...ers-charges-dismissed-02-09-15.315009/page-18

Is it possible his mind was changed after learning more about the case?

I initially said some bad things about Hardy last year when the story broke. After reading up on the case and hearing the other side, my mind was changed.

And he did fight. He has been fighting for a year and a half. He won his appeal with the NFL, going from 10 to 4 games. He also just had a child with his new girlfriend and just wants to move on. He feels he brought this trouble to Dallas and that they don't deserve it.

One story on HBO brought it back up, imagine if he actually fought it federal court after the Brady circus. ESPN would be there every day, dredging up every ugly accusation.

 

[zrinkill]

Is it possible his mind was changed

His mind was magically changed when reports of the Cowboys going after Hardy surfaced.

 

[JoeKing]

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/repo...ers-charges-dismissed-02-09-15.315009/page-18

Yes, before I was familiar with the facts in the Hardy case, I use to say foolish things like you do. My opinion has evolved as I educated myself with what happen. That's why I feel comfortable with my opinion now. But good on you for digging deep and finding nothing I can't explain.

 

[zrinkill]

Yes, before I was familiar with the facts in the Hardy case, I use to say foolish things like you do. My opinion has evolved as I educated myself with what happen. That's why I feel comfortable with my opinion now. But good on you for digging deep and finding nothing I can't explain.

You mean after Hardy became a Cowboy.

And I am not making the outrageous statements that you did ....... I say we don't know what happened ....... You were sure of his guilt just like after he became a cowboy you are sure of his innocence.

Convicted means guilty... he did it. Charges thrown out on a technicality doesn't mean he did not do it. it just means he got away with it.

hell yes he hit her