Jets release players

[Hostile]

Uh......Tucker sucked at OT last year.

Understand?

I did not say we drafted Tucker.

No, I haven't understood what you are trying to say from post 1.

 

[Rush 2112]

Jason Fabini

 

[Rush 2112]

No, I haven't understood what you are trying to say from post 1.

Clearly

 

[InmanRoshi]

And its not just a Parcells trait to sign players on the downsides of their career in free agency, its just the nature of the beast. Very good, proven players under 28 rarely hit the market without getting tagged. Those that do are grossly overpaid for the production they provide.

Antwan Randle El is a nice little player and everything, but he only had 35 catches as a WR2, but because of his youth many claim he's one of the top overall players on the market. And someone is going to grossly overpay him this year. When it comes to free agency, there is risk in youth and age once you've factored in market price. Lots of once promising 26 year olds have been horrible, horrible free agent signings. Jeremiah Trotter for the Commanders. Peerless Price for the Falcons. Fred Smoot for the Vikings.

 

[Hostile]

The only reason its an issue is because people are so adamantly against it, but aren't coming up with any alternatives.

Talking out of two sides of their mouth. "I don't want Fabini....too old." "I don't want to draft someone." "The free agent class is weak." "I'd draft a guard."

How exactly does tackle get fixed?

I did NOT say I wouldn't draft an OT. I said on Day 1 I'd rather draft an OG like Latui. Hell if Eric Winston fell to us in the 2nd do you honestly think I'd gripe?

I have not spoken out of both sides of my mouth. I've teased you about 1 post and for some reason it really lit your fire.

 

[Hostile]

People are getting confused because you're posting that one reason you don't want to sign Fabini is because it would take development opportunity away from Pettiti.

We can agree to disagree as to whether or not Fabini's the right FA answer. I do think you're going to have to get used to the idea of him in a Cowboy uniform, though.

Probably will. I got used to Key.

 

[junk]

I did NOT say I wouldn't draft an OT. I said on Day 1 I'd rather draft an OG like Latui. Hell if Eric Winston fell to us in the 2nd do you honestly think I'd gripe?

I have not spoken out of both sides of my mouth. I've teased you about 1 post and for some reason it really lit your fire.

It hasn't really bothered me all that much.

When I mentioned "people", I was grouping all the Fabini dissenters together. Maybe not the best idea.

However, you do mention preferring a guard on Day 1. You don't like Fabini. So, a day 2 tackle and improvement from Petitti is what you are banking on for fixing the tackle mess?

 

[Hostile]

It hasn't really bothered me all that much.

When I mentioned "people", I was grouping all the Fabini dissenters together. Maybe not the best idea.

However, you do mention preferring a guard on Day 1. You don't like Fabini. So, a day 2 tackle and improvement from Petitti is what you are banking on for fixing the tackle mess?

I think I am banking on a lot of things Junk.

1. Flozell returning healthy.

2. Rivera actually being healthy. I really don't think he was.

3. Petitti being healthy and spending this off season learning how to be a RT instead of a backup LT moved to RT because of an emergency.

4. Jacob Rogers having a little pride and actually being better than Tucker.

5. I'd love to believe we will address Center in Free Agency. The fist pump really got to me. 3 games before they caught it? Count me on the Bentley bandwagon I suppose. I consider him a solution, not a band aid.

6. As mentioned I like the idea of Latui in the 2nd. If we lose Marco or LA I like him better than Peterman or Gurode. Plus it is for the future.

7. I'd draft an OT when the draft board says it is the BPA and not think twice about it.

I don't hold with the Chicken Little predictions that we need to replace 4 of our 5 OL, and right away. I don't agree with it at all. I would replace C. I'd solidify behind the other 4 unless a great player is available or takes the job. I suppose if you asked me point blank what OT I'd love to get I'd say Ashworth. In truth I'd like to see Washington have to cut Samuels and steal him.

I think the excitement over Fabini some are showing is about his ties to Parcells more than his abilities. I keep seeing Ryan Young part deux. How many games did he miss in 2005? I want to say 11. It just doesn't excite me.

Edit...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/playerStats?categoryId=70349

He missed 7 games in 2005.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think I am banking on a lot of things Junk.

1. Flozell returning healthy.

2. Rivera actually being healthy. I really don't think he was.

3. Petitti being healthy and spending this off season learning how to be a RT instead of a backup LT moved to RT because of an emergency.

4. Jacob Rogers having a little pride and actually being better than Tucker.

5. I'd love to believe we will address Center in Free Agency. The fist pump really got to me. 3 games before they caught it? Count me on the Bentley bandwagon I suppose. I consider him a solution, not a band aid.

6. As mentioned I like the idea of Latui in the 2nd. If we lose Marco or LA I like him better than Peterman or Gurode. Plus it is for the future.

7. I'd draft an OT when the draft board says it is the BPA and not think twice about it.

I don't hold with the Chicken Little predictions that we need to replace 4 of our 5 OL, and right away. I don't agree with it at all. I would replace C. I'd solidify behind the other 4 unless a great player is available or takes the job. I suppose if you asked me point blank what OT I'd love to get I'd say Ashworth. In truth I'd like to see Washington have to cut Samuels and steal him.

I think the excitement over Fabini some are showing is about his ties to Parcells more than his abilities. I keep seeing Ryan Young part deux. How many games did he miss in 2005? I want to say 11. It just doesn't excite me.

Edit...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/playerStats?categoryId=70349

He missed 7 games in 2005.

Ryan Young Part II...

Yeah, that's about right.

 

[DLCassidy]

I think I am banking on a lot of things Junk.

1. Flozell returning healthy.

2. Rivera actually being healthy. I really don't think he was.

3. Petitti being healthy and spending this off season learning how to be a RT instead of a backup LT moved to RT because of an emergency.

4. Jacob Rogers having a little pride and actually being better than Tucker.

5. I'd love to believe we will address Center in Free Agency. The fist pump really got to me. 3 games before they caught it? Count me on the Bentley bandwagon I suppose. I consider him a solution, not a band aid.

6. As mentioned I like the idea of Latui in the 2nd. If we lose Marco or LA I like him better than Peterman or Gurode. Plus it is for the future.

7. I'd draft an OT when the draft board says it is the BPA and not think twice about it.

I don't hold with the Chicken Little predictions that we need to replace 4 of our 5 OL, and right away. I don't agree with it at all. I would replace C. I'd solidify behind the other 4 unless a great player is available or takes the job. I suppose if you asked me point blank what OT I'd love to get I'd say Ashworth. In truth I'd like to see Washington have to cut Samuels and steal him.

I think the excitement over Fabini some are showing is about his ties to Parcells more than his abilities. I keep seeing Ryan Young part deux. How many games did he miss in 2005? I want to say 11. It just doesn't excite me.

Edit...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/playerStats?categoryId=70349

He missed 7 games in 2005.

Ashworth would be ok. He would be less insurance than Fabini in the event of another injury to Flo since he only has 3 starts at LT. Not sure why Fabini being hurt last year is a big black mark on him- it was a chest muscle tear, he should be fine. If you're looking at durability Fabini hadn't missed a game in 5 years before last year. Ashworth missed 10 in 2004. But Ashworth is three years younger which is significant. IMO it comes down to money- I wouldn't overpay for either guy but it's hard to see why either wouldn't be a nice signing at the right price.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Rewatching the Rams game the other day and focusing on Pettiti against Little, I would say Pettiti is Solomon Page Part II. But that would be an insult to Solomon Page.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Ashworth would be ok. He would be less insurance than Fabini in the event of another injury to Flo since he only has 3 starts at LT. Not sure why Fabini being hurt last year is a big black mark on him- it was a chest muscle tear, he should be fine. If you're looking at durability Fabini hadn't missed a game in 5 years before last year. Ashworth missed 10 in 2004. But Ashworth is three years younger which is significant. IMO it comes down to money- I wouldn't overpay for either guy but it's hard to see why either wouldn't be a nice signing at the right price.

To me that 3 years is huge. And there's no doubt the NE o-line has been better than the Jets o-line.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Rewatching the Rams game the other day and focusing on Pettiti against Little, I would say Pettiti is Solomon Page Part II. But that would be an insult to Solomon Page.

Oh good.

Glad to know you've stamped Petitti a failure. I'm sure your "Be an NFL GM" application is being sent to you.

 

[superpunk]

Rewatching the Rams game the other day and focusing on Pettiti against Little, I would say Pettiti is Solomon Page Part II. But that would be an insult to Solomon Page.

He's played one 1 1 1 1 1 year. And he was a 6th rounder! How on earth can you say that?

 

[InmanRoshi]

You don't have to be a GM to rewatch the games or log onto NFL.com

Last 5 games of the season he was matched up against ....

Strahan 7 tackles, 2 sacks
Jared Allen - 5 tackles, 2 sacks
Renaldo Wynn - 4 tackles, 1 sack (his only sack of the entire season)
Julius Peppers - 8 tackles, 3 sacks
Leonard Little - 4 tackles, 2.5 sacks.

You go up and down the gamelogs of each of these players, and they either set or tied their season highs in tackles and sacks against Pettiti. He was way worse that Tucker. Tucker had a horrible game against the Commanders, but he held his own in at least a couple of the games down the stretch (particuarly against Rucker). Tucker was inconsistant. Pettiti was impotent. He was completely overmatched every game, and was receiving the majority of the help. They even had Keyshawn motioning into the backfield to act as a chip blocking WR to help, which I've neve seen a WR do in 15 years of seriously watching football. You either have to have foot speed or instincts, one or the other. DE's were gettting around him before he was setting up in his stance. That's not going to get better with an offseason. Because he doesn't have footspeed, he had to overcompensate to the outside, and they would just toss him to the outside with the club move, take an inside counter and hit Bledsoe before he was even out of his stance . He went in the 6th round for a reason, and it wasn't just his weight. Overweight tackles get drafted early all the time if they have the footspeed and ability.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He's played one 1 1 1 1 1 year. And he was a 6th rounder! How on earth can you say that?

It was apparently very easy for him.

Typing comes easy to Inman.

 

[Hostile]

Ashworth would be ok. He would be less insurance than Fabini in the event of another injury to Flo since he only has 3 starts at LT. Not sure why Fabini being hurt last year is a big black mark on him- it was a chest muscle tear, he should be fine. If you're looking at durability Fabini hadn't missed a game in 5 years before last year. Ashworth missed 10 in 2004. But Ashworth is three years younger which is significant. IMO it comes down to money- I wouldn't overpay for either guy but it's hard to see why either wouldn't be a nice signing at the right price.

I'm leery of over 30 O-linemen coming off an injury. It really is as simple as that.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You don't have to be a GM to rewatch the games or log onto NFL.com

Last 5 games of the season he was matched up against ....

Strahan 7 tackles, 2 sacks
Jared Allen - 5 tackles, 2 sacks
Renaldo Wynn - 4 tackles, 1 sack (his only sack of the entire season)
Julius Peppers - 8 tackles, 3 sacks
Leonard Little - 4 tackles, 2.5 sacks.

You go up and down the gamelogs of each of these players, and they either set or tied their season highs in tackles and sacks against Pettiti. He was way worse that Tucker. Tucker had a horrible game against the Commanders, but he held his own in at least a couple of the games down the stretch. He did a good job against Mike Rucker with little to no help. But Pettiti was completely overmatched every game, and was receiving the majority of the help. They even had Keyshawn motioning into the backfield to act as a chip blocking WR to help, which I've neve seen a WR do in 15 years of watching football. He just doesn't have the ability or instincts. DE's were gettting around him before he was setting up in his stance. He had to overcompensate to the outside, and they would just toss him to the outside and take an inside counter.

But Petitti's blocking for the run was capable.

I think you're over-reacting.

 

[Hostile]

Rewatching the Rams game the other day and focusing on Pettiti against Little, I would say Pettiti is Solomon Page Part II. But that would be an insult to Solomon Page.

Can I forward this to Bill Parcells? I'm sure he needs to know ASAP.

 

[Rush 2112]

To me that 3 years is huge. And there's no doubt the NE o-line has been better than the Jets o-line.

This is a job for Yakuza Rich or some stat guy but I'd bet that Jets have better rushing #'s and close to better sack #'s over last 3-5 years.

Pretty sure in 2000-2002 they were ranked 1-5 in sacks given up.

This year was probably a disaster with McKenzie gone and Fabini hurt.