Jerry: We've paid the price to some degree starting two rookie OL

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Only a football moron like Jerry would lump Beebe in with Guyton.

Beebe's had a few growing pains but has been a pretty solid and ascending starter as a rookie. Guyton looks like he can't play. I mean, the guys being subbed out for Chuma Edoga on a weekly basis, for crying out loud.
This is what I have been saying all season as well.

Beebe needs to continue to improve but at least with him there's a solid foundation to work with which is even more impressive since he was not a center in college.

I just don't see a starting tackle in Guyton. Maybe he can play better at guard, but he makes a lot of mental mistakes and his mechanics are very inconsistent, so I'm not very optimistic he will be on the team in 2026. I would say that about 2025, but the Cowboys' egos always drive them to hold on to players longer than they should.

I think getting a really good player like Tyler Smith a couple of years ago made the front office over-confident in their evaluation and expectations for Guyton.
 

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Poor planning is poor planning. Anytime someone says they got out over the skis that means they royally *** up.

What it also shows you is for two years in a row we haven't taken the best player available, we have drafted for need and that's a Jerry issue. Drafting for need is always a consideration to a degree, but you can't take a player who is 20 slots lower then the highest ranked player on your board and expect good things to happen. You draft the higher ranked player and then find someone during free agency who can handle the need better then a rookie, that you hope repeat hope grows into it. We did the right thing with Micah. We wanted the two corners the most, but they were off the board so we went with the highest ranked player on our board. Jerry it too cute by half and he knows better. Beebee was at least NFL strong and smart and had a high motor. Guyton was just a big lug who had the right measurables to play the LT position.

PS. There is no throwaway years in the NFL. Careers are too short. Jerry turned this into a throwaway year.
They just didn’t have the cap to keep Tyron and Biadasz.

Martin, Gallup, and Diggs got that $$$
 

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This is what I have been saying all season as well.

Beebe needs to continue to improve but at least with him there's a solid foundation to work with which is even more impressive since he was not a center in college.

I just don't see a starting tackle in Guyton. Maybe he can play better at guard, but he makes a lot of mental mistakes and his mechanics are very inconsistent, so I'm not very optimistic he will be on the team in 2026. I would say that about 2025, but the Cowboys' egos always drive them to hold on to players longer than they should.

I think getting a really good player like Tyler Smith a couple of years ago made the front office over-confident in their evaluation and expectations for Guyton.
They are stuck with TGuyton for several seasons. Just like Mazi.

At least 3 seasons.

Those 1st round contracts are guaranteed.

I think it’s best to draft OL that are at least All-Conference.
 

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You can assume he will get better
I don't need to assume. It's only natural he will. He needs a full off season. He needs to put on weight. He needs to get stronger. He needs to learn the pro game better. Is there any reason to believe those things won't happen?
 

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They just didn’t have the cap to keep Tyron and Biadasz.
They had the cap space. They didn't want to pay Tyron because he could get hurt any snap and Biadasz because they wanted to upgrade the talent at that position.
 

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biggest dissapointment is Guyton,never got better and i dont even know if he ever will.
 

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Poor planning is poor planning. Anytime someone says they got out over the skis that means they royally *** up.

What it also shows you is for two years in a row we haven't taken the best player available, we have drafted for need and that's a Jerry issue. Drafting for need is always a consideration to a degree, but you can't take a player who is 20 slots lower then the highest ranked player on your board and expect good things to happen. You draft the higher ranked player and then find someone during free agency who can handle the need better then a rookie, that you hope repeat hope grows into it. We did the right thing with Micah. We wanted the two corners the most, but they were off the board so we went with the highest ranked player on our board. Jerry it too cute by half and he knows better. Beebee was at least NFL strong and smart and had a high motor. Guyton was just a big lug who had the right measurables to play the LT position.

PS. There is no throwaway years in the NFL. Careers are too short. Jerry turned this into a throwaway year.
Yes! I’ve always been against drafting for need, but I have come to realize that the way the league is now in several regards, you can’t ignore it either.

Some players are capable of starting immediately at certain positions, but not very many.

Ideally if you have a starter hitting FA after the coming season that you don’t intend to retain, maybe you focus there a bit extra and give it a year.

But…left tackle? Immediately? With a guy picked in the 20s in a meh draft and didn’t even play the position in college? Wow.

But hey Jerry is learning on the job like Garrett. Maybe year 30 is the one.
 

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I don't need to assume. It's only natural he will. He needs a full off season. He needs to put on weight. He needs to get stronger. He needs to learn the pro game better. Is there any reason to believe those things won't happen?


I mean. About half of first round picks in the NFL turn out to be busts.

And everybody picked in the first round is picked because of their perceived potential.

So there is absolutely no guarantee he will become a good starter in the NFL. We all hope he does. But nothing is a given.

I hope he turns into an All Pro LT. I will be rooting for him to do so. But it isn’t set in stone that he will be good. It’s still a “maybe”
 

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They just didn’t have the cap to keep Tyron and Biadasz.

Martin, Gallup, and Diggs got that $$$
You mean that the team that right now has $20 million in cap space couldn't have afforded the $6.5 million Tyron is getting this year and the $4.1 Washington is paying Biadasz? Their reasoning for letting go of both had nothing to do with the cap.
 

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They just didn’t have the cap to keep Tyron and Biadasz.

Martin, Gallup, and Diggs got that $$$
Letting Tyron go was the right move.

The crime, if you had no intention of moving Tyler to LT, was not preparing for that inevitably sooner.

They use the draft to fill immediate needs and really need to be more ahead of things….oh and signing a decent free agent more than every decade and a half may not hurt either.

But, they are billionaires and great people, and fans and media are dumb.
 

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Jerry admitted he made a mistake? Sort of?
A mistake fans knew that he had made without having to watch nearly a season of football first. If you believe you are a contender, you don't start two rookie offensive linemen and expect everything to go smoothly.
 

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HE got out over his skis? So he made the decision to start both players. Does that go for every position on the field or just those two?
 

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HE got out over his skis? So he made the decision to start both players. Does that go for every position on the field or just those two?
I think we know the answer to that one.
 

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He won't be and he doesn't get absolutely annihilated either. Good grief. He's put together some solid games this year.
Is that why he is constantly getting benched for a replacement level player in Chuma Edoga? I have seen no visible improvement over the year. He looks just as lost as game 1.

When your first rounder can’t even stay on the field when healthy, I get concerned.

I don’t put a ton of stock in PFF grades, but I think they’re directionally helpful and can confirm your feelings from the eye test. Guyton’s season grade is 49.4 which is pretty atrocious and 111th out of 134 qualifying offensive tackles.

He will have to make huge strides in the next few years to be anything near an average starter. I hope it happens, but I’m not holding my breath.

Not every player magically improves in their second and third years. It’s not a given, especially when they are struggling like Guyton has all year.
 

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Now can they please let Guyton get some more action these past two games instead of giving Chuma Edoga snaps? Why can't this coaching staff just break up with Edoga already? Guess this is a different subject.
 

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Is that why he is constantly getting benched for a replacement level player in Chuma Edoga? I have seen no visible improvement over the year. He looks just as lost as game 1.

When your first rounder can’t even stay on the field when healthy, I get concerned.

I don’t put a ton of stock in PFF grades, but I think they’re directionally helpful and can confirm your feelings from the eye test. Guyton’s season grade is 49.4 which is pretty atrocious and 111th out of 134 qualifying offensive tackles.

He will have to make huge strides in the next few years to be anything near an average starter. I hope it happens, but I’m not holding my breath.

Not every player magically improves in their second and third years. It’s not a given, especially when they are struggling like Guyton has all year.
Guyton and Edoga's grades the past five weeks are virtually identical. Guyton has really improved since early in the season. The only reason he's lost snaps recently was Edoga coming back from injury. This coaching staff has some strange fixation with Edoga and it makes no sense not to give Guyton more experience going into next year.
 

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Guyton and Edoga's grades the past five weeks are virtually identical. Guyton has really improved since early in the season. The only reason he's lost snaps recently was Edoga coming back from injury. This coaching staff has some strange fixation with Edoga and it makes no sense not to give Guyton more experience going into next year.
Edoga is a bad player. It’s not exactly great that your first rounder is playing like him.

I agree though. Guyton needs to be on the field, but Dallas is still playing to win and the coaching staff thinks Edoga gives them the best chance to do that.
 

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Risen, FIFY:

Jerry: “We've paid the price to some degree due to me sucking balls pretending to be a real GM and signing Dak’s worthless *** to the worst contract in the history of the NFL.”​

 
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