Jimmy Johnson in his book "Swagger," in order to win SB, you need a great QB not a good one

[GMO415]

Trent Dilfer?

Today's NFL. If you read the book he explains the past including Dilfer.

 

[tunahelper]

Today's NFL. If you read the book he explains the past including Dilfer.

Okay, Nick Foles?

 

[GMO415]

Okay, Nick Foles?

I'll let you in on a secret, I'm not Jimmy Johnson, nor have I played him on TV, and nor did I spend the night at a Holiday Inn Express.

 

[lukemartin79]

There's been QBs that haven't been great that have won Super Bowls though.

The problem is having a not great QB that believes he's great.

That's where the trouble starts and that's what we have in Dak.

Yes, exactly right. Ive never thought of or heard anyone else ever think that Trent Dilfer was great, lol. Hosteler, Plunkett, Doug Williams, etc too - not great, lol. Bradshaw won 4, and he wasn't great either. Its a team sport. Its not golf or singles tennis.

 

[RonWashington]

There's been QBs that haven't been great that have won Super Bowls though.

The problem is having a not great QB that believes he's great.

That's where the trouble starts and that's what we have in Dak.

And who inflated that ego with 140 million .

 

[gimmesix]

The league has changed in the last 10 years to emphasize passing and points, I feel the days of those guys are pretty much over

That may be a fair observation, but Nick Foles was the winning QB in 2017. I'd classify Jimmy Garoppolo going in 2019 as just a good quarterback as well.

 

[Cowboys5217]

NFL history shows that isn't true. Having a great QB makes it easier to win Super Bowls, but teams have done it with great teams and quarterbacks on Dak's level. You have to be elite somewhere, such as having a great defense like Baltimore did with Dilfer, Tampa Bay did with Brad Johnson, etc. Coaching matters as well. Some teams can scheme around a QB's weaknesses and emphasize their strengths.

Never emulate the outlier. Always follow the rule. Best chance for success.

 

[gimmesix]

Never emulate the outlier. Always follow the rule. Best chance for success.

Following the rules isn't easy. There are only so many great QBs in the game. We should definitely continue to look for one, but in the meantime, we should also try to build a team that can win with a good one.

 

[KJJ]

There’s been plenty of QBs who won Super Bowls who weren’t great.

 

[KJJ]

I don't see Aikman as a a great QB. He was a good QB on an exceptionally good team. Had he been on a bottom dweller, he would not have ever made it to the SB.

You’re putting a knock on Troy Aikman, but how many QBs would’ve made it to the Super Bowl if they were on a bottom dweller team? Matt Stafford would’ve never sniffed a Super Bowl had he stayed in Detroit. I got news for you there’s never been a QB that made it to a Super Bowl on the bottom dweller team. Lol It takes more than just having a great or real good QB to get to a Super Bowl. You have to have a solid team around the QB.

 

[GMO415]

You would think you need a great receiver to go with the QB, but Brady proved otherwise. Mahomes has his Kelce.

 

[nate dizzle]

Good chance Jalen Hurts or Brock Purdy win a SB this year.

Which one is great?

Hurts was firmly entrenched as a top 3 MVP candidate before his injury. Great or just a great year remains to be seen over next few years. But yeah, this year he was great.

 

[nate dizzle]

We saw Rush win 4 games. He's 5-1 and hardly a superior passer. You can win with those guys if the rest of the team is just loaded..

So, our team is loaded enough to win with a noodle armed backup nobody of a QB, but not loaded enough for Dak, a 40mil "ToPtENqB!!" to beat a noodle armed backup nobody, literally Mr. Irrelevant? Even though our defense held them below 20 points?

 

[tromofan]

What you need is a great defense, a QB that doesn't turn the ball over, can move the chains on 3rd downs, and a big O-line with sure handed running back(s)
Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien disprove Jimmy's theory.

 

[Landryhat73]

I posted this in another thread- counting the Super Bowls we won in the early 1990s, not just great but hall of fame or will be QBs have won 22 of the last 29 Super Bowls. I’m not a math major but the chances with Dak is low.

 

[EST_1986]

Daks not even a good QB so we’re screwed all the way around

 

[Legend]

What you need is a great defense, a QB that doesn't turn the ball over, can move the chains on 3rd downs, and a big O-line with sure handed running back(s)
Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien disprove Jimmy's theory.

The 1991 Mark Rypien was way better than Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer.

The NFC East was the NFC Beast from 1990-1995.

A team from the East won the SB every year except 1994. And those teams had great D.

 

[Legend]

There’s been plenty of QBs who won Super Bowls who weren’t great.

The Cowboys have not played in a NFC Championship game since 1995.

And if fans believe Dak and Romo are/were good QBs; the Cowboys definitely need a great QB because Romo and Dak are not good enough.

It seems they are good for either a wild card victory or one and done in the playoffs.

Maybe a great QB can get the team over the hump by winning a divisional playoff game.

 

[tunahelper]

I'll let you in on a secret, I'm not Jimmy Johnson, nor have I played him on TV, and nor did I spend the night at a Holiday Inn Express.

Just needling you a bit.

 

[Landryhat73]

This.

You will sometimes get these types of guys winning a SB. Very rarely are they repeating or consistently getting back to the SB. Usually they win because of a hot streak (Flacco), or once in a lifetime type D (Dilfer & Johnson).

When you have a Brady, Mahomes, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers, you will mostly always be in the SB conversation.

History proves this