Jimmy Johnson in his book "Swagger," in order to win SB, you need a great QB not a good one

[Legend]

Your statement won't be popular...but it is true. When the coaching and talent around him declined....so did Troy's play.

Aikman won 3 SBs and 1 SB MVP.

Only Bradshaw, Montana, and Brady (I may be missing a QB) have won more than 3 SBs.

So what about the other QBs in NFL History?

When did Favre, Young, Elway, the Mannings, Brees, Rodgers, etc play decline?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

SF is going to put that to the test.. You better have a great team around a mediocre QB and that QB better not throw the game away.

 

[diamonddelts]

There's been QBs that haven't been great that have won Super Bowls though.

The problem is having a not great QB that believes he's great.

That's where the trouble starts and that's what we have in Dak.

What did Dak say he believes he is great?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Aikman won 3 SBs and 1 SB MVP.

Only Bradshaw, Montana, and Brady (I may be missing a QB) have won more than 3 SBs.

So what about the other QBs in NFL History?

When did Favre, Young, Elway, the Mannings, Brees, Rodgers, etc play decline?

Troy also deteriorated because of all the concussions he had taken. Probably would have played longer if they played by the rules they have now. Then you had Jerry who refused to draft Randy Moss. lol

 

[blueblood70]

After 7 years with Dak, I hold Jimmy's philosophy to be true. Dak will never get us to a SB, let alone win us one.

So, our fans aren't looking at a SB for another 4 or more years? Ugh

i can think of 10 qbs who werent better then dak win SBS..seen qbs who were elite hof that dont have a ring or have 1 in 19 years..Teams win SBs not any one individual..

I whole heartedly disagree dak cant get us there.

better said,

DAK cant carry team ie offense without as Run game, stronger OL, and skill players who also have flaws plus add in if a defense doesnt show up see rams 2018..see 2016 GB loss..see that and open your dang eyes to reality. These playoff games have far more flaws than DAK!! .having to have a qb who doesn't make single mistake to win it all says you are flawed as a TEAM included coaches...

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

What did Dak say he believes he is great?

Do you put more stock into words or actions?

Dak told you that he's going to clean his INTs up after every game this year. Did he?

As far as I know Dak hasn't said "I'm great", but he plays like he believes he's great.

You should probably put more stop in Dak's action and less into his words.

 

[diamonddelts]

As far as I know Dak hasn't said "I'm great"

So in other words you made that up.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

So in other words you made that up.

Dak over Dallas fans are the worst.

 

[unionjack8]

NFL history shows that isn't true. Having a great QB makes it easier to win Super Bowls, but teams have done it with great teams and quarterbacks on Dak's level. You have to be elite somewhere, such as having a great defense like Baltimore did with Dilfer, Tampa Bay did with Brad Johnson, etc. Coaching matters as well. Some teams can scheme around a QB's weaknesses and emphasize their strengths.

The league has changed in the last 10 years to emphasize passing and points, I feel the days of those guys are pretty much over

 

[unionjack8]

Your statement won't be popular...but it is true. When the coaching and talent around him declined....so did Troy's play.

Multiple concussions(without today's protocols) will do that.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Well, that is where you mistaken. Aikman was a great QB. Sure, he could have had his career drowned by a bottom dweller but it wouldn't have changed anything about his skill set.

He understood everything that was going on, he was decisive and pin point accurate. Not to mention tough as nails, heated competitor who demanded excellence and played "team" football not hero ball. He would have mopped the floor with the 9ers last weekend.

So are you saying he couldn't elevate the talent around him, as great as he was?

 

[diamonddelts]

Dak over Dallas fans are the worst.

Yes they are. Even worse is putting a guys picture as your profile pic that you obviously detest. That is Pappy level disturbing.

 

[McKDaddy]

So are you saying he couldn't elevate the talent around him, as great as he was?

Not even sure where this question comes from. No, I'm saying his talents most definitely lifted those around him. But if you are asking could he have overcome a complete void of talent, no he could only do so much. There are limits to what even Hercules can lift.

 

[blueblood70]

The league has changed in the last 10 years to emphasize passing and points, I feel the days of those guys are pretty much over

really??? lol thats joke right..rpos? running qbs ie hurts, fields, and Jackson to start with are not point defense reading pocket passers.. they are run first pass second have to have team full of war daddy's to win.. so for every Burrow there's a Fields and hurts type.. no way they pass better then dak or read defenses better or can carry a dang team without a run game., schemed offense,. wrs weapons and coaches who know how to call pays etc

JUST Stop,

we just saw foles win a sb...we saw rush win 4 games hes 5-1 and hardly a superior passer. You can win with those guys if the rest fo the team is just loaded..nothings changed the league back then like now is full of very varying talent at QB and teams have to build around them to their strengths,. not a thing has changed as we air coreal and teams full of heavy run and shoot styles, greatest show on turf styles run and gun VS team like us in the 90s who were run heavy maulers with complement at QB with strong defense etc, they didn't try to beat you 40-34 they would beat you 24-17 because they could control the game.

same thing we see now from team to team.. we saw team in Buffalo with mobile strong qb try and win against a team who has pocket passer but brought run game on the road to compliment Burrows and won by 17... pick your style and go, not a thing has changed, think Staubach vs Aikman didn't eras different styles but Roiger actually played more like guys like Young or even at times Hurts while Aikman and burrows are similar.

just bring run game, strong physical indentity within the OL and playcaller who can call the right plays..

MOORE did none of that the last 2 games against 9ers, left Dak alone trying to force the pass game against the top defense in the league. Right, thats smart football LOL run 16 times abandon after pollard leaves, dont use Malik at all?? Moores far larger issue then Dak, Dakas beter qb then Moore is a OC, niter sucks but we would for sure better utilize dak with better OC,

Im sorry but

better said,

DAK cant carry team ie offense without as Run game, stronger OL, and skill players who also have flaws plus add in if a defense doesnt show up see rams 2018..see 2016 GB loss.. see that and open your dang eyes to reality. These playoff games have far more flaws than DAK!! . having to have a qb who doesn't make single mistake to win it all says you are flawed as a TEAM included coaches...

 

[GMO415]

Good chance Jalen Hurts or Brock Purdy win a SB this year.

Which one is great?

His theory says neither will actually win. Then again, Hurts is up for MVP.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

After 7 years with Dak, I hold Jimmy's philosophy to be true. Dak will never get us to a SB, let alone win us one.

So, our fans aren't looking at a SB for another 4 or more years? Ugh

Jimmy is wrong!!!!

 

[ottawacowpoke]

I don't see Aikman as a a great QB. He was a good QB on an exceptionally good team. Had he been on a bottom dweller, he would not have ever made it to the SB.

The 1992 NFC Championship Game is on YouTube. You should watch it. Aikman was great in that game and during the playoffs during their run in the 90s. To me that is the definition of a great QB.

 

[DoctorChicken]

Having a Top-5 QB is the best way to consistently be in the hunt. Teams with elite QBs are historically more likely to be in conference championship games.

Do you need one to win a championship? No. But having one makes it far more likely.

 

[McKDaddy]

Troy also deteriorated because of all the concussions he had taken.

Half the current QB's would be out of the league if they took the beating he took.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

The 1992 NFC Championship Game is on YouTube. You should watch it. Aikman was great in that game and during the playoffs during their run in the 90s. To me that is the definition of a great QB.

If he was so great, why did his SB run end at 3? Aikman was surrounded with talent and depth at every position and top notch coaching. Once Jimmy left and the salary cap hit, he no longer had the elite talent and coaching. If he was so good, he would have elevated the talent around him like people say great QBs do. And no, the concussions and back problems were not the cause of this.

I've been a fan for almost 60 years and Im not trying to put Aikman down, but he wasn't as elite as people make him out to be. He won 3 SBs, but Eli won 2 and he wasn't near what Aikman was. Peyton won 2 and he was far better than Aikman.