Johnny Manziel and RGIII mega thread **merged**

[Yakuza Rich]

I really don't have a problem bringing in both Manziel and RG3 and drafting a QB in the first round.

The QB position is that important and you're not really taking away reps from Romo or the rookie QB. I'd rather give myself 3 chances to 'get it right' rather than 1 chance.

Now, if we didn't have Romo...then it would be a different story. I would be much more inclined to just draft a rookie QB and let him take the reps and progress.

RG3 was horrendous last year and he doesn't see the field well. However, I love his athleticism. He has a cannon for an arm, great legs and is a great ball handler for play fakes. My issue with him is that his footwork was horrendous and he wasn't able to see the field well at all. You would think that would develop over time, but it may have gotten worse which either shows a lack of commitment or an inability to learn or both.

Manziel isn't awful by any means, but he's very small and doesn't quite have the speed to make up for his small stature. And then there's the off-the-field issues. Although I sometimes wonder if he was doing some of that just to get out of Cleveland. You here reports that are so off-the-wall that you have to think he was doing them on purpose. However, it still shows me a lack of maturity and that idea that *now* is not important. The smarter person would do everything asked in Cleveland to improve their stock and gain leverage in negotiations and trades.

I would probably lean more towards RG3 just because I think there would less hoopla around it than all of the Manziel nonsense which happened in Cleveland and would likely only be 10 times worse in Dallas.









YR

 

[Stash]

If the Commanders cut RG3 as expected and he becomes a FA, why shouldn't Dallas explore the option of getting him on the cheap??? He exploded on the scene and looked to be the real deal. Then injuries got to him over the last 2 years....he has had a year to get healthy.... if RG3 accepts the backup role for the next few years..tell me why not!!!

Pro- allows Dallas to draft 2 potential studs in rounds 1-2 this year, rather than reaching for Goff/Lynch (the best of this year) or a Hackenburg type in round 2???

Is he worth a shot??

Here's a food-for-thought article from former Commander and current shill for the team Chris Ccoley regarding one of the last times Griffin saw the field. Give it a read and see what you think then?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-assess-the-rest-of-the-Commanders-offense/

 

[Doomsday101]

Kapernick would be option 3. I think he's better then both and has had success. Yeah he had a bad year this year but i believe he is the more realistic option to take over (for winning games) if/when romo calls it quits or is injured. That's assuming he doesn't get crazy overpaid.

I agree, if all I had to choose from is Manziel, RGIII or Kap, I take Kap over them. Having said that I would still rather look to the draft

 

[robjay04]

Both Foles and McCown had strong years previously in pro offenses, not gimmicky rookie seasons and nothing since.

So Chip Kelly runs a pro offense?

I could be wrong but I think there will be a market for him and if there is any market for him...he will be too expensive.

 

[JohnsKey19]

RGIII has shown he can make every throw in this league.. Say what you want about his health, but the kid can throw the football - he's basically a career 65% completion rate and a 90 rating.

There are significant issues that need improvement as far as pocket awareness and fundamentals, but I agree that the physical talent is certainly there.

 

[Stash]

I really don't have a problem bringing in both Manziel and RG3 and drafting a QB in the first round.

The QB position is that important and you're not really taking away reps from Romo or the rookie QB. I'd rather give myself 3 chances to 'get it right' rather than 1 chance.

Now, if we didn't have Romo...then it would be a different story. I would be much more inclined to just draft a rookie QB and let him take the reps and progress.

RG3 was horrendous last year and he doesn't see the field well. However, I love his athleticism. He has a cannon for an arm, great legs and is a great ball handler for play fakes. My issue with him is that his footwork was horrendous and he wasn't able to see the field well at all. You would think that would develop over time, but it may have gotten worse which either shows a lack of commitment or an inability to learn or both.

Manziel isn't awful by any means, but he's very small and doesn't quite have the speed to make up for his small stature. And then there's the off-the-field issues. Although I sometimes wonder if he was doing some of that just to get out of Cleveland. You here reports that are so off-the-wall that you have to think he was doing them on purpose. However, it still shows me a lack of maturity and that idea that *now* is not important. The smarter person would do everything asked in Cleveland to improve their stock and gain leverage in negotiations and trades.

I would probably lean more towards RG3 just because I think there would less hoopla around it than all of the Manziel nonsense which happened in Cleveland and would likely only be 10 times worse in Dallas.









YR

Great post!

 

[The Quest for Six]

That's like comparing Apples to Oranges. Not even remotely the same thing. RG3 is a bum, he hasn't shown any ability to develop his craft, he rely s solely on his athletic ability and when asked to be a QB, he can't do it. The read option was the only offense he has had any success in. When they moved away from the read option and started playing professional football, he was a joke at QB. He just sucks and would be worse here than anyone we had this year and that is saying something.

Apples and Oranges, no it isn't, that was the same garbage that many were complaining about with McFadden....How about Tim Tebow, how many clamored for Dallas to sign him, the guy can't throw a football!! RG3 was part of an ever changing offensive scheme, offensive philosophy, a 30 million cap penalty imposed against Washington, injuries to their offensive line and you wonder why he sustained a serious knee injury running for his life......There are times Romo still can't even figure out to throw the ball away when the play isn't there instead of taking a sack or hit or forcing the ball into coverage.....under your thinking, I guess Romo must suck, he's always injured too and should be cut!

 

[RJ_MacReady]

The only thing RG3 "loves" is himself.

JF, on the other hand:

Textbook WKGs.

 

[Stash]

I disagree, he is a 1 read QB who used his running ability and now with a couple of knee injuries I want no part of him. Sorry I don't see the Steve young comparison Young could read the field and make the throws I don't see RGIII doing that. I see him more as a Mike Vick at best.

There aren't any valid comparisons to Steve Young's situation.

Steve Young went to arguably the greatest, most cutting edge offense of all-time. With a coach and staff that time after time helped quarterbacks excel in their system. From Montana to Young to Bono to Garcia, the offense and coaching staff was so good that they were able to make the quarterback position almost interchangeable.

Unfortunately, that's nothing like what we have here.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Apples and Oranges, no it isn't, that was the same garbage that many were complaining about with McFadden....How about Tim Tebow, how many clamored for Dallas to sign him, the guy can't throw a football!! RG3 was part of an ever changing offensive scheme, offensive philosophy, a 30 million cap penalty imposed against Washington, injuries to their offensive line and you wonder why he sustained a serious knee injury running for his life......There are times Romo still can't even figure out to throw the ball away when the play isn't there instead of taking a sack or hit or forcing the ball into coverage.....under your thinking, I guess Romo must suck, he's always injured too and should be cut!

You are reaching at straws here man. Why you bringing up Tebow, or Romo, oh yea, because you have nothing to back up your love for RGIII on the football field so try to distract from the real argument. RGIII is a good athlete or he was at one time, since no one has seen him do anything for over a year, we can only assume at this point, but he is a HORRIBLE NFL QB. And there is nothing you can point to that says other wise.

 

[Alexander]

So Chip Kelly runs a pro offense?

I could be wrong but I think there will be a market for him and if there is any market for him...he will be too expensive.

Let me know when Chip is employed again and we can chat about this further.

 

[Alexander]

There aren't any valid comparisons to Steve Young's situation.

Steve Young went to arguably the gayest, most cutting edge offense of all-time.

Hmm.

I always respected Bill Walsh's offense, but okay Stash.

 

[The Quest for Six]

You are reaching at straws here man. Why you bringing up Tebow, or Romo, oh yea, because you have nothing to back up your love for RGIII on the football field so try to distract from the real argument. RGIII is a good athlete or he was at one time, since no one has seen him do anything for over a year, we can only assume at this point, but he is a HORRIBLE NFL QB. And there is nothing you can point to that says other wise.

"HE SUCKS"...that's your argument, I guess stating that over and over makes it true, huh!!

 

[Cowboy4ever]

"HE SUCKS"...that's your argument, I guess stating that over and over makes it true, huh!!

Or watch him play, that will confirm it as well.

 

[Alexander]

I'm no Fisher fan, but this season has given us a pretty good look at what Garrett's record would be here with Case Keenum and Nick Foles at QB instead of Romo too.

Still better than 4-12. Well how about that.

 

[Stash]

I'm actually talking about a rookie QB coming in and being a reliable backup. Bortles wasn't a very good player his first year, he even admitted to it.

I want a reliable backup with experience, not a rookie who hasn't adjusted to the NFL coming in and trying to win us games with Romo out. Management needs to do a better job in search of backup QBs, they did well with Kitna and Orton.

I think that depends on the definition of "well". I believe neither had a winning record as a Cowboys, and Orton may, in fact have played just one game, which he lost.

 

[Stash]

Romo has had how many collar bone breaks, back surgeries, broken ribs, punctured lung etc.....Washington ever changing offense scheme was the issue, not RG3...I heard this same nonsense when the Cowboys signed McFadden, if he would have started from day one, he would have been challenging AP for the rushing lead.....just because a player didn't work out because of injury or coaching changes and philosphy somewhere else, doesn't always mean he doesn't have talent or value..

Don't talk about McFadden and RGIII in the same conversation. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other and derails any point attempted you're trying to make afterwards.

The only "nonsense" is any line of thinking that wants to pair up a quarterback who can't learn how to be a pro quarterback with an inept coaching staff that can't teach anyone how to be a pro quarterback.

If you want a recipe for disaster, that's it!

 

[dallasdave]

Don't talk about McFadden and RGIII in the same conversation. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other and derails any point attempted you're trying to make afterwards.

The only "nonsense" is any line of thinking that wants to pair up a quarterback who can't learn how to be a pro quarterback with an inept coaching staff that can't teach anyone how to be a pro quarterback.

If you want a recipe for disaster, that's it!

 

[Stash]

Hmm.

I always respected Bill Walsh's offense, but okay Stash.

Wow! That was some BAD autocorrect going on right there!

 

[noshame]

Why? Just curious. With this offense it would seem like RGIII would be more adequate since he can extend plays with his feet.

I'm not so sure he can still do that. JF OTOH will use his feet.