Johnny Manziel and RGIII mega thread **merged**

[Alexander]

I agree with your statement, but why do people keep trashing Blake Bortles? Guy threw for the second most TD passes this year.

Bortles is well on his way to being one of the top young QBs in this league. If we took Goff or Lynch and they were throwing 35 TDs in year two after starting just half a season, I would take it.

 

[SDCowboy]

I think Moore was decent enough to be backup for a year if whoever we drafted was to not be ready for the role yet.

 

[JeffInDC]

I disagree, he is a 1 read QB who used his running ability and now with a couple of knee injuries I want no part of him. Sorry I don't see the Steve young comparison Young could read the field and make the throws I don't see RGIII doing that. I see him more as a Mike Vick at best.

RGIII has shown he can make every throw in this league.. Say what you want about his health, but the kid can throw the football - he's basically a career 65% completion rate and a 90 rating.

 

[KDM256]

I don't live in Texas so I don't get to hear the local/regional media sports discussions like many of you guys but unless RGIII replaced his ACLs with new ones in the off season, then I don't understand the life of me why people think its a good ideal to bring RGIII to the Cowboys.. Don't Dallas have enough often injured players on the roster??

 

[mattjames2010]

I agree with your statement, but why do people keep trashing Blake Bortles? Guy threw for the second most TD passes this year.

I'm actually talking about a rookie QB coming in and being a reliable backup. Bortles wasn't a very good player his first year, he even admitted to it.

I want a reliable backup with experience, not a rookie who hasn't adjusted to the NFL coming in and trying to win us games with Romo out. Management needs to do a better job in search of backup QBs, they did well with Kitna and Orton.

 

[The Quest for Six]

After that rookie season the league figured out the read option. RGIII has also had several knee injuries since then. As a pocket passer he doesn't have it. Signing RGIII would be more about Jerry the marketer than about trying to win football games.

Romo has had how many collar bone breaks, back surgeries, broken ribs, punctured lung etc.....Washington ever changing offense scheme was the issue, not RG3...I heard this same nonsense when the Cowboys signed McFadden, if he would have started from day one, he would have been challenging AP for the rushing lead.....just because a player didn't work out because of injury or coaching changes and philosphy somewhere else, doesn't always mean he doesn't have talent or value..

 

[ChooChoo73]

Very good point. A lot of us are acting as though it's a given that he could end up in Dallas if JJ wants him, but there will be a team or two that will pursue his services, and Houston is very possibly one of them. He would have a decent chance of starting there and be in his home state, to boot.

I think your point is very good. However, I'm not sure a player like RG3 would see this job as a backup. The league likely all thinks Romo will not last much longer and I tend to agree. Also, RG3 seems very interested in building his brand and profile and I can't think of a better back for him to stand on than Jerry's who will prob. give him the marketing dept. to use at his will. All of this stinks but holding my nose I would likely choose Bob Griffin over Johnny Foosball and Colin Kap.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Rookie of the year and leading his team to the playoffs was a fluke I guess!!.....He has more talent than the quarterback scrap heap that's been through this franchise the last few years put together....

it was a fluke, as he has not even come close to that type of performance since then. He is a gimmick QB. When asked to perform in a big boy offense he sucked.

 

[HappyOnions]

I'm actually talking about a rookie QB coming in and being a reliable backup. Bortles wasn't a very good player his first year, he even admitted to it.

I want a reliable backup with experience, not a rookie who hasn't adjusted to the NFL coming in and trying to win us games with Romo out. Management needs to do a better job in search of backup QBs, they did well with Kitna and Orton.

Then I agree with your statement completely. Romo isn't being put out to pasture, he's going to be back next season regardless of his injuries and he WILL be the starting QB week 1. I just don't understand why we would invest that high of a draft pick on a QB that won't see the field UNLESS something happens to Romo.

 

[Sportsbabe]

Here we go. Who's it gonna be? Manziel or Griffin III? Or neither? Knowing Jerry, it will likely be one of them. Discuss.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/should-cowboys-push-for-rg3-or-manziel-to-back-up-romo--190053089.html

Neither.
They're both our of their rabbit mind.

 

[Sportsbabe]

I'd take RG3 of the two but want neither. I think you might be able to salvage RG3. Manziel would be sharing the JW Blue with Jerry

He needs to go back to a 4 year league and learn how to read defenses.

 

[Frozen700]

I don't live in Texas so I don't get to hear the local/regional media sports discussions like many of you guys but unless RGIII replaced his ACLs with new ones in the off season, then I don't understand the life of me why people think its a good ideal to bring RGIII to the Cowboys.. Don't Dallas have enough often injured players on the roster??

He would lead this team further than they have ever gone in the past 10+ years. So yes, Bring on the G.O.A.T

 

[The Quest for Six]

it was a fluke, as he has not even come close to that type of performance since then. He is a gimmick QB. When asked to perform in a big boy offense he sucked.

I guess McFadden's second chance and rushing for a 1000 yard in 11 games as the lead back was a fluke too, right!

 

[wileedog]

I remember very well. Granted, some will say Garrett is nothing but i'd much rather have him then the egotistical Jeff Fisher who has done NOTHING. You know there was a thread on here just a year ago about how great Chip Kelly is and how the Cowboys failed at not getting him. The CZ constantly talks about how bad of a GM Jerry is but I think as a whole if we were in charge we'd be far worse lol.

I'm no Fisher fan, but this season has given us a pretty good look at what Garrett's record would be here with Case Keenum and Nick Foles at QB instead of Romo too.

 

[wileedog]

Then I agree with your statement completely. Romo isn't being put out to pasture, he's going to be back next season regardless of his injuries and he WILL be the starting QB week 1. I just don't understand why we would invest that high of a draft pick on a QB that won't see the field UNLESS something happens to Romo.

Because he gets to sit behind Romo for a year or two and develop, and more importantly if things are going right we will probably not get a pick in the top 4 again for a while. That's where you have your best chance of getting a guy that is your franchise for the next 10 years. Its not just about next year.

 

[Doomsday101]

RGIII has shown he can make every throw in this league.. Say what you want about his health, but the kid can throw the football - he's basically a career 65% completion rate and a 90 rating.

I disagree. I saw him play he has progressively gotten worse add knee injuries to the mix and he could not beat out colt McCoy he is a 1 read QB who relied on his ability to run and is nothing like Steve Young. I have an opinion as do you, you don't agree that is fine.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I guess McFadden's second chance and rushing for a 1000 yard in 11 games as the lead back was a fluke too, right!

That's like comparing Apples to Oranges. Not even remotely the same thing. RG3 is a bum, he hasn't shown any ability to develop his craft, he rely s solely on his athletic ability and when asked to be a QB, he can't do it. The read option was the only offense he has had any success in. When they moved away from the read option and started playing professional football, he was a joke at QB. He just sucks and would be worse here than anyone we had this year and that is saying something.

 

[Stash]

Its because Jeff Fisher is terrible and overrated. He's done nothing in recent memory to warrant praise.

I agree with this. Any benefit of the doubt has left town with this guy.

 

[Iron_Man]

Yeah, yeah, I know many of us want neither, and hope we solve our quarterback problem through the draft.
But assuming both are available and the Cowboys aren't going to draft a quarterback in 2016, who would you want the Cowboys to sign:

Manziel or RGIII.

Me? I'm going RGIII. Why?

1. He's more talented than Manziel.
2. He doesn't have a problem with alcohol.
3. He has lead a NFL team to the playoffs.
4. He hasn't made a bunch of noise from the sidelines and appears to be more humble about his situation.
5. He'll make the most of his second change compared to Manziel who I think will be the same wherever he goes.

You're up ...

The organization will consider them because they will be cheap because of their pasts in the NFL. I prefer neither. They are both high maintenance.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Kapernick would be option 3. I think he's better then both and has had success. Yeah he had a bad year this year but i believe he is the more realistic option to take over (for winning games) if/when romo calls it quits or is injured. That's assuming he doesn't get crazy overpaid.