Jim Zorn - New Commander HC *Merged*

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abersonc;1951240 said:
Any sort of reasonable argument that deviates from the "Snyder is an idiot" line is considered defending. Got it.

Nope!! To be honest, I really haven't gotten anything you've said and thats cool cause I really don't want to get it. Have a nice day dude!!! Keep supporting your MAROOM, BLACK, and YELLOW.... Great job by the midget...:lmao2:
 

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Bach;1951244 said:
Not true!!! JJ owned the franchise when they won 3 rings. He didn't exactly guide them. That's a HUGE difference!!!

But yeah, I do think Snyder sucks.

He was right at the controls with Jimmy and he hired Jimmy to guide it...
 

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Bach;1951244 said:
But yeah, I do think Snyder sucks.

Yeah I don't think there is any defending or denying that on the Skins fans part. He has mad some good moves -- some colossal blunders, anyone who says that otherwise, isn't looking.

However the bottom line is his record is sub-par to say the least.
 

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Mansta54;1951251 said:
Nope!! To be honest, I really haven't gotten anything you've said and thats cool cause I really don't want to get it. Have a nice day dude!!! Keep supporting your MAROOM, BLACK, and YELLOW.... Great job by the midget...:lmao2:

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Squawk. Sports Radio Parrot. Squawk.

Think for yourself sometime.
 

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5Stars;1951227 said:
If you had a choice which would you take, door #1 with the Cowboys or door #2 with the Commanders.


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It is Door #1.....
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abersonc;1951269 said:
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Squawk. Sports Radio Parrot. Squawk.

Think for yourself sometime.

Because I listen to others opinions doesn't mean I don't think for myself. That was a really stupid statement... Sports radio is huge with millions of listeners, I guess they don't think for themselves either according to you.. :rolleyes:
 

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One doesn't have to listen to Sports Radio Parrots to scratch their head over the hiring of Zorn.
 

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1fisher;1951293 said:
One doesn't have to listen to Sports Radio Parrots to scratch their head over the hiring of Zorn.

I couldn't agree with you more..:bow:
 

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Man, abersonc, just add the Commanders logo as your avatar and come outta the closet already! ;) I'm in DC and you've defended the hiring of Zorn WAYYYYY more than ANY 'Skins' fan I've spoken with today! I work w/ about 15 of 'em and NONE, I repeat, NONE are excited or pleased with this hiring...or Snyder as a matter of fact!
 

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BehindEnemyLinez;1951321 said:
Man, abersonc, just add the Commanders logo as your avatar and come outta the closet already! ;) I'm in DC and you've defended the hiring of Zorn WAYYYYY more than ANY 'Skins' fan I've spoken with today! I work w/ about 15 of 'em and NONE, I repeat, NONE are excited or pleased with this hiring...or Snyder as a matter of fact!


Well the fans could be wrong... after all look what happened when Philly drafted McNabb.... the fans booed him outta of the draft room... eventually they came around and supported him.... ???hey wait a second???... no they didnt.... as a matter of fact they are getting his gear together as we speak trying to bus him outta town..... my bad... though I was on to something

NEVER MIND :D :lmao:
 

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1fisher;1951293 said:
One doesn't have to listen to Sports Radio Parrots to scratch their head over the hiring of Zorn.
ok so I'm going to pull out the :hammer:
 

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abersonc;1951119 said:
The fact that our present owner drove the team into the ground is relevant how?

The fact that I said that we were run into the ground and have clearly rebounded and are continuing in a positive direction. The same cannot be said for the Skins.

The same realm of mediocrity that Dallas has performed in over the same period -- yet Jerry is the "best owner in football"

Well, I guess maybe a little of your agenda is peeking here, because I said nothing about Jerry being the best owner in football. You're arguing, at least initially, that as the owner, Snyder's football moves, at the very least, are not "idiotic."

Again as I pointed out in my post, we were in hell and are on the rebound. You make so much of the records and I point out factors which you choose to ignore. However, just like stats, arguments can be made based on what you want to present.

For instance, what does it say that in the last 5 years, the skins produced two 5-11 years 2 years apart, and 3 out of 5 losing seasons? In the same period, the Boys have had one losing season. And 3 consecutive winning seasons. Clearly one organization appears in disarray and it all starts at the top.

Value is value. Wasn't there before, is now.

Well, marketing is how he made the money to purchase the team. But you cannot simply discount the new stadium either simply because you don't want to.

Discount it all you want but Snyder has accomplish a bunch and has fielded competitive teams since arriving. He may never be seen as the best owner in the league but the idea that he's an idiot is totally overplayed.

Competitive? See above.

As for what's been overplayed, I'll simply say there are those of us who are simply contrarian and like to argue and will go against what logic and evidence presents while chiding the rest to be "sheep." I'm here in DC as well, and while I don't follow talk radio, I see day in and out the moves this team makes, I talk with skins fans, and none are as deeply rooted and dug in to argue the point that Snyder has not made severely, and routinely, idiotic moves throughout his tenure. And I mean 30 year fans.

So preach on brother. If you think Snyder is the man, or even knows what he's doing running that franchise from a football perspective, more power to you. Long as its not the Boys, I'm good.

Go ahead, hammer me on following the talk radio crowd and discount the numbers above...I double dog dare ya...
 

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1fisher;1951293 said:
One doesn't have to listen to Sports Radio Parrots to scratch their head over the hiring of Zorn.

Why? Because Zorn wasn't someone that all the radio guys pointed to as a hot candidate.

No one saw this coming. That's right. But it is very much like the move that Jerry chickened out of last year. And similar to the moves that Miami and the Ravens made with guys who had no coordinator experience.

Again, I continue to believe that folks see Snyder attached to something and immediately believe it must be crap rather than actually thinking about the move.
 

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BehindEnemyLinez;1951321 said:
Man, abersonc, just add the Commanders logo as your avatar and come outta the closet already! ;) I'm in DC and you've defended the hiring of Zorn WAYYYYY more than ANY 'Skins' fan I've spoken with today! I work w/ about 15 of 'em and NONE, I repeat, NONE are excited or pleased with this hiring...or Snyder as a matter of fact!
:bow:
 

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odog422;1951351 said:
Well, I guess maybe a little of your agenda is peeking here, because I said nothing about Jerry being the best owner in football. You're arguing, at least initially, that as the owner, Snyder's football moves, at the very least, are not "idiotic."

Agenda -- my only agenda here is that people evaluate the moves - not who made them. For every "idiotic" Snyder move, we can find similar moves in our own organization. That's not agenda -- it is objectivity.


odog422;1951351 said:
For instance, what does it say that in the last 5 years, the skins produced two 5-11 years 2 years apart, and 3 out of 5 losing seasons? In the same period, the Boys have had one losing season. And 3 consecutive winning seasons. Clearly one organization appears in disarray and it all starts at the top.

And what does it say that they still managed to do something in the playoffs than we haven't done since 1996?


odog422;1951351 said:
Well, marketing is how he made the money to purchase the team. But you cannot simply discount the new stadium either simply because you don't want to.

And you can't discount the fact that the stadium was there for 2 years before he turned it into a huge money maker.


odog422;1951351 said:
So preach on brother. If you think Snyder is the man, or even knows what he's doing running that franchise from a football perspective, more power to you. Long as its not the Boys, I'm good.

again, I never said Snyder was great -- simply that the idea that every thing he touches turns to crap idea is off base.
 

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BehindEnemyLinez;1951321 said:
Man, abersonc, just add the Commanders logo as your avatar and come outta the closet already! ;) I'm in DC and you've defended the hiring of Zorn WAYYYYY more than ANY 'Skins' fan I've spoken with today! I work w/ about 15 of 'em and NONE, I repeat, NONE are excited or pleased with this hiring...or Snyder as a matter of fact!

See, your first error was believing that Commanders fans know anything about football.

And people are saying I'm off-base.
 

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wasn't Jim Zorn a rookie free agent with the Cowboys back in '75 the year of the dirty dozen?
 

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abersonc;1951365 said:
Agenda -- my only agenda here is that people evaluate the moves - not who made them. For every "idiotic" Snyder move, we can find similar moves in our own organization. That's not agenda -- it is objectivity.
What I find “idiotic” is the way you are trying to defend Snyder’s choice of hiring Zorn. What Jerry does and has done in the past has nothing to do with it. There are people who do not like Snyder’s move, deal with it. Here is what I figured out from all your nonsense mumbo jumbo.

Snyder’s move to hire Zorn is wrong or at least you are not saying it is a good one. But because Jerry has made mistakes in the past, we should not have the right to criticize Snyder’s dumb actions. So, just because they won what, one or two playoff games, now you are saying that is a sign of a genius? Or are you trying to say that because he is making so much profit because of dumb Commanders fans who keep paying up and keep on complaining that Snyder is the next best thing?
 
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