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[waldoputty]

This thread is way out of hand.

I can't help but wonder, doesn't cutting have almost everything to do with his knee and almost nothing to do with his foot? You can cut with a brace. Doesn't that make the cutting argument meaningless?

@FuzzyLumpkins can answer this a lot better.
I was told that cutting requires the same muscle that causes foot drop if the nerve is not connected.
The difference is that the muscle has to move (turn?) so a brace cannot to that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

@FuzzyLumpkins can answer this a lot better.
I was told that cutting requires the same muscle that causes foot drop if the nerve is not connected.
The difference is that the muscle has to move (turn?) so a brace cannot to that.

The muscle does not just lift the foot. It also arcs the foot outwards as well as up. Its not significant but it adds stability and fluidity to the cutting motion as opposed to the brace which is more or less a club pushing off the ground.

 

[Wood]

Perhaps "you" should just appreciate their perspective and then go ahead and assign your own likelihoods based on whatever it is you decide what makes the most sense without taking issue with anything at all. Why should a poster being a doctor, or reading up on a reported injury for that matter, give you anything whatsoever to take issue with anyway?

For the record, unless I've missed them, there's been zero offering of medical updates here, only posters talking about likely outcomes based on medical generalities from similar injuries.

Also for the record, your assumption that we'd have heard of specific medical changes is not a good one in my book. Significant medical information about players on NFI or pup lists is missed or not reported or underreported or gotten flat wrong all the time.

I work in heath care field and find it irresponsible when he has zero factual basis.

Here is exact quote from him (which he has since removed):

"He's already regained some dorsiflexion strength, no longer has foot drop, and his push-off is almost full."

Now how would he know Jaylne Smith no longer has foot drop yet he is still walking around with device. Unless he has one bit of evidence his entire credibility falls apart.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Seems like CPT doesn't understand that the injury to the peroneal nerve occurred in the knee.

 

[waldoputty]

I work in heath care field and find it irresponsible when he has zero factual basis.

I know many MDs.
It is difficult for me to believe that a MD would say stuff with absolutely no basis for a silly football argument.
Especially when he has said things like the quality of the recovery for an injury of this type and magnitude is quite predictable based on thousands of similar cases.

 

[Wood]

I know many MDs.
It is difficult for me to believe that a MD would say stuff with absolutely no basis for a silly football argument.
Especially when he has said things like the quality of the recovery for an injury of this type and magnitude is quite predictable based on thousands of similar cases.

I stand by my words. There is not one single piece of evidence that Jaylon Smith no longer has drop foot. Everyone is hoping this turns out to be home run but stop the misinformation.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I stand by my words. There is not one single piece of evidence that Jaylon Smith no longer has drop foot. Everyone is hoping this turns out to be home run but stop the misinformation.

Him not wearing his brace would be evidence.

 

[waldoputty]

I stand by my words. There is not one single piece of evidence that Jaylon Smith no longer has drop foot. Everyone is hoping this turns out to be home run but stop the misinformation.

Did you read over the cutting argument in the last 5 pages?
That is public information from Jaylon and Brandt

 

[Wood]

Him not wearing his brace would be evidence.

him not wearing his device during training would be evidence. I fixed it for you.

 

[Wood]

Did you read over the cutting argument in the last 5 pages?
That is public information from Jaylon and Brandt

Gil Brandt stated that he was running and cutting with device on. Smith had already been running for several months. Jaylon as of last week told reporters he was still wearing device. Not one single report has mentioned Smith no longer has drop foot. When you see Jaylon tweet a picture with device laying on ground and saying "no longer need this"....then its game on and not minute before.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

him not wearing his device during training would be evidence. I fixed it for you.

No, him not needing his brace on day to day activities would be evidence that the peroneal was flexing. He has flat out said he needed it to walk.

Him not wearing his brace while training would be evidence that he was close to playing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Gil Brandt stated that he was running and cutting with device on. Smith had already been running for several months. Jaylon as of last week told reporters he was still wearing device. Not one single report has mentioned Smith no longer has drop foot. When you see Jaylon tweet a picture with device laying on ground and saying "no longer need this"....then its game on and not minute before.

No he didn't.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...owboys-started-dak-prescott-healthy-tony-romo

Barry Horn: Did Jaylon [Smith] give you any insight into his knee [when they had dinner together recently]?

Gil Brandt: He's feeling good. I think that he could come back later on this season, maybe the 13th-14th game of the season. Now he's doing everything. He tells me he's cutting on it and so forth.

Dinner with good friends. pic.twitter.com/gDlTEXd3kl

— Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) October 11, 2016
And we got a picture up on my Twitter account (above) and I look like I'm a little guy compared to him. He is a big guy that can run fast and is highly productive at Notre Dame. He might have been the best Notre Dame linebacker that they ever had there. I think coming out of the draft last year if he'd been healthy he'd been a pick in the top 5.

 

[waldoputty]

Gil Brandt stated that he was running and cutting with device on. Smith had already been running for several months. Jaylon as of last week told reporters he was still wearing device. Not one single report has mentioned Smith no longer has drop foot. When you see Jaylon tweet a picture with device laying on ground and saying "no longer need this"....then its game on and not minute before.

Cutting is the key.
The muscle needs to do something to cut, which requries the nerve making some level of connection.
A brace can provide support and insured he does not get further injury.
But the brace cannot make the motion for cutting.
If I remember correctly, Jaylon specifically said in one interview that he is cutting recently but he could not do it before.
I believe this was in the last 8 weeks.

 

[Wood]

No, him not needing his brace on day to day activities would be evidence that the peroneal was flexing. He has flat out said he needed it to walk.

Him not wearing his brace while training would be evidence that he was close to playing.

the only way you would know he doesnt have drop foot is seeing him walk without the device. What I saw was still picture of him sitting on ground without device. Again, zero evidence he no longer has drop foot. Trust me, If Jaylon Smith no longer has drop foot...you would know, your family would know...even your future kids would know. It would be huge news.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Cutting is the key.
The muscle needs to do something to cut.
A brace can provide support and insured he does not get further injury.
But the brace cannot make the motion for cutting.
If I remember correctly, Jaylon specifically said in one interview that he is cutting recently but he could not do it before.
I believe this was in the last 8 weeks.

You can cut with the brace on. It's just not very graceful because there is no flexibility at the foot. The peroneal is not required to cut. It is required to do it fluidly.

 

[waldoputty]

the only way you would know he doesnt have drop foot is seeing him walk without the device. What I saw was still picture of him sitting on ground without device. Again, zero evidence he no longer has drop foot. Trust me, If Jaylon Smith no longer has drop foot...you would know, your family would know...even your future kids would know. It would be huge news.

The foot drop is just one of the problems with the nerve injury.
The key is can he cut, run, turn etc.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

the only way you would know he doesnt have drop foot is seeing him walk without the device. What I saw was still picture of him sitting on ground without device. Again, zero evidence he no longer has drop foot. Trust me, If Jaylon Smith no longer has drop foot...you would know, your family would know...even your future kids would know. It would be huge news.

So you think he took the brace off and then put shoes on? You think he was just glued to that chair and gathering his nieces up without the brace? Maybe but it seems doubtful to me.

I agree that it is not definitive but that doesn't make it meaningless.

Why would we know particularly if the Cowboys were taking steps to hide the rehab progress? You are aware that the coaches and trainers are typically coy on recovery and rehabs right? It's not like sports journalists are elite investigators. Not in the slightest.

 

[Wood]

Cutting is the key.
The muscle needs to do something to cut, which requries the nerve making some level of connection.
A brace can provide support and insured he does not get further injury.
But the brace cannot make the motion for cutting.
If I remember correctly, Jaylon specifically said in one interview that he is cutting recently but he could not do it before.
I believe this was in the last 8 weeks.

Cutting just means his ACL/LCL injury healed correctly it does nothing to address the drop foot he has....thus the device is still on.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Cutting just means his ACL/LCL injury healed correctly it does nothing to address the drop foot he has....thus the device is still on.

Prove he still has the device on in his rehab and day to day.

 

[Wood]

So you think he took the brace off and then put shoes on? You think he was just glued to that chair and gathering his nieces up without the brace? Maybe but it seems doubtful to me.

I agree that it is not definitive but that doesn't make it meaningless.

Why would we know particularly if the Cowboys were taking steps to hide the rehab progress? You are aware that the coaches and trainers are typically coy on recovery and rehabs right? It's not like sports journalists are elite investigators. Not in the slightest.

this has been covered. Its very very common for people with disabilities to take their devices off at home. If he posted a video of him walking around at home without device and I saw no "drag" of his foot...then we could make educated guess that the drop foot has resolved.

what your trying to state is that still picture of someone sitting on floor without device constitutes the drop foot is gone is just silly.