Johnny Manziel and RGIII mega thread **merged**

[Stash]

Gosh, the Commanders must be real idiots for relegating him to third string after that kind of accomplishment.

They cut their own legs out from under them, don't they?

 

[Lodeus]

I want them to sign Mr. Football so they can cut him and people will stop talking about it.

And if you can get RG3 for a decent price, go for it . He'd be an excellent backup.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Griffin is not a case of coordinators, regimes and philosophy squeezing out a player. Jay Gruden basically gave Griffin the job in preseason. He had four weeks to take it. He failed and give him credit, he moved on, despite the organization's financial commitment to Griffin.

He can't play in a pro offense.

Now if you give me a guarantee Garrett and Linehan are going to march out a little read option, I might get less disgusted by the thought.

Gruden didn't want Griffin as his quarterback, he wasn't "his" guy, he pretty much stated as much in comments in interviews a year ago and he stated that Cousins was going to be his starting quarterback before the season started. there was no competition as the starter..

 

[Alexander]

Gruden didn't want Griffin as his quarterback, he wasn't "his" guy, he pretty much stated as much in comments in interviews a year ago and he stated that Cousins was going to be his starting quarterback before the season started. there was no competition as the starter..

Complete nonsense. I would love to see the direct quotes.

Griffin was their starter all through preseason this year.

So you are saying what exactly? Some elaborate and contrived ruse to do what?

 

[The Quest for Six]

Using your logic, Peyton manning is very arguably the best qb in the league.

Peyton Manning is one of thee best all time quarterbacks to play in the league......and my point was if RG3 sucks, how possibly could he beat the great Tony Romo Cowboys to win the NFC east

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Best case scenario we sign one of them and they never play because Romo stays healthy

Goff or Wentzel develops for a year and next year they are the primary backup

This is only a bandaid for the year

By Year 3 Romo is backing up Goff or gets traded or retires

No, that would not be the best case scenario. It's near impossible to 1.) Get a Starting QB (Romo) the reps needed for the week 2.) Give a young QB like Manziel/RG3 the reps needed to improve AND 3.) Give a young QB you spent a first rounder or second rounder on (Goff/Lynch/Wentz) enough reps to improve.

You really can't do all three, so Manziel or RG3 would be progress stoppers here. Had this season went the way we all wanted and we did not have a shot at a top tier QB, I'd be more open to the idea of bringing one in, but given the circumstances, it is literally better to not have them even if it did not involve a trade and they made the minimum salary.

 

[MRV52]

Hey, don't laugh. He and Manziel can go to AA together.

Perfect QB coach. And he would do more, at least babysitting, than Wade Wilson has ever done.

What? American Airlines

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Complete nonsense. I would love to see the direct quotes.

Griffin was their starter all through preseason this year.

So you are saying what exactly? Some elaborate and contrived ruse to do what?

It sounds crazy but he's right. I live in the area and even prior to the benching, most of the local talking heads believed Snyder and Allen wanted that and McCloughan sided with them out of the need to see what they had in Griffen + the need to coddle RG3's ego. Once training camp begin, McCloughan started to see what Gruden saw and I actually still think there was no week 3 (in the preseason) concussion, just at that point Gruden and McCloughan needed to show Snyder and Allen how much better the team performed with Cousins.

edit: he's right on this one point, but I did not read where he was going with his other posts till now

 

[Nightman]

No, that would not be the best case scenario. It's near impossible to 1.) Get a Starting QB (Romo) the reps needed for the week 2.) Give a young QB like Manziel/RG3 the reps needed to improve AND 3.) Give a young QB you spent a first rounder or second rounder on (Goff/Lynch/Wentz) enough reps to improve.

You really can't do all three, so Manziel or RG3 would be progress stoppers here. Had this season went the way we all wanted and we did not have a shot at a top tier QB, I'd be more open to the idea of bringing one in, but given the circumstances, it is literally better to not have them even if it did not involve a trade and they made the minimum salary.

Impossible is not in my dictionary. There is plenty of time to get everybody enough reps all year, especially if you aren't pushing Goff along too fast.

 

[jnday]

Yeah, yeah, I know many of us want neither, and hope we solve our quarterback problem through the draft.
But assuming both are available and the Cowboys aren't going to draft a quarterback in 2016, who would you want the Cowboys to sign:

Manziel or RGIII.

Me? I'm going RGIII. Why?

1. He's more talented than Manziel.
2. He doesn't have a problem with alcohol.
3. He has lead a NFL team to the playoffs.
4. He hasn't made a bunch of noise from the sidelines and appears to be more humble about his situation.
5. He'll make the most of his second change compared to Manziel who I think will be the same wherever he goes.

You're up ...

 

[The Quest for Six]

Complete nonsense. I would love to see the direct quotes.

Griffin was their starter all through preseason this year.

So you are saying what exactly? Some elaborate and contrived ruse to do what?

Griffin suffered a concussion, that's why he didn't start week one, and once that occurred, Cousins was named the starter.......the same Cousins who wanted to be traded at the end of the 2014 season if Griffin was the starter and he was the backup going into 2015

 

[Beast_from_East]

Yeah, yeah, I know many of us want neither, and hope we solve our quarterback problem through the draft.
But assuming both are available and the Cowboys aren't going to draft a quarterback in 2016, who would you want the Cowboys to sign:

Manziel or RGIII.

Me? I'm going RGIII. Why?

1. He's more talented than Manziel.
2. He doesn't have a problem with alcohol.
3. He has lead a NFL team to the playoffs.
4. He hasn't made a bunch of noise from the sidelines and appears to be more humble about his situation.
5. He'll make the most of his second change compared to Manziel who I think will be the same wherever he goes.

You're up ...

That's like choosing between being kicked in the balls or being punched in the balls

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Impossible is not in my dictionary.

I said near impossible

There is plenty of time to get everybody enough reps all year, especially if you aren't pushing Goff along too fast.

Which is the definition of a progress stopper. Any rep that a QB not named Romo, any attention a QB not named Romo gets is a waste, plain and simple. Ideally, we want a number 2 QB like Jon Kinta or even Kyle Orton who can come off the bench and perform to a certain level without much practice. RG3 and Manziel are not those guys and to be honest, I'd rather go with a guy like Kellen Moore who should have a good grasp of the offense as a temporary #2 until a rookie is ready to play on Sundays

 

[Alexander]

Griffin suffered a concussion, that's why he didn't start week one, and once that occurred, Cousins was named the starter.......the same Cousins who wanted to be traded at the end of the season if Griffin was the starter and he was the backup going into 2015

Are you President of his fan club or something?

Get your facts, straight.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000525930/article/robert-griffin-iii-cleared-from-concussion

They pretty made their decision to move on and the concussion was just a convenient excuse.

And BTW, that concussion was caused by his zero sense of how to play within the pocket.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Mike Shanahan has all but said the knee is not the problem. But I guess he is a "hater" or something.

the knee seems to be the problem here on the board.... it seems RGIII is the only who can never recover from a banged up knee.

 

[Alexander]

the knee seems to be the problem here on the board.... it seems RGIII is the only who can never recover from a banged up knee.

I don't care about the knee. I certainly am not one of the fan boys who still harken back to his rookie season to think that player is even available. He's not. A shadow of that, plus some other baggage is what the reality is.

I care about the fact he just can't play in a structured offense and has proved it since the injury.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Are you President of his fan club or something?

Get your facts, straight.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000525930/article/robert-griffin-iii-cleared-from-concussion

They pretty made their decision to move on and the concussion was just a convenient excuse.

And BTW, that concussion was caused by his zero sense of how to play within the pocket.

I have my facts straight, Griiffin wasn't Gruden's guy, Cousins was.. plain and simple!

from your article posted link
"Coach (Jay) Gruden did say that Kirk Cousins is our starter for this year and that's what we're gonna do."

 

[Alexander]

That's like choosing between being kicked in the balls or being punched in the balls

Pretty much.

 

[Stash]

the knee seems to be the problem here on the board.... it seems RGIII is the only who can never recover from a banged up knee.

Here's my issue, nothing at all to do with a knee. Take a look:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-assess-the-rest-of-the-Commanders-offense/

 

[Alexander]

Here's my issue, nothing at all to do with a knee. Take a look:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-assess-the-rest-of-the-Commanders-offense/

Lies!