La'el Collins Thread - Cleared post 767; visited Cowboys - 05/06/15

[jterrell]

But he's not, is he? He will make the same money over the first 3 years no matter who he signs with.

But in saying he was willing to sit out the year and earn 0 dollars clearly shows that he's not desperate for money today and that won't be the determining factor in where he goes.

no, he won't make the same money.

his money will be:
the total of his signing bonus... between 0 and 88K.
the base salary which is the same ~1.5m
and **performance based play based upon number of starts/snaps.

have seen it reported he is ineligible for Performance pay but recall Leary receiving it, so assume he IS eligible as overthecap reports.

the biggest factors are likely guaranteed money, playing left tackle(by far most lucrative ol position), bonus(anything that lessens any loan or interest he must pay), starting position, endorsements packages, winning.

 

[Stash]

No your right no one in the NFL needs a LT except for Dallas, we are hurting so badly on the OL where everyone else is in great shape.

I am right in the fact that you keep making the claim and then keep failing to provide a legitimate example.

 

[jterrell]

He might be growing up.

Jerry spent big on OL here but they bombed generally. Leonard Davis, Ron Rivera and others.
Big Bill was supposed to be an OL savant but his early OL picks almost universally sucked.

I don't think Jerry devalued OL as much as he saw the team win 5 games a year 3 years in a row when all we had was an OL.

When Jimmy left the only thing we could draft was OL. We flopped on about every other position on the team.

 

[jterrell]

I am right in the fact that you keep making the claim and then keep failing to provide a legitimate example.

Sea and Mia are the two I'd be most concerned about.

Beatty is pretty terrible in NYG as well. And there are a solid handful of middle of the raod vets that are vastly overpaid but could be cut if Collins signed.

 

[Doomsday101]

I am right in the fact that you keep making the claim and then keep failing to provide a legitimate example.

Your right because you say so. I gave example, being under contract really means little if a players production is failing, teams cut and release players every year. Claiming no one needs a LT please sell it to someone else. I take it there are 32 great LT in the NFL well that is news to me.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Sea and Mia are the two I'd be most concerned about.

Yup, neither state levies an income tax. Seattle hasn't come knocking yet so I think the race is between Dallas and Miami

 

[Stash]

no, he won't make the same money.

his money will be:
the total of his signing bonus... between 0 and 88K.
the base salary which is the same ~1.5m
and **performance based play based upon number of starts/snaps.

have seen it reported he is ineligible for Performance pay but recall Leary receiving it, so assume he IS eligible as overthecap reports.

the biggest factors are likely guaranteed money, playing left tackle(by far most lucrative ol position), bonus(anything that lessens any loan or interest he must pay), starting position, endorsements packages, winning.

I think you're mistaken.

So ...

• Collins' deal (with whoever he signs) will be for three years and worth a total of $1.575 million in base salary. It breaks down like this: Year 1, $435K; Year 2, $525K; Year 3, $615K. Those are the minimum salaries each year for a player with his experience. Add it all together it equals $1.575 million. At least all of the $1.575 million can be guaranteed.

• Teams can not significantly sweeten the package with incentives. Any escalators (for playing time or games played, etc.) would have to be carved out of the money already coming to him.



You can give him more up front in a signing bonus, but the total can only be $1.575 million.

 

[jterrell]

Yup, neither state levies an income tax. Seattle hasn't come knocking yet so I think the race is between Dallas and Miami

SEA has reportedly shown interest but is keeping it more quiet. I have seen a handful suggest they are actually favorites.
This is probably because adding Collins means cutting underperforming Okung.

 

[hornitosmonster]

SEA has reportedly shown interest but is keeping it more quiet. I have seen a handful suggest they are actually favorites. This is probably because adding Collins means cutting underperforming Okung.

It has to be beneficial to our team that cost of living has to factor in where he signs. Seattle is super expensive to live in

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...,+TX&country2=United+States&city2=Seattle,+WA

 

[Zordon]

I LOVE the tactic.

Romo and the offensive line sitting across from him saying, "WE WANT TO BUILD THE GREATEST OFFENSIVE LINE OF ALL TIME."

That's a powerful sales pitch.

imagine a kid from baton rouge taking that drive thru preston hollow/highland park to get to jerry's house....i'm sure his eyes were as big as a fish's.

 

[Stash]

Your right because you say so. I gave example, being under contract really means little if a players production is failing, teams cut and release players every year.

You gave a terrible example. and one which has clearly been shown to be terrible. Deal with that.

Claiming no one needs a LT please sell it to someone else. I take it there are 32 great LT in the NFL well that is news to me.

And yet, here you are, continuing to flop around like a fish out of water, unable to provide anything other than your own opinion.

I'm not 'selling' you anything, what I am doing is refuting your opinions with facts.

Based on what you've provided in this thread thus far, there is a lot that is 'news to you'.

 

[RastaRocket]

He was going to sit out a season where he would make no money...

Yes, but he also had a first round grade. If he waited one year he'd make it up in no time With a much higher salary the following year. Why else would he sit out based upon the day he was drafted?

 

[erod]

I think you're mistaken.

So ...

• Collins' deal (with whoever he signs) will be for three years and worth a total of $1.575 million in base salary. It breaks down like this: Year 1, $435K; Year 2, $525K; Year 3, $615K. Those are the minimum salaries each year for a player with his experience. Add it all together it equals $1.575 million. At least all of the $1.575 million can be guaranteed.

• Teams can not significantly sweeten the package with incentives. Any escalators (for playing time or games played, etc.) would have to be carved out of the money already coming to him.



You can give him more up front in a signing bonus, but the total can only be $1.575 million.

But you can help with off-the-field endorsements, and as a unit, this offensive line could do some things outside of football.

 

[erod]

Yes, but he also had a first round grade. If he waited one year he'd make it up in no time With a much higher salary the following year. Why else would he sit out based upon the day he was drafted?

He is not eligible to re-enter the draft.

 

[jterrell]

I think you're mistaken.

So ...

• Collins' deal (with whoever he signs) will be for three years and worth a total of $1.575 million in base salary. It breaks down like this: Year 1, $435K; Year 2, $525K; Year 3, $615K. Those are the minimum salaries each year for a player with his experience. Add it all together it equals $1.575 million. At least all of the $1.575 million can be guaranteed.

• Teams can not significantly sweeten the package with incentives. Any escalators (for playing time or games played, etc.) would have to be carved out of the money already coming to him.



You can give him more up front in a signing bonus, but the total can only be $1.575 million.

no you are mistaken.

he can be paid between 0 and 88k as a sweetener that DOES NOT come out of his base salary which can't possibly be lowered because it is the minimum already.

he can not have additional incentives in the contract.
instead all rookies operate under a performance based pool and guys like Leary have made a decent check out of that for far exceeding their salary.

 

[jterrell]

But you can help with off-the-field endorsements, and as a unit, this offensive line could do some things outside of football.

this is sticky territory because they can not actually hand him endorsements.
they can show him examples or indicate how much more in endorsements their OTs make from other teams but they can not place contracts in front of him from others.

 

[Stash]

Sea and Mia are the two I'd be most concerned about.

Beatty is pretty terrible in NYG as well. And there are a solid handful of middle of the raod vets that are vastly overpaid but could be cut if Collins signed.

Beatty is one I could see, but they did just use their 1st rounder on Flowers too and have Pugh set at RT. They would have to juggle quite a few pieces to force Collins in at starting LT this year.

Miami not only paid huge for Brandon Albert at LT, but the drafted their RT of the future last year.

Okung is the LT in Seattle and they drafted their own RT last year too.

I think anyone who would promise him a LT spot would be juggling their line to do it.

 

[speedkilz88]

SEA has reportedly shown interest but is keeping it more quiet. I have seen a handful suggest they are actually favorites.
This is probably because adding Collins means cutting underperforming Okung.

Free is not going to be seen as a bigger obstacle than Okung. And Collins is universally called a G/RT prospect by the scouts.

 

[Galian Beast]

no you are mistaken.

he can be paid between 0 and 88k as a sweetener that DOES NOT come out of his base salary which can't possibly be lowered because it is the minimum already.

he can not have additional incentives in the contract.
instead all rookies operate under a performance based pool and guys like Leary have made a decent check out of that for far exceeding their salary.

That's inaccurate, the signing bonus comes directly from the total salary.

 

[perrykemp]

As an udfa it wouldn't matter what position on oline he'd go for now. Max he can get is 3 years 1.57 million. Only better he can get if it's fully guaranteed.

With an additional $400K per year or so in NFL performance bonuses since he'll be a UDFA starting 16 games.