Jim Zorn - New Commander HC *Merged*

[AbeBeta]

What I find “idiotic” is the way you are trying to defend Snyder’s choice of hiring Zorn. What Jerry does and has done in the past has nothing to do with it. There are people who do not like Snyder’s move, deal with it. Here is what I figured out from all your nonsense mumbo jumbo.

Snyder’s move to hire Zorn is wrong or at least you are not saying it is a good one. But because Jerry has made mistakes in the past, we should not have the right to criticize Snyder’s dumb actions. So, just because they won what, one or two playoff games, now you are saying that is a sign of a genius? Or are you trying to say that because he is making so much profit because of dumb Commanders fans who keep paying up and keep on complaining that Snyder is the next best thing?

No, I'm saying that just because Snyder makes a move it doesn't mean it is stupid.

Several teams recently hired long time assistants who have been under quality coaches and yet advanced to the coordinator level. However, when Synder does it, it becomes evidence that he's an idiot.

Again, people say the guy is an idiot but he's had as much success as we have since he took over the team. Seems like an idiot would be doing far worse.

 

[DCfaninDC]

No, I'm saying that just because Snyder makes a move it doesn't mean it is stupid.

Several teams recently hired long time assistants who have been under quality coaches and yet advanced to the coordinator level. However, when Synder does it, it becomes evidence that he's an idiot.

Again, people say the guy is an idiot but he's had as much success as we have since he took over the team. Seems like an idiot would be doing far worse.

I am not sure if you were sleeping during this whole "search for the Skins HC" saga that has been going on for a good while. People say it is stupid because of the way Snyder did it. He asked him to be an assitant coach first. Then when he had no more or better options, he aked him to be the coach.

I just don't know what that says about Zorn's coaching ability. It is like Snyder telling Zorn that he is good, but not good enough. They will keep looking and if they don't find anyone better, they will just go ahead and hire him.

 

[odog422]

Agenda -- my only agenda here is that people evaluate the moves - not who made them. For every "idiotic" Snyder move, we can find similar moves in our own organization. That's not agenda -- it is objectivity.

Agendas are typically identified by sarcasm - "best owner in football, Jerry Jones." Your remark, although I never said a thing about Jerrry. Secondly, Jerry has never done what Snyder did. That is, he has never hired an assistant, announced that assistants hiring and role, and then conducted a month-long head coaching search only to come back and - a month later - ASK that assistant to interview for the head coaching job. Yes, that's right, hire an assistant and then, after interviewing candidates for head coach, one month later , ASK that assistant to interview for head coach. Period. That smacks of dysfunction.

And what does it say that they still managed to do something in the playoffs than we haven't done since 1996?

To me, it says they overspent on some free agents who had postseason experience or long-time veteran playing experience which helped to eek out two playoff victories. You would think with these two playoff victories you keep mentioning we would be speaking of a team on the rise, however, we are in fact speaking of a team, ONCE AGAIN, in flux.

And you can't discount the fact that the stadium was there for 2 years before he turned it into a huge money maker.

I don't. "Check" for Snyder.

again, I never said Snyder was great -- simply that the idea that every thing he touches turns to crap idea is off base.

No, I'm afraid you're trying to defend his tenure, and in particular, this latest move, as "par for the course" when it has been anything but.

No one has made the kind of moves or had the kind of turnover, upheaval and instability in their organization as an owner as Dan Snyder has had. And that speaks to an organization run on the football side in a whimsical manner, which speaks to idiocy.

 

[AbeBeta]

I am not sure if you were sleeping during this whole "search for the Skins HC" saga that has been going on for a good while. People say it is stupid because of the way Snyder did it. He asked him to be an assitant coach first. Then when he had no more or better options, he aked him to be the coach.

I just don't know what that says about Zorn's coaching ability. It is like Snyder telling Zorn that he is good, but not good enough. They will keep looking and if they don't find anyone better, they will just go ahead and hire him.

What's more stupid - getting a guy who you think is going to develop into a good HC or getting a retread? Jerry did basically the same thing last year - he hired JG and kept him in the running for the HC position.

 

[DCfaninDC]

What's more stupid - getting a guy who you think is going to develop into a good HC or getting a retread? Jerry did basically the same thing last year - he hired JG and kept him in the running for the HC position.

And if Jerry would have hired JG, I beleive many fans would have called that idiotic as well. See what you are trying to do is attack Jerry by defending Snyder.

Has Jerry made dumb decisions? Sure. Does that make Snyder less of a stupid when he does something similar? No.

 

[AbeBeta]

Agendas are typically identified by sarcasm - "best owner in football, Jerry Jones." Your remark, although I never said a thing about Jerrry. Secondly, Jerry has never done what Snyder did. That is, he has never hired an assistant, announced that assistants hiring and role, and then conducted a month-long head coaching search only to come back and - a month later - ASK that assistant to interview for the head coaching job. Yes, that's right, hire an assistant and then, after interviewing candidates for head coach, one month later , ASK that assistant to interview for head coach. Period. That smacks of dysfunction.

Jerry NEVER did that? He hired Garrett for an unspecified role. That you see that as somehow different is silly. Jerry did the same thing. Oh, he didn't say "Jason is the offensive coordinator" - what the hell else was he going to be? The defensive backs coach?

To me, it says they overspent on some free agents who had postseason experience or long-time veteran playing experience which helped to eek out two playoff victories. You would think with these two playoff victories you keep mentioning we would be speaking of a team on the rise, however, we are in fact speaking of a team, ONCE AGAIN, in flux.

The overspent? Sure -- so have we. So have most teams in this league.

You can play the "on the rise" card but that is all speculation.

No one has made the kind of moves or had the kind of turnover, upheaval and instability in their organization as an owner as Dan Snyder has had. And that speaks to an organization run on the football side in a whimsical manner, which speaks to idiocy.

Turnover? Them: Turner, Shotzy, Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn
Us: Gailey, Campo, Parcells, Phillips.

Wow, one more coach during the period. Remarkable turnover.

 

[AmishCowboy]

What's more stupid - getting a guy who you think is going to develop into a good HC or getting a retread? Jerry did basically the same thing last year - he hired JG and kept him in the running for the HC position.

Just Wondering, are you a Closet Commander fan?, you sure do defend them alot and bash the Cowboys.

 

[1fisher]

Why? Because Zorn wasn't someone that all the radio guys pointed to as a hot candidate.

No one saw this coming. That's right. But it is very much like the move that Jerry chickened out of last year. And similar to the moves that Miami and the Ravens made with guys who had no coordinator experience.

Again, I continue to believe that folks see Snyder attached to something and immediately believe it must be crap rather than actually thinking about the move.

any of the other 31 teams could have signed Zorn and I still would have scratched my head.

AND I didn't hear this on the radio or ESPN.....

 

[Stash]

What's more stupid - getting a guy who you think is going to develop into a good HC or getting a retread?

Considering that 9 of the last 11 Super Bowls have been won by 'retreads'?

I'll go with the retread!

Thanks.

 

[1fisher]

Considering that 9 of the last 11 Super Bowls have been won by 'retreads'?

I'll go with the retread!

Thanks.

 

[AbeBeta]

Considering that 9 of the last 11 Super Bowls have been won by 'retreads'?

I'll go with the retread!

Thanks.

Yeah, that Jim Fassell sure should be mentioned in the same breath as Bellicheck, Shanahan, Dungy , and Gruden.

Never mind that you'd have to go back to what, 1973 before that to find another retread who won the Superbowl.

 

[UVAwahoos]

It sounds like you need some help from a search engine.

And what does it say that they still managed to do something in the playoffs than we haven't done since 1996?

"Something"??? To correct your delusional thought that winning a couple wild-card games, only to lose the next week in the divisional round is "something" to show for, please Google "Super Bowl". That's a game played in early February that's actually the true standard of measuring success in the NFL. You find the Dallas Cowboys on there 5 times. The Commanders have done NOTHING under Snyder. The Cowboys have done more than most franchises will ever do (Super Bowl X 3) under Jones. (Note: you may get a bit confused why Dallas has won 5 but I only gave credit to Jones for 3. He took over in the late 80s and Dallas already had 2 championships by then. You will also find this from Google if you'd like to verify).

again, I never said Snyder was great -- simply that the idea that every thing he touches turns to crap idea is off base.

Please Google "Six Flags stock report" to get an assessment of where the Skins are headed with Zorn.

 

[Mansta54]

Please Google "Six Flags stock report" to get an assessment of where the Skins are headed with Zorn.






Ouch!!!

 

[Stash]

Yeah, that Jim Fassell sure should be mentioned in the same breath as Bellicheck, Shanahan, Dungy , and Gruden.

And nobody held them in such great regard until they had success at their second stops did they?

Never mind that you'd have to go back to what, 1973 before that to find another retread who won the Superbowl.

Who cares about 1973?

I just quoted facts about the Super Bowl winner of 9 of the last 11 years which punched a hole in you ill-conceived statement.

Your 'case for Danny Snyder' has more holes in it than the swiss cheese on my sandwich.

 

[Mansta54]

And nobody held them in such great regard until they had success at their second stops did they?



Who cares about 1973?

I just quoted facts about the Super Bowl winner of 9 of the last 11 years which punched a hole in you ill-conceived statement.

Your 'case for Danny Snyder' has more holes in it than the swiss cheese on my sandwich.

Dude he's the only one tootin The Midgets horn and that includes Foreskin fans.. I'm tellin ya, he's a closet Foreskin fan. He has to be!!!!

 

[odog422]

Jerry NEVER did that? He hired Garrett for an unspecified role. That you see that as somehow different is silly. Jerry did the same thing. Oh, he didn't say "Jason is the offensive coordinator" - what the hell else was he going to be? The defensive backs coach?

So now, the exaggeration comes into play as your argument weakens. Garret was hired to work in an offensive capacity and since he could not move laterally as QB coach from the Fins to us, there was speculation as to whether he would be OC or possibly HC - prior to his hiring. Did you get that part? Because he was hired as OC. The fact that you cannot see that Zorn was never even mentioned or considered for the HC position at the time of his hiring is what is silly. So, as I said, Jerry NEVER did what Snyder did, that is correct.

The overspent? Sure -- so have we. So have most teams in this league.

Ok, downplay it. No one, and I mean NO ONE has overspent on free agents the way the skins have and the fact you attempt to compare what they have spent in the market to anyone in the NFL over the same period is another clear indicator that you are attempting to defend the indefensible.

You can play the "on the rise" card but that is all speculation.

No, as I said previously, I base that on the teams records the last 5 years. On the field evidence. Also a review of the respective rosters. As I said before, who are the skins young up and comers?

Turnover? Them: Turner, Shotzy, Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn
Us: Gailey, Campo, Parcells, Phillips.

Wow, one more coach during the period. Remarkable turnover.

You reach to make a point. With sarcasm no less. I understand - frustration as it crumbles around you.

To be fair, Gailey's tenure began one year before Snyder's. Therefore, you have to include that if you want to get a better assessment of what kind "window" the repective owners provide their coaches to succeed. The average coaching window for HC under Snyder averages out to 1.6 years, and that includes Gibbs' four years. Under Jones, 2.3, which also includes the Parcells reign. Admit it or not, that's significant.

Again, living here I tell you first hand that the number one question about this team around town from fans I know, from former players, from current players and from the media, was "who are we?"

I'm simply amazed at the lengths you go to try to argue Snyder has run this team anything close to run of the mill.

 

[Woods]

So now, the exaggeration comes into play as your argument weakens. Garret was hired to work in an offensive capacity and since he could not move laterally as QB coach from the Fins to us, there was speculation as to whether he would be OC or possibly HC - prior to his hiring. Did you get that part? Because he was hired as OC. The fact that you cannot see that Zorn was never even mentioned or considered for the HC position at the time of his hiring is what is silly. So, as I said, Jerry NEVER did what Snyder did, that is correct.



Ok, downplay it. No one, and I mean NO ONE has overspent on free agents the way the skins have and the fact you attempt to compare what they have spent in the market to anyone in the NFL over the same period is another clear indicator that you are attempting to defend the indefensible.



No, as I said previously, I base that on the teams records the last 5 years. On the field evidence. Also a review of the respective rosters. As I said before, who are the skins young up and comers?



You reach to make a point. With sarcasm no less. I understand - frustration as it crumbles around you.

To be fair, Gailey's tenure began one year before Snyder's. Therefore, you have to include that if you want to get a better assessment of what kind "window" the repective owners provide their coaches to succeed. The average coaching window for HC under Snyder averages out to 1.6 years, and that includes Gibbs' four years. Under Jones, 2.3, which also includes the Parcells reign. Admit it or not, that's significant.

Again, living here I tell you first hand that the number one question about this team around town from fans I know, from former players, from current players and from the media, was "who are we?"

I'm simply amazed at the lengths you go to try to argue Snyder has run this team anything close to run of the mill.

No use in arguing your point with him . . . . some people can never admit they are wrong or that they may be wrong . . . .

 

[AbeBeta]

And nobody held them in such great regard until they had success at their second stops did they?

Dungy and Gruden weren't successful in their first stops?

Who cares about 1973?

I just quoted facts about the Super Bowl winner of 9 of the last 11 years which punched a hole in you ill-conceived statement.

And I quoted facts about the Superbowl winners for over 20 years before that. Of course, if it doesn't support your argument it must not be relevant.

 

[1fisher]

abersonc, why don't you throw in the towel?

 

[UVAwahoos]

Dude he's the only one tootin The Midgets horn and that includes Foreskin fans.. I'm tellin ya, he's a closet Foreskin fan. He has to be!!!!

What's sad is that I have friends in DC who are DIE-HARD Commanders fans. They are the crazy kind that paint themselves and pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars for games and merchandise. Yet, they consistently mock:

1) this hiring (praying that it sets up a Cowher 2009 push)
2) the Snyder era
3) Six Flags over Maryland


Obviously this absersonc dude is not a Cowboys fan, but he DEFINITELY is not a closet Foreskin fan. If he were, he would have already stabbed himself in both pupils out of frustration from Snyder's era, and he subsequently would not be able to read/reply to posts on this website. I think his issue is far more deep-seeded and I would get an infraction for analyzing it.