Jerry Jones Sure Makes a Good Scapegoat

[Maikeru-sama]

good question
some of the people could have an axe to grind against certain people etc.

but Jeff Pearlman is a pretty, damn good writer, so I'll believe that he did his due diligence

Yeah, so far I haven't heard anyone come out and say that alot of it was untruthful.

I think most of the people being discussed have moved on with their life, are and may be completely different people and it was quite a while ago so they don't care that it is out in the open.

 

[bbgun]

GMs don't win football games or playoff games or Super Bowls.

True, which is why Jerry doesn't have the nerve to wear a Super Bowl ring. Oh wait, he does. Crap.

 

[Bach]

There's only one flaw: Jerry, who hired himself and can't get anything right vis-a-vis his coaches, would have to hire the new GM himself. Does that fill you with confidence? Me neither. Maybe he can outsource it to a talent search agency.

As long as it's not someone like Lacewell I'd be willing to take my chances.

As for the HC situation, I'm sure it's not that he doesn't know who good HC's are, it's that he doesn't want to bring those kind here since they would require to much control and therefore might steal his spotlight.

He did it once after Jimmy left when he got desperate and hired BP to clean up the mess.

So hypothetically if he did really decide to hire a GM, I think he could find a good one. Because it's not a lack of knowing who to find, it's a lack of want-to on his part.

 

[Hostile]

Hos is flustered

I don't get flustered kid. This stuff doesn't even make me sweat. I've had more intelligent arguments with Nors.

 

[TNCowboy]

It sure would go along way though. Just hiring a good HC and giving him full control over his staff and building team chemistry while removing the ongoing circus would be a huge step in the right direction. One in which Jerry refuses to make.

Some people would cheer human waste, if employed by the Cowboys. Better yet, some would buy the jersey, be it #1 or #2.

It's impossible to have a rational discussion with anyone who thinks that Jerry Jones isn't the problem. He hired these pathetic coaches and largely collected this mishmash of me-first players, but oh no, he's not at fault. I mean, Bruce Read couldn't even get STers to run in training camp? What more needs to be said?

Bottom line is no one else would hire him as their GM, and no other team would've retained him anywhere near this long after 13 years like we've just experienced. But the rebuttal seems to be he's better than a can of Campbell's soup as GM, so he should stick with himself. Or that we should pretend he isn't the problem since he isn't going to fire himself, and only discuss the issues of lesser importance.

 

[Bach]

In YOUR opinion.

I have the audacity to think otherwise. Damn me.

You have the right to be wrong too.

 

[Hostile]

No strawmen here. You wouldn't mention him being the GM with three rings if you didn't want to get some kind of reaction. A GM is the one who usually hires the HC and has the most input in personnel. That wasn't the case with Jerry when Jimmy was here. It was a title he gave himself.

So him being a GM with the three SB rings means nothing more than he's an owner with 3 SB's who called himself a GM.

Yeah, that wasn't a strawman at all.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, so far I haven't heard anyone come out and say that alot of it was untruthful.

I think most of the people being discussed have moved on with their life, are and may be completely different people and it was quite a while ago so they don't care that it is out in the open.

what I found most amazing was how much most of them matured from those days

I mean they did some pretty wild stuff

 

[Bach]

Hos is flustered

:laugh2:

Big time.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't get flustered kid. This stuff doesn't even make me sweat. I've had more intelligent arguments with Nors.

and I bet he's seen better insults since then

 

[bbgun]

So hypothetically if he did really decide to hire a GM, I think he could find a good one. Because it's not a lack of knowing who to find, it's a lack of want-to on his part.

Sorry, we're not the Giants. Our owner isn't going to find that pearl.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

:laugh2:

Big time.

kudos on your sig

hilarious stuff, the train's face and everything

 

[wileedog]

I'm not saying Jerry is the best. I am saying his contributions as GM are not the issue with this team. Jerry gone as GM does not mean everything is fixed. That kind of Pollyanna thinking is what I am speaking out against.

I disagree completely, and earlier in the thread outlined just some of the mistakes I think he has made just in the two years since Bill left.

I think this team is an internal and external mess, and I believe Jerry's penchant for flash over substance, talent over character, and over-riding need for a coaching staff which neither threatens his authority or chance to take all the credit are a major reason why. Even Aikman called him out for his lack in the belief for team leadership and chemistry - that he thinks if he just finds the most talent people and throws them on the field they will win.

Is he Matt Millen South? No, if only because he can acquire talent. But there's too much other baggage he brings to create a successful championship team. Even if we got hot next year and somehow went to the Superbowl, there is no doubt in my mind the team as presently constructed and with Jerry's need for the spotlight could crash and burn the whole thing the next year. There won't be a Patriots like dynasty under Jerry ever, this organization is just too unstable.

You say he's learned, that he's not the problem, etc. I don't believe that one bit. He created this mess. He put the lame duck and inexperienced and ineffective coaches in place, he signed the hired thugs that created an absolute embarrassing end of the season and has players sniping at each other in the press because there is nothing resembling accountability anywhere in that clubhouse. And he's the guy that believes we will suck it all down again next year, because where else are we going to go?

He's a salesman with a Fantasy Football roster, nothing more, and his track record of over 13 years proves it.

If he's not the problem, who is? The coaches? He hired them. The players? He drafted, traded for and signed them. The media? He has tons of them in his pocket too.

Or is it just easier to say we're too whiny because then you don't have to change anything?

 

[Hostile]

then don't act like what you're doing is so different than what we're doing

we know what we're arguing probably won't happen, so to tell us that is pretty stupid and condenscending

but alas, it's a message board, so we're gonna do it

I meant it as condescending because the attitudes thrown at me have been. Like the Admin hat BS. If you can't hang in the argument/discussion that is an easy scapegoat. You want respect from me you know I will give it. I don't have anything against any person on this forum. Not even people I disagree with, but that stuff will earn my contempt fast.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

As long as it's not someone like Lacewell I'd be willing to take my chances.

As for the HC situation, I'm sure it's not that he doesn't know who good HC's are, it's that he doesn't want to bring those kind here since they would require to much control and therefore might steal his spotlight.

He did it once after Jimmy left when he got desperate and hired BP to clean up the mess.

So hypothetically if he did really decide to hire a GM, I think he could find a good one. Because it's not a lack of knowing who to find, it's a lack of want-to on his part.

that's where his ego really gets him into trouble

everyone knows who he is, he has 3 Super Bowl rings

why he wants everyone to constantly know that the Cowboys are his brain-child is beyond me

 

[Bach]

I'm not delusional. I don't expect Jerry to demote or fire himself, but I'm going to say my peace anyway. If it's in vain, so be it.

That's what it comes down to for most of those through the years who have defended him.

Some actually gave him the benefit of the doubt at first. Then it turns to more of not wanting to give up hope. Then they know he won't change or leave - but just because that's the case is no reason to blindly defend his incompetence. Now if they want every to shut up about it, that's one thing. It won't happen but I can see that. But to know he's the problem and only defend him simply because they know he won't leave or change is ********.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I meant it as condescending because the attitudes thrown at me have been. Like the Admin hat BS. If you can't hang in the argument/discussion that is an easy scapegoat. You want respect from me you know I will give it. I don't have anything against any person on this forum. Not even people I disagree with, but that stuff will earn my contempt fast.

I brought that up because you of all people should know that arguments like these will take place

arguing that argument is futile is a pretty thin argument

 

[Rampage]

GMs don't win football games or playoff games or Super Bowls.

They contribute to the talent in coaching and roster and they manage the cap and they are in charge of the scouting department.

The sooner our fanbase can grasp this concept the sooner we can move on from these interminable merry-go-rounds.

but that's just it! he only looks at talent. nevermind Tank did Prison time for being a thug. nevermind Pacman is punching strippers and his own bodygaurds. nevermind Owens has ruined 2 teams and is working on his 3rd. which just so happens to be the team both of us love and root for. Jerry is more involved in everything you say a GM should do and you know it. he makes every decision from players to coaches. wonder what you will say if and probably we don't win a playoff game game next year too. "oh he's handled the cap well though" pfftt

 

[Hostile]

I'm not delusional. I don't expect Jerry to demote or fire himself, but I'm going to say my peace anyway. If it's in vain, so be it. Some things just need to be said, no matter how futile the effort. Skip Bayless could care less about our brutal insults or questioning his sexuality, but we do it anyway.



Someone spike your eggnog?

Funny, so am I, and you're going to label me for it. Bach's going to toss out a strawman. I'm not going to fall for it. I know the game. It isn't my first rodeo.

I have never had a drink of eggnog in my life.

 

[Hostile]

True, which is why Jerry doesn't have the nerve to wear a Super Bowl ring. Oh wait, he does. Crap.

You mean the same way Art Rooney did? The same way any owner would?

He was part of the team, he can wear it. Oh crap! Another strawman disintegrates.