Josh Allen is exactly what the Cowboys hope Dak will become

[PAPPYDOG]

There is nothing wrong with Dak right now. If he wins a ring playing like this no one should care how good he is compared to Josh Allen or whatever other overrated QB.

Dak's so far career is summarized in 2 words..........IF DAK.......

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Top 10 is plenty good enough. Lucky to have a top 10 qb.

I agree, but I root for a team that’s rarely ever had that. Show a bottom-half-of-the-top-10 QB to an Eagles fan or a Lions fan, and they’ll be pleased. Show one to a Patriots fan or a Packers fan and they’ll begrudgingly accept that fate.

Top 10 is cool in theory, but some teams are trying to be top 1. It’s the Pat Mahomes’s and the Aaron Rodgers’s and the Tom Brady’s who are making championship game after championship game, but occasionally a Garropolo or a Goff does slip through.

Accept this fate or roll the dice for a better one is the ultimate dilemma for an NFL GM in my opinion. Take Washington, for example. Kirk Cousins puts up some of the prettiest stats in the league, better than Carr does, close to Dak and Tannehill. But they said it’s worth trying to improve the position than settling with that being the best they could do.

Was it worth it? Well Cousins hasnt exactly given further since he left, and neither has Washington. So Dallas and Las Vegas have decided to roll with the guy they have because there isn’t a very good chance they get one even as good as him for awhile.

And then there’s LA, who had a QB in that range who had made a Super Bowl, and they took the Commanders’ stance and said they can’t middle. It worked for them. But a Matt Stafford or a Russell Wilson isn’t always available.

Which brings me back to the “Prescott 17”. You’re not better without Dak, so he continues to be your QB. But I believe it’s the toughest position for any GM to be in.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I agree, but I root for a team that’s rarely ever had that. Show a bottom-half-of-the-top-10 QB to an Eagles fan or a Lions fan, and they’ll be pleased. Show one to a Patriots fan or a Packers fan and they’ll begrudgingly accept that fate.

Top 10 is cool in theory, but some teams are trying to be top 1. It’s the Pat Mahomes’s and the Aaron Rodgers’s and the Tom Brady’s who are making championship game after championship game, but occasionally a Garropolo or a Goff does slip through.

Accept this fate or roll the dice for a better one is the ultimate dilemma for an NFL GM in my opinion. Take Washington, for example. Kirk Cousins puts up some of the prettiest stats in the league, better than Carr does, close to Dak and Tannehill. But they said it’s worth trying to improve the position than settling with that being the best they could do.

Was it worth it? Well Cousins hasnt exactly given further since he left, and neither has Washington. So Dallas and Las Vegas have decided to roll with the guy they have because there isn’t a very good chance they get one even as good as him for awhile.

And then there’s LA, who had a QB in that range who had made a Super Bowl, and they took the Commanders’ stance and said they can’t middle. It worked for them. But a Matt Stafford or a Russell Wilson isn’t always available.

Which brings me back to the “Prescott 17”. You’re not better without Dak, so he continues to be your QB. But I believe it’s the toughest position for any GM to be in.

Really? When was the last time Roger’s won a sb? Garrapollo beat Roger’s.
Where were Brady, Roger’s, mahimes last year? Got beat by garrapollo and Stanford. Mahomes got beat by burrows.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Really? When was the last time Roger’s won a sb? Garrapollo beat Roger’s.
Where were Brady, Roger’s, mahimes last year? Got beat by garrapollo and Stanford. Mahomes got beat by burrows.

And Burrow is ascending to be in that grouping. Stafford has been close to that for many years, but was lost in Detroit.

Rodgers has made 2 of the last 3 NFCCGs. Mahomes has made 4 consecutive. Brady has made like 4 of 6 championship games.

Garropolo is an outlier, but that’s the conundrum: bet on a rare occurrence vs try to trade out for an equally rare occursnce of upgrading the position.

 

[CowboyRoy]

And Burrow is ascending to be in that grouping. Stafford has been close to that for many years, but was lost in Detroit.

Rodgers has made 2 of the last 3 NFCCGs. Mahomes has made 4 consecutive. Brady has made like 4 of 6 championship games.

Garropolo is an outlier, but that’s the conundrum: bet on a rare occurrence vs try to trade out for an equally rare occursnce of upgrading the position.

Wawawawawait…….you said it’s all about elite qbs.

no….garrappollo just had a much better team. End of story.

stafford played on bad teams. It’s a team sport.

daks problem is he plays for Jerry. Roger’s, mahomes, Allen don’t win diddly on the cowboys.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Wawawawawait…….you said it’s all about elite qbs.

no….garrappollo just had a much better team. End of story.

Definitely not elite QBs. I do not throw that term around.

Yet with Garropolo. SF said it’s still not good enough. Some teams say good enough is good enough, and some don’t settle, back to that point of the conundrum

 

[CowboyRoy]

Definitely not elite QBs. I do not throw that term around.

Yet with Garropolo. SF said it’s still not good enough. Some teams say good enough is good enough, and some don’t settle, back to that point of the conundrum

There is no conundrum. You need a championship roster…..period. The quality of the qb simply enhances that.

great qbs win nothing without a great team around them.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

There is no conundrum. You need a championship roster…..period. The quality of the qb simply enhances that.

great qbs win nothing without a great team around them.

That is true. But the greatness of the roster required is relative to the greatness of the QB.

You bring up amazing things that Dak could do with Buffalo’s roster. But alternatively, there are a few guys who could do amazing things if given Dallas’s roster. Your prediction for CeeDee’s season, for instance. Imagine if he had the QB who orchestrated the two greatest WR seasons in nfl history? Or Perhaps a QB in Wilson who’s career postseason passer rating is second alltime? Better than Manning, better than Brady, better than Mahomes.

Dallas can with Dak, absolutely. The greatness of the rest of the roster will simply need to be adjusted to compensate. As with Minnesota, as with Las Vegas, as with Tennessee. Is it easier to do all that than to improve QB1? LA tried for years and decided no. Las Vegas has said yes and will try the other way. Everyone will learn from both instances.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That is true. But the greatness of the roster required is relative to the greatness of the QB.

You bring up amazing things that Dak could do with Buffalo’s roster. But alternatively, there are a few guys who could do amazing things if given Dallas’s roster. Your prediction for CeeDee’s season, for instance. Imagine if he had the QB who orchestrated the two greatest WR seasons in nfl history? Or Perhaps a QB in Wilson who’s career postseason passer rating is second alltime? Better than Manning, better than Brady, better than Mahomes.

Dallas can with Dak, absolutely. The greatness of the rest of the roster will simply need to be adjusted to compensate. As with Minnesota, as with Las Vegas, as with Tennessee. Is it easier to do all that than to improve QB1? LA tried for years and decided no. Las Vegas has said yes and will try the other way. Everyone will learn from both instances.

Buddy your talking about all time qb greats and crying we don’t have one. Lol

total waste of time. I’d love oj Simpson and LT too.

no qb wins a sb with this roster and these coaches.

you put Garrett in charge of the rams and they are a shell

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Buddy your talking about all time qb greats and crying we don’t have one. Lol

total waste of time. I’d love oj Simpson and LT too.

no qb wins a sb with this roster and these coaches.

Right! that’s where many of the ruckuses on this board originate: some accept Dak and this roster is the best Dallas can do, and some don’t accept it.

If you know beyond knowing that Dallas doesn’t have a bright future, and that Dak is worth multiple firsts, you can change the course of the franchise. Dallas hasn’t drafted a 1st round QB in over 30 years, only team in the league with that distinction. Aside from the unicorn Brady, the vast majority of these “all time great QBs” were first round guys. In a sense, you get what you pay for.

Try and get a Burrow, a Mahomes, a Rodgers.
Or roll with Dak; both are valid choices

 

[CowboyRoy]

Right! that’s where many of the ruckuses on this board originate: some accept Dak and this roster is the best Dallas can do, and some don’t accept it.

If you know beyond knowing that Dallas doesn’t have a bright future, and that Dak is worth multiple firsts, you can change the course of the franchise. Try and get a Burrow, a Mahomes, a Rodgers.

Dallas hasn’t drafted a 1st round QB in over 30 years, only team in the league with that distinction. Aside from the unicorn Brady, the vast majority of these “all time great QBs” were first round guys. In a sense, you get what you pay for.

Or roll with Dak, both are valid choices

lol….try and get a burrows, Roger’s, or mahomes? Lol

sure buddy, whatever you say.

simple truth is it got nothing to do with qb play in Dallas. It’s all about Jerry sucking at his job. Mahomes would rot in Dallas like the rest.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

lol….try and get a burrows, Roger’s, or mahomes? Lol

sure buddy, whatever you say.

What is the alternative? Accept fate?

Good Enough is now good enough?

Winning Super Bowls isn’t easy. Getting the pieces to do so shouldn’t be either. But to refute the attempt because it isn’t easy is not the way to accomplish difficult things.

 

[Nexx]

Dak leadership > Allen leadership

 

[CowboyRoy]

What is the alternative? Accept fate?

Good Enough is now good enough?

Accept that Jerry sucks and we’re never winning? We have no choice. Your just under some laughable illusion that the qb is the problem. Mahomes rots in Dallas
As just like dak and Romo.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Mahomes rots in Dallas

If Patrick Mahomes was a Dallas Cowboy you’d be a top 4 Super Bowl contender

 

[CowboyRoy]

If Patrick Mahomes was a Dallas Cowboy you’d be a top 4 Super Bowl contender

See….this is where you clearly show a complete lack of football knowledge.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Just like Dak......

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

See….this is where you clearly show a complete lack of football knowledge.

Some QBs play to win the game, and some play not to lose. It’s fair not to blame the QBs who didn’t lose you the game, but in the same vein you should credit the ones who won it for you. There is a class of QB that goes beyond just numbers on a ranking scale. After the first group there is a drop off. Mahomes is in that first group. Dallas’s talent outside the QB isn’t that far off from KC.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Some QBs play to win the game, and some play not to lose. It’s fair not to blame the QBs who didn’t lose you the game, but in the same vein you should credit the ones who won it for you. There is a class of QB that goes beyond just numbers on a ranking scale. After the first group there is a drop off. Mahomes is in that first group. Dallas’s talent outside the QB isn’t that far off from KC.

when mahomes lost a few lineman before the sb two years ago how many points could he muster against the bucs in the SB?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

when mahomes lost a few lineman before the sb two years ago how many points could he muster against the bucs in the SB?

It’s two different conversations we’re having now. Him losing those lineman and yet still making the SB is not good enough, but staying with Dak and hoping for a long-lost NFCCG one day is the better argument?

No QB guarantees you anything, but the opportunity for contention Mahomes presents is profound.