JFK Assassination...Your Honest Thoughts

[Hostile]

Care to expound?

I grew up in farm and ranch country and I've hunted coyotes, wild dogs, rabbits, boar, and many other animals. I do not collect trophies, but I have hunted for meat.

I think head shots are easier than heart shots. I've hit head shots on smaller than human heads from farther away than Oswald's shot. He was high up and that is even easier.

It just isn't as hard as people make out, not even for a moving target. I've hit a running coyote from level ground before. That is faster than the 7 to 8 mph they estimate the limo was traveling so onlookers could see the guests.

 

[Hostile]

I think Hos was the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll, and is using this thread as a diversion.

I shot from my mama's womb in Florida huh?

 

[CowboyDan]

I shot from my mama's womb in Florida huh?

Your age is a cover up too, apparently. :

 

[Doomsday101]

Consider, he did that with an unlimited time for each shot, a stationary target and a Semi-Auto.

As was Charles Whitman who scored 215 and yet is considered an excellent shot. Oswald shot was not hard and was skilled enough to make the shot

 

[Anjinsan]

I grew up in farm and ranch country and I've hunted coyotes, wild dogs, rabbits, boar, and many other animals. I do not collect trophies, but I have hunted for meat.

I think head shots are easier than heart shots. I've hit head shots on smaller than human heads from farther away than Oswald's shot. He was high up and that is even easier.

It just isn't as hard as people make out, not even for a moving target. I've hit a running coyote from level ground before. That is faster than the 7 to 8 mph they estimate the limo was traveling so onlookers could see the guests.

Sorry, it sounded like you were referring to people. My misunderstanding. I don't trophy hunt either and always try for a head shot as the first option. It's more humane in my opinion, and also saves more of the meat.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

As was Charles Whitman who scored 215 and yet is considered an excellent shot. Oswald shot was not hard and was skilled enough to make the shot

So then, why was the shot not reproduced by either the FBI or the Army for the Warren Report testing?

 

[Hostile]

So then, why was the shot not reproduced by either the FBI or the Army for the Warren Report testing?

Why does it matter? It has been done since then on multiple occasions.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why does it matter? It has been done since then on multiple occasions.

I know of know test that has duplicated that shot, with that weapon on the first attempt anywhere. If you have evidence of this, it will be the first I've seen and would very much like to see it.

 

[joseephuss]

So then, why was the shot not reproduced by either the FBI or the Army for the Warren Report testing?

Because the Marines are better than the Army?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Because the Marines are better than the Army?

Actually

http://www.army.mil/-news/2010/08/0...s-knock-em-down-at-interservice-championship/

 

[Anjinsan]

Because the Marines are better than the Army?

Charles Whitman, another Marine, showed excellent marksmanship.

 

[Hostile]

I know of know test that has duplicated that shot, with that weapon on the first attempt anywhere. If you have evidence of this, it will be the first I've seen and would very much like to see it.

Several evidences have been posted throughout the thread ABQ. I posted one in direct response to you.

 

[CowboyDan]

So, who's purchasing a Carcano soon?

 

[Hostile]

So, who's purchasing a Carcano soon?

Cheapest one I have found so far is $179. Found one with a scope and 3 rounds called a "Kennedy Carcano" for $1200.

I thought that was kind of sick.

 

[Aikmaniac]

Found one with a scope and 3 rounds called a "Kennedy Carcano" for $1200.

I thought that was kind of sick.

that's beyond sick.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Several evidences have been posted throughout the thread ABQ. I posted one in direct response to you.

I assume you mean this.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/jfk8/mc.htm

Three things about this test.

1) They did not use the same weapon but a similar model. That is fine but in the original tests by both FBI and Army experts, the same shots could not be duplicated using the exact same weapon Oswald used. Some of the best shots in the world, at the time could not duplicate the shots with the same weapon.

2) This test does not say they used moving targets but instead, "The shots were fired from a two story tower (approximately 20 feet high), at three targets, stationed from left to right at distances of 143, 165 and 266 feet from the tower." Also note that the perch was 20 ft high and not 6 floors or roughly 60 feet or so.

3) They did not use a scope. They used open sights, which are actually easier to use then a scope. Oswald's rifle did use a scope and when this rifle is tested with a scope, these shots are much more difficult to reproduce. It's much harder to work a bolt action weapon and keep a target in your sights with a scope. Once the target is located, the scope is much more accurate but in an excercise such as this, where you have to reload and acquire your target quickly and accurately, it's not an advantage. No Tripod was used so it makes the target even more difficult to make because the barrel of that weapon is not going to stay trained.

Unless their is more information that I have missed, this was not a reproduction of the conditions Oswald had to work with when taking those shots.

 

[arglebargle]

If there were two shooters Dan, then where are the rounds from the second gun? Balistic tests of the recovered bullet fragments match only one gun, the Mannlicher-Carcano found at the TSBD which belonged to Oswald.

This stuff facinated me as a younger man and I thought it was a conspiracy too but as I grew older, I just don't see it anymore when looking at the FACTS, not some theories which are based on no solid evidence whatsoever.

The reality that it's just too incomprehensible for the average person (like all of us) to believe that a lone, crazed gunman could kill our president and the leader of the free world. We don't want to believe it was that easy. But sadly, it was.......

There was a bullet found embedded in a piece of curb. When it was going to be examined again, it had disappeared from the FBI evidence vaults. Their excuse? They needed the space.

For a conspiracy like this to work, you only need a few people in the right positions to handle things. Everyone else is just doing their job/duty as ordered. J Edger Hoover, notoriously corrupt, is perfectly placed. While I tend to doubt that he was in on an assassination plan, he's in the perfect position to obfuscate and cover everything up. Giving him leverage on those who were responsible, something he did all the time anyway.

My bet on the likely participants would be either the pro or anti Castro Cubans. Castro in response to the numerous attempts to kill him, or the Anti-Castro types inspired by the Bay of Pigs disaster. Dulles was perfectly positioned to cover up things in the investigation, and his Operation 40 group had been responsible for this sort of thing repeatedly.

Clair Booth Luce is reported as saying that she was told a day or two before the assassination, by some of her anti-Castro associates, that the Castro forces were going to attempt to kill the president.

Oswald is oddly positioned to be of use to either side in this situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_40

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Here's the thing. I acknowledge that I am not a Master Rifleman, nor am I sniper qualified but I have known people who were exactly that. I have never meet one of these men who have ever said that they could make that shot with that weapon. In fact, there are several who have said it can not be done.

Craig Roberts, and Carlos Hathcock amoung them. If those two guys say it can't be done, it can't be done.

 

[Hostile]

I assume you mean this.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/jfk8/mc.htm

Three things about this test.

1) They did not use the same weapon but a similar model. That is fine but in the original tests by both FBI and Army experts, the same shots could not be duplicated using the exact same weapon Oswald used. Some of the best shots in the world, at the time could not duplicate the shots with the same weapon.

A bolt action is a bolt action is a bolt action. You're telling me it cannot be done. I'm telling you it can. How can you discount those times?

2) This test does not say they used moving targets but instead, "The shots were fired from a two story tower (approximately 20 feet high), at three targets, stationed from left to right at distances of 143, 165 and 266 feet from the tower." Also note that the perch was 20 ft high and not 6 floors or roughly 60 feet or so.

Actually the lower elevation makes the shot harder. Why do you think Sniper search for a high ground?

There is very little difference in a moving target and moving the gun to hit a new target. They are simply trying to be accurate as to distance and time.

3) They did not use a scope. They used open sights, which are actually easier to use then a scope. Oswald's rifle did use a scope and when this rifle is tested with a scope, these shots are much more difficult to reproduce. It's much harder to work a bolt action weapon and keep a target in your sights with a scope. Once the target is located, the scope is much more accurate but in an excercise such as this, where you have to reload and acquire your target quickly and accurately, it's not an advantage. No Tripod was used so it makes the target even more difficult to make because the barrel of that weapon is not going to stay trained.

I've said a dozen times that it would be easier with open sights. It still is not impossible.

Unless their is more information that I have missed, this was not a reproduction of the conditions Oswald had to work with when taking those shots.

I have a feeling that even if you were standing next to me and watched me do it you'd say something was wrong.

 

[CowboyDan]

thought you guys might enjoy Jesse "The Body" Ventura's take on this
He's crazy and the show is exactly that....a show....but it's entertaining nonetheless. And even includes a deathbed confession!! Enjoy?

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