Julius Jones Can Be Easily Replaced In The Draft

[joseephuss]

The only reason I am behind the thread starter is that, (who will remain nameless) is because IMO Barber and said rookie could handle the RB duties on the main basis of Julius wont get paid jack next offseason and will be handed his walking papers. And we have nothing to show for maybe 2 1000 yard seasons.

He was a flash in the pan, either injuries or whatever have already caught up to him but he will want waay too much money for a back in a two back system.

Can Dallas get a 3rd rounder for Jones? I don't know if another team will be willing to part with that high of a pick or higher. I would prefer a 2nd. He is good for the 2007 season. This is the season that Dallas is going to make a run for the Superbowl. He may start, he may not. Either way he helps with RB depth on the team. If he walks for nothing after this year, then so be it. It is worth it. If he starts and has a big year, Jerry may be able to sign him. If not, then Dallas really is not losing anything.

 

[Hostile]

The only reason I am behind the thread starter is that, (who will remain nameless) is because IMO Barber and said rookie could handle the RB duties on the main basis of Julius wont get paid jack next offseason and will be handed his walking papers. And we have nothing to show for maybe 2 1000 yard seasons.

He was a flash in the pan, either injuries or whatever have already caught up to him but he will want waay too much money for a back in a two back system.

Okay, fair enough. Let me ask you this, the best we can likely get for him is a 3rd rounder. What RB slotted for the 3rd round, when combined with Barber's added duties, is going to give us as good or better production than last year?

You see, I see a team on the verge of going all the way, and I prefer not to risk going backwards at running the ball. That could sink our changes faster than a torpedo to the stern.

Or are you suggesting we need to draft a RB in round 1 or 2? Peterson is out of the equation. Marshawn Lynch probably is too. Who are you proposing we acquire?

Maybe it's just me, but I see no guarantee we'd lose Julius after next year. Could we? Yes.

I'd rather hang on to him, have a potent 2 RB system in 2007 and see how far we can go, and lose him at the end of the season, than to send him packing, have lesser results from a 2 RB system in 2007, and not go as far as we can. That's just me.

 

[burmafrd]

Who was it that posted the average yds gained in their rookie season by a first rd RB in the last 10 years was 619 yds? Someone did the work and looked at all backs taken in the draft- and for second rd picks it was only 300 yds or so. JJ got 819 yds his first season so he was WAY above average.
Then for that rookie he has to learn blitz pickups very quickly or maybe your QB is on IR.

 

[WoodysGirl]

The only reason I am behind the thread starter is that, (who will remain nameless) is because IMO Barber and said rookie could handle the RB duties on the main basis of Julius wont get paid jack next offseason and will be handed his walking papers. And we have nothing to show for maybe 2 1000 yard seasons.

He was a flash in the pan, either injuries or whatever have already caught up to him but he will want waay too much money for a back in a two back system.

He can want, but it doesn't mean he will get it. And really, no one knows what kinda deal he's going to want or what the 'boys could/would offer.

Colombo wanted a huge deal, and he got a two-yr deal. Julius is a young running back that doesn't have a whole lot of tread due to injuries and various circumstances. I don't see the need to trade him at this point, because I don't see a rookie in the draft that wows me.

And realistically most of the trades I see for running backs are in the 3rd round or below. I don't see Julius fetching a 2nd or better. If folks think that's what he's worth, then why should the 'boys trade him?

This is Julius prove it year. Last year proved he could go the whole year. This year he will have to prove he can take over games like he did in his first year.

With a new coaching staff, I'm real interested in seeing how he and Barber will be used. Wade has never had a big time running back at his other stops. He's always used two backs. Due to Garrett's background, there's a thinking that he prefers the lead dog approach. Training camp can't get here soon enough.

 

[TheProphet]

If we were the Dallas Cowboys and didn't settle for mediocracy, then yea, I'd probably say yea we'd be looking at this point to upgrade the RB position after 3 failed years with our current experiement. But no, we're not the Dallas Cowboys. Or so the fans of mediocre, injury-prone talent would like you to think we're not. Who are we again? I mean the "JuJo is God" rants shouldn't be coming from a team with the historic-likes of Tony D and Emmitt to draw from.

Every great Cowboy team has feature a great RB. JuJones has been average at best with occasional flashes. He is also injury proned.
Others seem to love what he brings us.

 

[superpunk]

Serious question for those wanting to trade Julius. (See how this can be asked in an EXISTING thread on the topic? Amazing huh?)

First let's set up some facts...

Last year this offense scored 425 points (2 points behind Chicago & Indianapolis, 3 points from 2nd in the NFL), was 3rd in rushing TDs in the NFL, 4th best at not fumbling and at not giving up fumbles, and 13th in the NFL in rushing yardage.

All of this despite a so so Offensive Line.

And now the hook...

Clearly what this offense is doing works, and we have now solidified our Offensive Line. Why is trading our leading rusher at the top of your list of things we absolutely have to do?

The trouble is this draft is so thin on RB. Short of Lynch falling to us in the first, I dont think we can pick anyone out and say "this guy will most likely be an upgrade, dealing Julius can help us."

Why would anyone say that? I think the consensus is that he is in his deal's last year, so getting something for him now is better than getting nothing later.

You picked rushing statistics for our team, of which Julius is a great part - but some of them are heavily influenced by MB3, and so skewed to look alot better. The fact is Julius averaged a very average 4.1 ypc this past year. We keep waiting for him to look special, instead he just looks average and disinterested. The only time he really looked exciting this past year was against Seattle, and one run against New Orleans. This is our home-run threat? Even Luis Aparicio would be ashamed.

So, I don't agree that Julius is that evil that needs immediate repair, lest we fail completely. I hope he gets better. Because our ineffectiveness rushing the ball early in games really put us behind the 8-ball, and put Tony (who also routinely struggled to open games) continually in situations he didn't need to be in.

If we can get a blue-chip prospect at RB, I'd love to deal Julius and pick up an extra mid-rounder. Short of that, I'm not sure I see the need. The only plus would be that instead of having average Julius for one more year, we'd have an average rookie for 4. Unless MB3 is starter material, which I doubt.

 

[burmafrd]

Actually the boys made it to 3 SBs without a "great" rb. Barely lost two and won one big. They lost another SB WITH a great RB.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

FuzzyBumpkins, got some more people here digging their heads in the sand

 

[burmafrd]

we lose players all the time- suddenly its all important we get something for JJ? sure.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

Okay, fair enough. Let me ask you this, the best we can likely get for him is a 3rd rounder. What RB slotted for the 3rd round, when combined with Barber's added duties, is going to give us as good or better production than last year?

You see, I see a team on the verge of going all the way, and I prefer not to risk going backwards at running the ball. That could sink our changes faster than a torpedo to the stern.

Or are you suggesting we need to draft a RB in round 1 or 2? Peterson is out of the equation. Marshawn Lynch probably is too. Who are you proposing we acquire?

Maybe it's just me, but I see no guarantee we'd lose Julius after next year. Could we? Yes.

I'd rather hang on to him, have a potent 2 RB system in 2007 and see how far we can go, and lose him at the end of the season, than to send him packing, have lesser results from a 2 RB system in 2007, and not go as far as we can. That's just me.

I just would prefer that he would be traded, with Barber handling 3rd down duties last year, he proved he could block and catch the ball out of the backfield. He also proved he was a very good short line runner. Add Davis to the equation and I think we are going to have one hell of a power running game at the helm. Plus TT is coming back for his 3rd year and other than experience he can return kicks and be a decent backup.

Using that 3rd round pick I say select BPA but keep an eye on a player who is a smaller scatback like Henry or Kolby Smith simply because in watching the success of Leon Washington last year in NYJ football he showed the league has tended to smaller faster players in some offensive systems.

I wouldnt be mad if he stayed, but would be frustrated if/when he got hurt again during the season next year....then watch him leave as a FA.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

Let's all face facts. Julius Jones is NOTHING SPECIAL. He can be replaced in the draft with relative ease. He will never be much more than adequate. This guy will never come close to ES or TD, he'll never be one of the greats---plus his contract is up. Time to move the guy in my opinion. One good run every 4 games or so, ain't cuttin' it. Plus he's dinged up far to often. Time to upgrade at the RB position. Dump JuJones now. Thoughts?

 

[Hostile]

The trouble is this draft is so thin on RB. Short of Lynch falling to us in the first, I dont think we can pick anyone out and say "this guy will most likely be an upgrade, dealing Julius can help us."

Why would anyone say that? I think the consensus is that he is in his deal's last year, so getting something for him now is better than getting nothing later.

You picked rushing statistics for our team, of which Julius is a great part - but some of them are heavily influenced by MB3, and so skewed to look alot better. The fact is Julius averaged a very average 4.1 ypc this past year. We keep waiting for him to look special, instead he just looks average and disinterested. The only time he really looked exciting this past year was against Seattle, and one run against New Orleans. This is our home-run threat? Even Luis Aparicio would be ashamed.

So, I don't agree that Julius is that evil that needs immediate repair, lest we fail completely. I hope he gets better. Because our ineffectiveness rushing the ball early in games really put us behind the 8-ball, and put Tony (who also routinely struggled to open games) continually in situations he didn't need to be in.

If we can get a blue-chip prospect at RB, I'd love to deal Julius and pick up an extra mid-rounder. Short of that, I'm not sure I see the need. The only plus would be that instead of having average Julius for one more year, we'd have an average rookie for 4. Unless MB3 is starter material, which I doubt.

Riddle me this SP. If we get rid of Julius are we going to be a 1 RB system team or a 2 RB system team?

If you say 1 RB, I'll be shocked because you even mention Lynch. If we bring in Lynch it will be to use him as the feature RB. Or do you disagree? If we can get Lynch, yes, I'd move Julius. If we can't, I wouldn't. The reason is simple, our 2 RB system is working. I see no reason to roll the dice and remove one part that is working when we are this close. If we can improve, and Lynch is the only option I see for that, then I would do it.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. From where I sit, it ain't broke.

 

[Hostile]

I just would prefer that he would be traded, with Barber handling 3rd down duties last year, he proved he could block and catch the ball out of the backfield. He also proved he was a very good short line runner. Add Davis to the equation and I think we are going to have one hell of a power running game at the helm. Plus TT is coming back for his 3rd year and other than experience he can return kicks and be a decent backup.

Using that 3rd round pick I say select BPA but keep an eye on a player who is a smaller scatback like Henry or Kolby Smith simply because in watching the success of Leon Washington last year in NYJ football he showed the league has tended to smaller faster players in some offensive systems.

I wouldnt be mad if he stayed, but would be frustrated if/when he got hurt again during the season next year....then watch him leave as a FA.

I live in Arizona, like Chris Henry very much, and if we took him in the 3rd I would go out of my freaking mind. I prefer Julius to Henry or Smith.

I have very little faith in Tyson Thompson. He is good on sweeps, but not much else. Funny that he is the only RB we have that has gone on IR yet he isn't seen as injury prone.

I love power RBs, and definitely like the way Barber runs. Even in college Barber was in a 2 RB system. I have no desire to wear him down given what he brings to the table.

 

[superpunk]

Riddle me this SP. If we get rid of Julius are we going to be a 1 RB system team or a 2 RB system team?

If you say 1 RB, I'll be shocked because you even mention Lynch. If we bring in Lynch it will be to use him as the feature RB. Or do you disagree? If we can get Lynch, yes, I'd move Julius. If we can't, I wouldn't. The reason is simple, our 2 RB system is working. I see no reason to roll the dice and remove one part that is working when we are this close. If we can improve, and Lynch is the only option I see for that, then I would do it.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. From where I sit, it ain't broke.

1 RB > 2 RB

At least I like it that way. I know how the Colts and Bears did it, etc...but we were 13th in rushing last year. Maybe that ain't "broke", but it ain't hot either.

There are 2 things I didn't like about Parcells' tenure here - retaining Zimmer (retrospectively) and passing on Jackson, necessitating a move to a 2 back system, because of the choices we made following that. I like having one guy.

 

[Hostile]

1 RB > 2 RB

At least I like it that way. I know how the Colts and Bears did it, etc...but we were 13th in rushing last year. Maybe that ain't "broke", but it ain't hot either.

There are 2 things I didn't like about Parcells' tenure here - retaining Zimmer (retrospectively) and passing on Jackson, necessitating a move to a 2 back system, because of the choices we made following that. I like having one guy.

You don't think that an improved OL and an agressive defense can improve that? Man, I do.

 

[joseephuss]

Actually the boys made it to 3 SBs without a "great" rb. Barely lost two and won one big. They lost another SB WITH a great RB.

Landry liked to use a lot of backs. He wanted a great back as any coach does and he also made sure that he had good quality depth. Those teams would use every single back they could find. I think that is what Dallas will do this up coming season and will need to do that to be successful. Julius may not be a great back, but he has proven to be a good back. His 1000 yards was more impressive than Troy Hambricks near 1000 yard 2003 season. Even if Barber ends up starting and getting the bulk of the carries, Julius has shown that he can come in and do some good things for Dallas. Something that any new rookie back hasn't proven.

 

[superpunk]

You don't think that an improved OL and an agressive defense can improve that? Man, I do.

It will allegedly be improved. But that's hardly definite.

I think a RB who can see the holes created by our average line (when they do manage to eek one open) and not go down in arm tackles can also improve upon that. Clearly there is more than one way to skin a cat. An improved RB can make that line look a heck of alot better. Which is why what Frank Gore did this year (with atrocious Oline play) was so impressive.

I'm not saying Julius ALWAYS runs weak, but I've seen enough lanes go untraveled to know it's a trend. That's not a homerun back. A homerun back would make the defense pay for missing their gap, big time. Julius just doesn't - not anymore.

Hopefully everyone's right and Parcells was just some mindless ****** who made all his players do exactly the opposite of what they were best at.

I kind of doubt it, though. Julius probably is what he is - average. An improved Oline and defense isn't going to help him run harder, or with more determination.

 

[Hostile]

It will allegedly be improved. But that's hardly definite.

I think a RB who can see the holes created by our average line (when they do manage to eek one open) and not go down in arm tackles can also improve upon that. Clearly there is more than one way to skin a cat. An improved RB can make that line look a heck of alot better. Which is why what Frank Gore did this year (with atrocious Oline play) was so impressive.

I'm not saying Julius ALWAYS runs weak, but I've seen enough lanes go untraveled to know it's a trend. That's not a homerun back. A homerun back would make the defense pay for missing their gap, big time. Julius just doesn't - not anymore.

Hopefully everyone's right and Parcells was just some mindless ****** who made all his players do exactly the opposite of what they were best at.

I kind of doubt it, though. Julius probably is what he is - average. An improved Oline and defense isn't going to help him run harder, or with more determination.

Ah gotcha. Barber as the feature back is a guarantee, but replacing Rivera isn't.

Okay, issue solved, trade him. [/sarcasm off]

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Julius Jones can be easily replaced in the draft by Marshawn Lynch or Adrian Peterson or Chris Henry

 

[superpunk]

Ah gotcha. Barber as the feature back is a guarantee, but replacing Rivera isn't.

Okay, issue solved, trade him. [/sarcasm off]

Exactly.

That's why I said this earlier;

Unless MB3 is starter material, which I doubt.