Jerry says he's not drafting a qb early in next years draft

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and that is what I feel is a knee jerk reaction and not he is not retiring not sure where you are getting that from.

I'm not saying he is retiring, bro. I'm saying that with his back issues, one good hit could MAKE him retire. This is not some broken bone or punctured lung or broken rib...this is much worse.
 

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This is progress. I hope you now realize that NFL offenses run systems. Hopefully systems that maximize the talent and skills of the individual players of the roster. Because all players are different different teams by this very nature will run different systems.

Thanks for playing along and I hope you learned something. Seriously.
 

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This is progress. I hope you now realize that NFL offenses run systems. Hopefully systems that maximize the talent and skills of the individual players of the roster. Because all players are different different teams by this very nature will run different systems.

Thanks for playing along and I hope you learned something. Seriously.

Double yawn....
 

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This is progress. I hope you now realize that NFL offenses run systems. Hopefully systems that maximize the talent and skills of the individual players of the roster. Because all players are different different teams by this very nature will run different systems.

Thanks for playing along and I hope you learned something. Seriously.

I like it when people say stuff like this. Tom Brady is a system QB, even though he has had about 6 different coordinators in his time in the league. What a joke.
 

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Being a classic pocket passer isn't a "system"?

Do you even understand what you're talking about?

When Matt Cassell was able to step into the Patriots system and put up big stats and win 11 games (and have virtually not success anywhere else) should show you that everyone runs a system.

"System" QB is just jargon for people who hate change.

Again a classic passing offense is dictated by a system. Everything else.

Please educate yourself on football.

and if you think Cam is a great QB then I guess i would question your knowledge. He is very athletic he also turns the ball over a lot with 12 ints and 3 fumbles. meantime they are the 28 ranked passing team but do have a #1 rated defense in the league. Cam is good is he great? No I don't think so and sure as hell not a QB I would want.
 

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Frankly all the talk about how deep this QB draft is? I don't see it, what Johnny Football a 1st rd? lol yeah that is a great lineup of QB. If you plan on starting a college program

It is not just Manziel. A lot depends on underclassmen declaring, but if they all do you could see as many as five legitimate first round choices that make the last few drafts look poor. Blake Bortles, Derek Carr are good first round types, not to mention Teddy Bridgewater. Add in Mettenberger, McCarron, Fales, Boyd, Murray, Garroppolo, Morris --that is a solid group. For our sake, I hope a couple of them stay in school.
 

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I like it when people say stuff like this. Tom Brady is a system QB, even though he has had about 6 different coordinators in his time in the league. What a joke.

I didn't say Tom Brady was a system QB. I said the patriots run a system. Just like all teams do. Tom Brady isn't a system QB because he could thrive in many different systems. But their system is clearly QB friendly. Just ask Matt Cassel.

Cam Newton runs a different system uniquely tailored to his traits. Tom Brady couldn't run it. Now what we have to ask ourselves is could Cam play in a more conventional system? I'd argue yes. He has an otherworldly arm and has done amazing things through the air with subpar receiving talent.

Cam is not a one system QB. And even if he was...i'd take him and that one system and brag about it.
 

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I'm not saying he is retiring, bro. I'm saying that with his back issues, one good hit could MAKE him retire. This is not some broken bone or punctured lung or broken rib...this is much worse.

other QB have had this procedure done it is not the end. Troy had it so did Montana both came back and both played very well. These guys go to the best in the business and procedure went very well.
 

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and if you think Cam is a great QB then I guess i would question your knowledge. He is very athletic he also turns the ball over a lot with 12 ints and 3 fumbles. meantime they are the 28 ranked passing team but do have a #1 rated defense in the league. Cam is good is he great? No I don't think so and sure as hell not a QB I would want.

Cam Newton has 80 tds and 42 turnovers his 1st 3 years in the league starting as a rookie day 1. You'd imagine over time his td potential will increase and his turnover tendencies will decrease.

Having said that for a guy that young producing 2 tds for every turnover? With hish upside? And you wouldn't want that? You're crazy.
 

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I didn't say Tom Brady was a system QB. I said the patriots run a system. Just like all teams do. Tom Brady isn't a system QB because he could thrive in many different systems. But their system is clearly QB friendly. Just ask Matt Cassel.

Cam Newton runs a different system uniquely tailored to his traits. Tom Brady couldn't run it. Now what we have to ask ourselves is could Cam play in a more conventional system? I'd argue yes. He has an otherworldly arm and has done amazing things through the air with subpar receiving talent.

Cam is not a one system QB. And even if he was...i'd take him and that one system and brag about it.

No, I am agreeing with you. There is no such thing as a system QB.
 

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It is not just Manziel. A lot depends on underclassmen declaring, but if they all do you could see as many as five legitimate first round choices that make the last few drafts look poor. Blake Bortles, Derek Carr are good first round types, not to mention Teddy Bridgewater. Add in Mettenberger, McCarron, Fales, Boyd, Murray, Garroppolo, Morris --that is a solid group. For our sake, I hope a couple of them stay in school.

some of those sorry not impressed. Some I think will develop and most will not. My advice to many of those who are underclassmen stay in school the extra year it makes a differance. Guys like Young needed that extra year to develop but was told come out and now he is not even in the league. QB reponsiblity are great and many of these guys are not mature enough to handle the next level.
 

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Cam Newton has 80 tds and 42 turnovers his 1st 3 years in the league starting as a rookie day 1. You'd imagine over time his td potential will increase and his turnover tendencies will decrease.

Having said that for a guy that young producing 2 tds for every turnover? With hish upside? And you wouldn't want that? You're crazy.

and Car sucked last year what has changed? Their defense is the 1st ranked defense. Panthers offense is not jack they are 28th passing they are 19th in scoring but their defense is saving the butts. Romo has 10 int and people whine about it, Newton is has more turnovers and less TD than Romo yet we see the crap Romo takes.
 

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No, I am agreeing with you. There is no such thing as a system QB.

Cheers. That phrase irks me. Like what does it even mean?

OMG he is successful running something that maximizes his unique skills! But that system!
 

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Neither was the age Romo is now. Both were quite a bit younger.

Add in technological advancements and let's call it square.

The point is/was that given this team's needs a 1st or 2nd round investment in a QB would be superfluous.
 

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other QB have had this procedure done it is not the end. Troy had it so did Montana both came back and both played very well. These guys go to the best in the business and procedure went very well.

Aikman just came out and said that everyone thought he retired because of concussions. Aikman said the reason was his back, and that he had the same surgery as Romo just had.

Of course, I cannot remember how long Aikman did play after his surgery.
 

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I hope we hold out til next year for a QB unless someone slips into the 45th or 5th round that shouldn't be there. We need to use or top 3 or 4 picks on DL, OL, S, and LB.
 

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Aikman just came out and said that everyone thought he retired because of concussions. Aikman said the reason was his back, and that he had the same surgery as Romo just had.

Of course, I cannot remember how long Aikman did play after his surgery.

Troy had sugery in 93 did not retire until 2000
 

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Aikman just came out and said that everyone thought he retired because of concussions. Aikman said the reason was his back, and that he had the same surgery as Romo just had.

Of course, I cannot remember how long Aikman did play after his surgery.

Aikman had his when he was 26. But by the time his career was over, it was still a problem.
 
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