La'el Collins Thread - Cleared post 767; visited Cowboys - 05/06/15

Galian Beast said:
Again, it is about the path of least resistance.

There is an argument to come to Dallas, there is also an argument not to come to Dallas. There is also a lot of reasons why he would go to another team; the ability to definitely start right away, to play with his friends, a team that is competitive historically, a nice location to live, hell he might want to stay in Louisiana and play for the Saints.
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Any of those are distinct possibilities and I don't rule any of them out. But, as I want him in Dallas, I choose to accentuate the many positives in their favor.
 
CooterBrown said:
My thoughts on this guy: his agent screwed him badly. By announcing during the draft that he would not sign a contract if he didn't go in the first two rounds, and would then enter next years draft, he chased away anyone who might have taken a Late round risk. And, because teams wouldn't throw away a draft pick on someone who already said he wouldn't sign, he didn't get drafted. And because he didn't get drafted, he is not eligible for next years draft. His agent should have encouraged teams to draft him late just to maintain his draft eligibility for next draft, spent a year getting him in optimum condition, get his legal stuff cleared, and netted millions as a first round pick. I can see this guy suing his agent.
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I think the real goal was for him to be a udfa.
 
ABQCOWBOY said:
No, he's not a number 1 receiving threat but he's a lot better then a lot of guys playing 3rd WR in the NFL right now. His chemistry with Romo was a tangent thing. At worst, he would have come back to Dallas, if not for Concussions. I agree with you. He may not be the most intelligent guy, I don't really know, but I 100% believe that concussions, and not talent, are why he is no longer in the NFL.
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I was talking about Collins.

Robinson got cut by the Jaguars after 1 year of basically no production. Even the vet minimum was too high for this guy after that, especially with the concussions. He wasn't worth a roster spot.
 
Galian Beast said:
"Collins’s representatives are saying that if he’s not selected in Rounds 2 or 3, he won’t play. If a team drafts him in Round 4 or later, he’ll decline to sign with that team, and he also wouldn’t sign as an undrafted free agent. Instead, Collins would re-enter the 2016 draft."

Sounds like they didn't know the rules to me...
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He can re-enter the draft in 2016 if he was drafted. He can't re-enter the draft because he was not drafted.
 
Galian Beast said:
I don't think he is out of the league just because of concussions, but also because he isn't a great player. I think he would still be playing here today had he not left to the Jaguars. He fit the system well and had a connection with Tony.

He clearly doesn't have a good agent; I think we've established that already. And I don't think he is smart enough to realize what his value is.

I give him almost no chance of coming here, but what is worse is there are no reports of our efforts, which seem to be the case far too many times with players.
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No, Laurent Robinson is unequivocally out of the league because of concussions.
 
Alexander said:
Dallas' OL carries the "best in the NFL" label. So he is going to think like we do and even know who Leary or Doug Free is? As far as he is concerned, this is a loaded OL that he cannot step onto the field from day one as a starter.
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Anyone can see exactly where the strengths and weaknesses of the Cowboys' offensive line lies. As a player, he's looking for his best individual fit.

Consider if the Cowboys had drafted him where he was scheduled to go in Round 1. Would he not have started over either Leary or Free then? Why should things now be any different?

Nor do I think for one second Jerry or Stephen Jones would guarantee him a starting job.
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I think they certainly would. Do you remember them wanting to trade up for Trai Turner last year? Whose job do you think he would have taken? The same one that would be given to Collins now. Leary's LG spot. The Cowboys would improve and also have terrific depth for another year at least.
 
Alexander said:
Dallas' OL carries the "best in the NFL" label. So he is going to think like we do and even know who Leary or Doug Free is? As far as he is concerned, this is a loaded OL that he cannot step onto the field from day one as a starter. Nor do I think for one second Jerry or Stephen Jones would guarantee him a starting job.
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They could just show him this:
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stasheroo said:
Anyone can see exactly where the strengths and weaknesses of the Cowboys' offensive line lies. As a player, he's looking for his best individual fit.
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Players even ones already in the league don't think to that level of detail. If they did, you would probably not see player Pro Bowl voting the equivalent of a popularity contest.

Consider if the Cowboys had drafted him where he was scheduled to go in Round 1. Would he not have started over either Leary or Free then? Why should things now be any different?
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Because he has no choice in that scenario. Big difference there.

I think they certainly would. Do you remember them wanting to trade up for Trai Turner last year? Whose job do you think he would have taken? The same one that would be given to Collins now. Leary's LG spot. The Cowboys would improve and also have terrific depth for another year at least.
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Again, big difference between committing in the draft to getting a player to compete versus trying to recruit that player, which is essentially what this is. Collins has all the choice in the matter and it would be a hard sell to tell him he would get the job. If drafted, his money probably gives him a leg up. Not the case here at all. Totally different.

It is very clear you are being hopeful as you have already admitted. But he is going to be making a business decision what is best for his future and your selling points are going to fall short because other teams can roll out a red carpet in comparison.
 
xwalker said:
They could just show him this:
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Cute, but another point is that he is likely going to want to go to a team that not only rolls out a starting opportunity but also at left tackle.

That is where he would get the biggest payday, not at right tackle on a team that down the road when he is due for his next contract will have to pay Frederick and Martin. There is only so much money to go around and he (or especially his agent) is going to look at that very hard.
 
Galian Beast said:
Exactly, I could have made the argument that Laurent Robinson should have stayed in Dallas and taken less money in the short term as opposed to going to Jacksonville, but what really happened?
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If money was the same do you really think that Robinson would have left?
 
Galian Beast said:
Tell that to Wes Welker...
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Robinson is out of the league, as X indicates, because of Concussions. I mean, there is really no question about that. He did not have a great season in Jacksonville because he missed so many games. He was not available to practice and that really killed him. I don't think it was because he sucked. I think it was because the Doctors told him that he needed to hang it up and teams were not really interested in a guy who was a chronic concussion concern as a 3rd WR. As to Welker, well, he has no barring on the Robinson situation. He made his decision and he will live with the consequences of it. Same for Robinson I suppose.
 
The teams courting him the hardest are the Giants, Dolphins, Buccaneers and Bills.

I wonder why that is. Oh yes, they are not exactly teams that have "set" starters at the moment across the OL. And as much as people assume Leary and Free are on shaky ground, they are a lot firmer than any of these teams' personnel in the group.
 
ABQCOWBOY said:
Robinson is out of the league, as X indicates, because of Concussions. I mean, there is really no question about that. He did not have a great season in Jacksonville because he missed so many games. He was not available to practice and that really killed him. I don't think it was because he sucked. I think it was because the Doctors told him that he needed to hang it up and teams were not really interested in a guy who was a chronic concussion concern as a 3rd WR. As to Welker, well, he has no barring on the Robinson situation. He made his decision and he will live with the consequences of it. Same for Robinson I suppose.
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The difference is teams were willing to take the risk with welker because he is talented, with robinson? Not worth the risk.
 
http://www.***BLOCKED***/podcast/ross-tucker-football-podcast/e/37929583?autoplay=true

Everyone who is interested in this player should listen to this.
 
Galian Beast said:
The difference is teams were willing to take the risk with welker because he is talented, with robinson? Not worth the risk.
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No. The difference is that Welker has chosen to play, regardless of Doctors advice. The Cowboys, if I am not mistaken, were actually interested in bringing Robinson back (for a price) but he did not pursue it. I think Robinson decided to hang it up. Now, who really knows, I could be dead wrong because I don't have all the facts but honestly, what difference? To me, they don't really have any bearing on the Collins situation.
 
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