Let's all just get it off our chest; Carp was a bad draftpick

Cowboy Junkie said:
Thats exactly what I am saying....
Carp suppose to be NFL ready and contribute right away( He is NOt)

Lawson suppose to be a year away.( he will contribute right away)

I watched alot of Lawson this preseason and he looks good , real good.
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He starts on a lousy team. He did zip against Dallas in preseason.

Carp could start if needed. The talent in front of him is the only thing preventing that IMO.
 
junk said:
He starts on a lousy team. He did zip against Dallas in preseason.

Carp could start if needed. The talent in front of him is the only thing preventing that IMO.
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I hope you are right but do you really think Greg Ellis as a 31 yr old just starting to play linebacker could beat out a Ware if this was Ware's rookie year this year?

If Carp was anywhere near as talented as Ware , Ellis would would not be starting , Rookie or not...
 
Qwickdraw said:
I personally wanted Marcus McNeill and Greg Jennings.

Right now, looks like both are starting for their teams.
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I liked Marcus McNeill as well until I heard that his back is hamburger. I don't see him having a long career in the league. This is a collision sport and you aren't going to last long in the league coming in as a lineman with back issues. Back issues tend to get worse with time, not better.
 
Right... season hasnt even started yet and he is already on his way to become a bust. come on man give him some time. look at Bradie James, his first couple of years he was virtually a non-factor and this past year he stepped up to be one of our best players on D. Would i have liked him to show more, well yeah but not everyone just goes to the pros and lights it up. many rookies need some games and others take a year or 2 till they make an impact. i dont think it will take Carpenter that long though
 
i can't decide on carp... that being said, there really was no better pick at 18. i think the best option, and one widely hoped for in the zone was a trade down for additional picks. i'm sure they tried but i doubt many teams were looking to move up to that spot.
 
BigDFan5 said:
I noticed the color issue a long time ago I just never mentioned it. But you are spot on.
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That issue runs both ways. It's a shame but it is a fact.
 
It would seem like a bad pick to a person who can only envision scenarios for the next month. He signed about a 5 year deal.

Id say wait and see and exactly what alternative pick do you have that would have been better.
 
Cowboy Junkie said:
I hope you are right but do you really think Greg Ellis as a 31 yr old just starting to play linebacker could beat out a Ware if this was Ware's rookie year this year?

If Carp was anywhere near as talented as Ware , Ellis would would not be starting , Rookie or not...
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Different situations, but possibly. Ware was also a much higher pick than Carpenter. Spears is a better comparison. How long in before Spears was the starter?

I don't think anyone really expected the Ellis situation to work out as well as it appears to. Ellis was pouting, he doubted he could make the switch and most of us laymen didn't think he could make the switch.

Even if he hadn't been able to, I wouldn't have been surprised to see Singleton start a few games before Carpenter worked his way in.
 
junk said:
:rolleyes:

For all the people that wanted Manny, you are totally contradicting yourselves. Parcells himself said they thought Lawson was a couple of years away and they drafted Carpenter because he could contribute sooner.

So, throw the Lawson comparision out the window because they'd be in the same boat.
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I didn't know anything about Wimbley, Lawson or Carpenter, but I remember many people saying that Carpenter was the best pick, because he could help the team with his solid play right from the start.

Now it seems he can't beat out a DE on the downside of his career making the switch to outside LB.

And people react angrily because a couple of posters have their doubts about the guy?

Heck, I have doubts about every player until they prove their worth. What's wrong with that?

Ellis was replaced in the starting linup at some point last year. And I am hoping that Carpenter can make the coaches comfortable enough to do the same this year.

People keep bringing up Bradie James, but he was a 3rd or 4th rd pick. Those guys should not be expected to start right away.

Also, James struggled the 1st couple of years at outside LB, he did not take off until he was moved inside. I'm wondering if Carpenter will have to stay on the inside to become a legit NFL player.

If so, the Cowboys will still need to add an outside backer.
 
I don't think reggie bush is technically going to start either, talk about a bust he was taken #2.:rolleyes:
 
jobberone said:
A few years back we took a player in the first. He got moved around a little. It looked like we didn't quite get our monies worth. He finally settled in on a great team and became one of the greatest Cowboys ever.

It's just too premature to judge someone from this year's draft.
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Let's hope the number works it's magic again.
 
superpunk said:
we'll be old men by then. And have saggy eyes. Hairy backs. Hair in our ears, noses and throats. Football will be called Zagblot and will be played by 300 foot tall martians.

Time is of the essence.
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You describe me to a T
 
jay cee said:
I didn't know anything about Wimbley, Lawson or Carpenter, but I remember many people saying that Carpenter was the best pick, because he could help the team with his solid play right from the start.

Now it seems he can't beat out a DE on the downside of his career making the switch to outside LB.

And people react angrily because a couple of posters have their doubts about the guy?

Heck, I have doubts about every player until they prove their worth. What's wrong with that?

Ellis was replaced in the starting linup at some point last year. And I am hoping that Carpenter can make the coaches comfortable enough to do the same this year.

People keep bringing up Bradie James, but he was a 3rd or 4th rd pick. Those guys should not be expected to start right away.

Also, James struggled the 1st couple of years at outside LB, he did not take off until he was moved inside. I'm wondering if Carpenter will have to stay on the inside to become a legit NFL player.

If so, the Cowboys will still need to add an outside backer.
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You're wrong on a couple of counts. First, most people thought Carpenter wouldn't start from the beginning of the season way back at the time of the draft. The most commen scenario I heard was that Singleton would start the season and Carpenter might take over part way through. The original post didn't suggest "just a few questions" about Carpenter, it clearly stated he was a bad pick. I don't know if most people were angry, but I for one didn't like being told what we all were thinking, he didn't ask my opinion. Then the shell game started, the poster constantly changing his position. Sort of like you did, chaning "he's a bad pick" to "just asking a few questions". I guess that's how you get a lot of posts on a thread. For the most part people who disagree just made solid points with facts, if you can't refute them it doesn't mean they're angry with you.
 
Qwickdraw said:
I'm not calling him a bust so calm down.
And don't give me this transition stuff.

Don't we have a few guys dressing and even starting from our 2nd round draftpick on?

Our 1st rounder looks like he may not even dress for some games early on.
And I didn't see ANYTHING from him in the preseason.

Let's face it, it seems like a bad pick.
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I think in his third season you're gonna have to re-register in this forum with a different nickname behind this prediction.
 
This type of thread is typical of a Cowboys fan. Sigh....Carpenter's selection is a kin to rookies that were drafted by the Boys during the 90's. How many of them were going to start right off the bat. Kinda hard to get on the field from the first snap when you already have good players in front of you. Face it guys, the talent level on this team, especially defensively, is rising. Over the next few years, WE WON'T BE LOOKING FOR STARTERS IN THE DRAFT. We'll be looking for guys to come in a play roles if we continue on the up and up like we are now. We're probably going to start one rookie in Watkins, that's enough. Carp will have plenty of time to grow. The other side of the ball is a different animal. To call Carpenter a bad selection so prematurely is idiotic and typical of the overreactionary, fickle, Cowboy fan. One thing Carp has is pedigree and talent. That's the main reason to remain optimistic.
 
Drederick Tatum said:
I think in his third season you're gonna have to re-register in this forum with a different nickname behind this prediction.
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Not really. By then he'll figure everyone has forgotten and proclaim he called it from the beginning.
 
jay cee said:
I didn't know anything about Wimbley, Lawson or Carpenter, but I remember many people saying that Carpenter was the best pick, because he could help the team with his solid play right from the start.

Now it seems he can't beat out a DE on the downside of his career making the switch to outside LB.

And people react angrily because a couple of posters have their doubts about the guy?

Heck, I have doubts about every player until they prove their worth. What's wrong with that?

Ellis was replaced in the starting linup at some point last year. And I am hoping that Carpenter can make the coaches comfortable enough to do the same this year.

People keep bringing up Bradie James, but he was a 3rd or 4th rd pick. Those guys should not be expected to start right away.

Also, James struggled the 1st couple of years at outside LB, he did not take off until he was moved inside. I'm wondering if Carpenter will have to stay on the inside to become a legit NFL player.

If so, the Cowboys will still need to add an outside backer.
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I liked Wimbley as well.

However, it's way too early to be calling someone a bad pick. In fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone drafted around Carpenter that would be starting right now for the Cowboys had they drafted someone different.
 
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