Joe Gibbs - The greatest coach in the history of the NFC East?

[KJJ]

I agree that holding Gibb's Superbowls victories achieve during shortened seasons against him is ridiculous.

I can guarantee you this wouldn't been the line of argument if the Cowboys had won in those two years.

Of course not we're talking about Gibbs and the hated Commanders so naturally some here are doing everything they can to take away from those 2 SB wins by Washington. Some are acting like they were handed those games.

 

[Plankton]

Obviously I got the years mixed up the replacement players were used in 87 not 82 but it doesn't take away from the points I made. In 82 7 games were cancelled making it a 9 game season and the league added 16 playoff teams forcing everyone including the Raiders and Commanders who had the best records in their conference to play wildcard games. To win the SB in 82 you had to survive a 16 team playoff format having to win 4 straight games to become champion that season so I would like Eric_Boyer to explain how that increases the luck factor not the skill factor? In a normal non strike season there's an advantage to having the best record in your conference you're awarded a bye and only have to win 2 playoff games to reach the SB but Washington who had the best record in the conference in 82 was relegated along with the rest of the playoff teams to have to play wildcard games.

All it required was the first line - not the remaining thoughts. I don't knock the Commanders for winning titles in strike years. All teams were faced with the same conditions.

 

[KJJ]

All it required was the first line - not the remaining thoughts. I don't knock the Commanders for winning titles in strike years. All teams were faced with the same conditions.

I choose to be thorough and if you don't care for that scroll the rest. It's already been pointed out that all teams faced the same conditions.

 

[Plankton]

I choose to be thorough and if you don't care for that scroll the rest. It's already been pointed out that all teams faced the same conditions.

Actually, you choose to be thin skinned, and think everyone is against you, but that's a whole other story. Most people would choose to acknowledge an error and move on. You have to type a soliloquy that had nothing to do with the error, to a person who didn't object with anything you posted except to point out a factual error.

 

[KJJ]

Actually, you choose to be thin skinned, and think everyone is against you, but that's a whole other story. Most people would choose to acknowledge an error and move on. You have to type a soliloquy that had nothing to do with the error, to a person who didn't object with anything you posted except to point out a factual error.

Where do you get that I'm thinned skinned? You made that claim a couple of weeks ago because I was discontinuing discussions with a few including you due to repeated personal attacks and wanting to slap fight that end up getting us all in trouble. Do you still not get that? It's not me who's thinned skinned it's those who have an agenda is to stalk, harass and insult me everyday. They have issues with my opinions, avatar, location and posting style. I'm in the heads a few here do you not see that? Do you see me following anyone around slinging insults at them all day? Most of these fools who stalk me claim they've owned me in arguments. LOL

I got news for you when someone follows you around a post board all day with nothing but personal attacks and insults that's not the MO of a person who feels they got the better of it in an argument. I can tolerate anything thrown my way open your eyes and look at what I have to deal with from the Jr High crowd. My skin is as thick as a sun baked Iguana but I'm here to talk football with adults not slap fight with those who are looking to get personal and stir up trouble. I acknowledged my error, explained it and moved on now you need to move on instead of trying to make every discussion about me.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Joe Gibbs sucks and looks similar to a red squirrel. In fact I'd say he looks more like a red squirrel than any man who has ever coached in the NFC East.

 

[Sydla]

Explanation?

The Commanders were better at putting together a strike season than many other clubs. They had one of the better replacement teams based on the foresight and insight of Bobby Beathard, who along with Jack Kent Cooke looking to field a team of replacements before the strike occurred. The Skins replacement team went undefeated, winning three games and beating the Cowboys, who had several team members cross the picket line.
The Commanders didn't have any players cross over, and that team unity - coupled with a replacement roster that didn't lose a game - factored into Washington taking the top seed, IMO.

So, in summary, because the strike season altered the game in that all the regulars for all teams didn't play the full season and some teams benefited from their replacements than others, I conclude that it benefited the Skins more than other clubs. Just because you had a talented regular squad doesn't necessarily mean you can overcome a break in the season. Winning is as much about luck as it is about opportunity, cohesion as a unit, etc.

Having said that, I still have Gibbs second to Landry. I think Gibbs was a GREAT coach. I just happen to see Landry as a legend. Landry is up there with Lombardi, Brown, Halas and Shula. I just don't see Gibbs as a legend like I see Landry.

This is quite a stretch though. So on one hand, it's unfair teams had to use scab players, on the otherhand, the Commanders had an advantage because of team unity since the scabs played together?

And then when all the teams got their regular players back the Skins still won the SB?

Sorry, but this logic is squirrely.

 

[KJJ]

Joe Gibbs sucks and looks similar to a red squirrel. In fact I'd say he looks more like a red squirrel than any man who has ever coached in the NFC East.

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[LucaBrasi]

Thomas Wade Landry

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[KJJ]

Someone needs to really explain the logic of holding the strike seasons against Gibbs.

The logic is to try and cheapen those 2 championships because this is a Gibbs vs Landry debate.

 

[Iago33]

Parcells.

Maybe this has been said--I haven't read all the comments. I think Parcells is one of the all-time great coaches, but what he did in the NFC East doesn't rank him in the top five for this division (in my opinion). Maybe others are using different criteria.

 

[KJJ]

Maybe this has been said--I haven't read all the comments. I think Parcells is one of the all-time great coaches, but what he did in the NFC East doesn't rank him in the top five for this division (in my opinion). Maybe others are using different criteria.

Parcells doesn't come close to Landry but like with Gibbs he won multiple SB's without having a great QB. Having Simms go down in 1990 and going on to win the SB vs a great Buffalo team with Jeff Hostetler at QB was pretty impressive. Coaches are tied at the hip with their QB's and it takes a great coach to have a successful career and win multiple SB's without ever having a "great" QB.

 

[KJJ]

Funny thing with Gibbs he won 3 SB's but the one SB he lost in a blowout to the Raiders in 83 was with arguably the best team he ever coached. His 83 team went 14-2 and the Commanders 541 points scored and +209 point differential was the best in the league, with the 541 points setting an NFL record at the time. That was a scary team but one of their 2 losses that season came to the Cowboys in the season opener 31-30.

 

[KJJ]

Both Parcells and Gibbs won a SB during seasons where they lost their stating QB to injury having their backup QB's lead them to championships. I know we're talking NFC East but Belichick is another one of the all-time great coaches who accomplished the same thing losing his starting QB Bledsoe during the season to an injury and winning a SB with his backup Brady. When a team loses their starting QB their season is usually over so it takes one hell of a coach to not only keep things from falling apart but to go on as if nothing happened and win a championship. I know Dick Vermeil lost his starting QB Trent Green to injury and he went on to win the SB with his backup Kurt Warner but at least that happened in preseason. Still a great accomplishment but when you've already set sail in the regular season and your starting QB goes down for the season you're pretty much done.

 

[KJJ]

I think Parcells is one of the all-time great coaches, but what he did in the NFC East doesn't rank him in the top five for this division (in my opinion). Maybe others are using different criteria.

He won 2 SB's the same number as Landry and Coughlin and only Joe Gibbs won more so how can Parcells not rank in the top 5?

 

[5Stars]

Cowboys = 5 Legitimate SB's.

Washington = 1 Legitmate SB and 2 plastic ones.

eagles = well, there you go!

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Maybe this has been said--I haven't read all the comments. I think Parcells is one of the all-time great coaches, but what he did in the NFC East doesn't rank him in the top five for this division (in my opinion). Maybe others are using different criteria.

I think you may be forgetting that he coached the NY Giants not just the Cowboys in the NFCE.. he won two championships with them.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Imagine for a moment that Stephen Jones was doing the GM function while Parcells was here. At the very least, TO never would have come to Dallas and Big Bill would have stayed longer. Parcells career is as good as any NFCE coach, but simply didn't do as well here as with the Giants, although he had handicaps here.

Landry is the best the NFCE has had, maybe Gibbs 2nd or 3rd due to his overall record.

 

[KJJ]

I think you may be forgetting that he coached the NY Giants not just the Cowboys in the NFCE.. he won two championships with them.

He couldn't be forgetting what he did in NY if he considers him one of the all-time great coaches. Coaching the Giants is where he established himself as a great NFL coach.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

its close enough for someone to have that opinion.

Gibbs, Parcells, & of cours my favorite.... Mr. Landry.