Adult Language Jesse Holley Patrick Crayton episode

[TheMarathonContinues]

The people who think Romo was a choker simply buy into the trash media talking heads for clicks or look at stats at face value. It's almost the opposite. During his tenor he was the highest rated or near the highest rated quarterbacm depending on year on 4th quarter and overtime qbr. Better then Brady, Rodgers, rivers most years.

Did he have his *** moments in the playoffs...sure but if you look deeper past the stats he wasn't that bad in the playoffs at all. Well except the Vikings game when the entire team got demolished. Should have beat the Packers with that bs call. Nothing else he could do agaisnt the Giants as he can't catch the ball too. We should have beat them by 2 scores. He did enough to win those games

The Romo a choker thing is laughable. Most of them just try to throw out his post season record to compare to Dak for whatever loser reason.

Romo had 6 playoff appearances in his whole career. That’s in part why he got the choker label.

 

[Cmac]

Romo was a loser but this thread isn't about him and his buddy drawing up plays

You're wrong......Romo is beloved on this board. Just read all the defense for him. His interceptions are generally dismissed.

 

[Redline360]

Romo had 6 playoff appearances in his whole career. That’s in part why he got the choker label.

He also played on some horrible teams and or lacked the defense in certain years. Some years the defense was near the bottom giving up almost 30 points per game.

Some of those 8-8 teams you would find it hard to find any other quarterback outside 2 or 3 at the time that drags those teams to .500 record.

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

The 20 years previous were just peachy

3 Super Bowls ain't half bad

 

[G2]

The people who think Romo was a choker simply buy into the trash media talking heads for clicks or look at stats at face value. It's almost the opposite. During his tenor he was the highest rated or near the highest rated quarterbacm depending on year on 4th quarter and overtime qbr. Better then Brady, Rodgers, rivers most years.

Did he have his *** moments in the playoffs...sure but if you look deeper past the stats he wasn't that bad in the playoffs at all. Well except the Vikings game when the entire team got demolished. Should have beat the Packers with that bs call. Nothing else he could do agaisnt the Giants as he can't catch the ball too. We should have beat them by 2 scores. He did enough to win those games

The Romo a choker thing is laughable. Most of them just try to throw out his post season record to compare to Dak for whatever loser reason.

Or, literally watched, win or go home games where Romo was awful. We could have had a lead, and he would do what he does late season. The choke label fits.

 

[HeavyBarrel]

I actually agree with Dez on not carrying pads for Roy. I've always hated hazing and in my football days I didn't do that BS. No man should bend the knee for another man. I don't care what some garbage "unwritten rule" is. It's for the weak of mind.

Honestly I don't want somebody else carrying my pads either- That's YOUR gear, you should want to carry it.

 

[DFWJC]

Crayton complaining later in th video about Romo throwing to Witten when Crayton was open in 2009

I mean, just throwing Romo under the bus in a loss at Pittsburgh

Now this is the guy that almost single-handedly lost our 2007 playoff game to the Giants with 2 massive drops (at least one that would've gone for a TD) and even worse, the broken route with 17 seconds left that would've given Dallas the TD and certain win.
So, maybe as much as 120 yards and 2 TDs worth of screwups in a tight loss.

After that, Romo did not trust him in big situations
Period

Oh...and I almost forgot....Crayton ALSO muffed a punt in that game.
Just one of the all-time epic playoff fails by a single-player

 

[DFWJC]

Or, literally watched, win or go home games where Romo was awful. We could have had a lead, and he would do what he does late season. The choke label fits.

No...not really
Led the league in 4th qtr comeback, game-winning drives for last 6 years as a starter in the league.
Led the league in Playoff passer rating his last playoffs (Lions and Packers)
One of the best Playoff career passer ratings in NFL history

Nowhere near perfect and had plenty of screwups, but he was not a true choker by any tangible measure

 

[Staubacher]

No...not really
Led the league in 4th qtr comeback, game-winning drives for last 6 years as a starter in the league.
Led the league in Playoff passer rating his last playoffs (Lions and Packers)
One of the best Playoff career passer ratings in NFL history

Nowhere near perfect and had plenty of screwups, but he was not a true choker by any tangible measure

Any discussion of choking that involves Patrick Crayton's opinions is a non-starter for me.

He and Holley should be kissing Romo's backside. The one play Holley made was one that Romo drew up for him and executed with a broken lung. And Crayton did squat after being "run out" of Dallas.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

What a toxic culture, no wonder they did not win squat, and there we were watching like suckers.

Are we in the same boat now?

Some around here are convinced we are, I'm starting to lean that way myself. Have to start thinking hard about giving up this game, is like an addiction, some little highs in exchange for some huge lows.

 

[dacoming]

I think The Curse started when Crayton botched the TD catch in the 2007 playoff game.

Romo scrambled and threw a perfect pass wide open and Clayton dropped it! That's why we lost, not Romo. That and the fact they decided to run the ball against a team with no secondary that we'd blown out twice throwing the ball

 

[John813]

Always an interesting listen to former players. Good stuff about Parcells.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He also played on some horrible teams and or lacked the defense in certain years. Some years the defense was near the bottom giving up almost 30 points per game.

Some of those 8-8 teams you would find it hard to find any other quarterback outside 2 or 3 at the time that drags those teams to .500 record.

Romo never had a "horrible team". You can argue he didn't have a SB team sure. But horrible is a stretch. Especially if Romo was a top 5 QB like so many claim he is. The way guys make it sound it sounds like people think he's Brock Purdy and needed a stacked team. But at some point if you're truly a top 5 guy don't you have to overcompensate for your teams issues?

 

[G2]

No...not really
Led the league in 4th qtr comeback, game-winning drives for last 6 years as a starter in the league.
Led the league in Playoff passer rating his last playoffs (Lions and Packers)
One of the best Playoff career passer ratings in NFL history

Nowhere near perfect and had plenty of screwups, but he was not a true choker by any tangible measure

If you're seriously going to cherry pick 6 years out of over a dozen to support your regular season accolade there's no use trying.
Just off the top of my head I can remember 6 seasons that ended on a stupid attempt. Those games happened.

 

[G2]

Romo scrambled and threw a perfect pass wide open and Clayton dropped it! That's why we lost, not Romo. That and the fact they decided to run the ball against a team with no secondary that we'd blown out twice throwing the ball

He should have put the team on his shoulders.

 

[EST_1986]

3 Super Bowls ain't half bad

The math was a bit off

 

[Redline360]

Romo never had a "horrible team". You can argue he didn't have a SB team sure. But horrible is a stretch. Especially if Romo was a top 5 QB like so many claim he is. The way guys make it sound it sounds like people think he's Brock Purdy and needed a stacked team. But at some point if you're truly a top 5 guy don't you have to overcompensate for your teams issues?

During his tenor he had one year where the defense ranked in the top 10 for scoring defense. They also ranked below 14 in total defense for five or six of his seasons. Also the defense gave up almost 30 points per game several years.

07,08,09 he had top 10 defense rest were mostly below average if not bad.

Have to search where he ranks now but in the 4th quarter he ranked 9th best ever when he retired.

Td/into ratio ranks in the top 25 range(think Dak is top 10 I believe)

Tied for 7th in ypa all time.

07-15 lead the league in 4th quarter and overtime passer rating.

Ranked 1st in or 2nd in 4th quarter and OT comebacks from 06-14

So from 06-15 Romo was actually the premier 4th quarter quarterback or just behind Rodgers. So his choking point is laughable.

But yes regular season means nothing. We can break down the playoff games if needed which has been done to death by others now.

Romo had many "horrible" teams he had to drag up

 

[khiladi]

Only because TO was hurt. That could have been Dallas's year if TO was healthy in the playoffs.

That’s not true. The offense was stagnating before they went into the playoffs and carried over into next year as Jason Garrett sucked. TO was targeted 13 times against the Eagles before the Panthers game and he caught 2 passes. That score was like 10-6.

Romo couldn’t even get the record the first half of the play-offs to end the season against a horrible Commanders team.

The problem with Romo’s team was that Jason Garrett was the PLAY-CALLER and had compete control over it, because he was Garrett’s golden step-child. Romo wasn’t even involved in game-planning meetings until it was forced by Jerry from above.

There were quite a few seasons where Dallas was one of the worst, if not absolute worst teams, in first half scoring and they basically just had to scrap game plans during the half.

Jason Garrett as HC was the absolute worst decision this franchise made, which was later attested to by his performance in NY. Dak Prescott was the second worst.

 

[khiladi]

Yes, he would. Parcells was there to pull the team out ditch after it ran off the road and flipped over. He was given a lot of leeway.

Someone could get seriously hurt and that would affect their jersey sales that upcoming season.

Apparently it was because Jerry wanted a new stadium.

 

[khiladi]

Romo bashers are acting like this “not going by the script” is some new revelation, but it’s been discussed as nauseum on this board about how Romo had to call his own stuff when Garrett was stinking up the joint, including at times with Dez. They simply pretend these discussions never happened.

This culture took roots because Jerry Jones hired Garrett and had to prove his decision right. Even with Wade, Jerry was looking to pull the trigger. He didn’t allow Wade to groom Stewart as his DC and forced him to take on play calling, but refused to allow anybody to get in the way of Garrett calling plays. He didn’t allow Wade to bring in Reeves to oversee the offense.