Let's all just get it off our chest; Carp was a bad draftpick

[iceberg]

The problem is that having the best corps of linebackers is not going to win you anything, it's about balance and that means gradually adding parts to benefit the whole team, not just one unit. Over emphasizing linebackers and tight ends and neglecting the other units aint going to cut it. We have just 2 qb's, one of whom has never started an NFL game and is an undrafted free agent and our best linemen were here before Parcells came here and I like our rbs', but if Julius Jones goes down again with an injury, our running game is in big trouble. Barber is strictly a backup because he has no speed or moves. Yes, we've got maybe the deepest linebacking core in the NFL, but we're paper thin at receiver and extremely fragile at the OL and qb positions.

i'm a balance fanatic also, kartr - but that doesn't mean i'm gonna label people a "bust" simply because i didn't get my way.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

IMO Davin Joseph wouldn't have been a bad pick.

But even he probably wouldn't start immediately, just like Carpenter isn't.

 

[superpunk]

The problem is that having the best corps of linebackers is not going to win you anything, it's about balance and that means gradually adding parts to benefit the whole team, not just one unit. Over emphasizing linebackers and tight ends and neglecting the other units aint going to cut it. We have just 2 qb's, one of whom has never started an NFL game and is an undrafted free agent and our best linemen were here before Parcells came here and I like our rbs', but if Julius Jones goes down again with an injury, our running game is in big trouble. Barber is strictly a backup because he has no speed or moves. Yes, we've got maybe the deepest linebacking core in the NFL, but we're paper thin at receiver and extremely fragile at the OL and qb positions.

Do you watch the games? Or just listen to commentary. With a couple hits on UDFAs, we went from paper thin at receiver, to quite deep and promising.

We have the deepest defense in the league. Yes. The league. Find another team with the pieces to rotate in along the front seven that we have. Find another team that has three top notch corners, an all-pro safety, and a real promising young kid to fill the lone question mark on that defense.

Our OL has pass blocked extremely well this offseason. It's been addressed. Maybe not to your satisfaction, but it's been addressed. Bledsoe is durable, if nothing else. I am sketchy on the RB situation, but you can't go in being scared of getting hurt, that's not how things work.

Sorry, take your clouds somewhere else. This is an extremely balanced, deep team. One of the most talented defenses in the league.

 

[LD Fan]

I understood perfectly that you didn't mean draft Jennings in the first and I think that they did too, it's just that when we criticize and second guess BP, the homers look at it as disloyalty. This is a board intended for the free exchange of ideas about football.

Kartr

So you're a mind reader too? No, I didn't read the original post as suggesting trading down.....because it wasn't written or implied. That came later as a way of changing the debate.

Call me/us homer's if you like but you're wrong in my case. I don't give BP a pass on anything and have questions of my own. I just take a different approach. If I disagree with something he does, I put on the record what I would have done different and why I think it would be better.

Given the advantage of hindsight, we all can look like a genius. In this case, even hindsight didn't work for the original post.

 

[kartr]

i'm a balance fanatic also, kartr - but that doesn't mean i'm gonna label people a "bust" simply because i didn't get my way.

I'm not saying Carpenter is a bust or will be one, I'm just saying I don't think he was the best choice. He'll probably be fine eventually, but again, that's not the way I think about a first round pick. The first rounder should be an impact player, a game changer, not the support guy.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm not saying Carpenter is a bust or will be one, I'm just saying I don't think he was the best choice. He'll probably be fine eventually, but again, that's not the way I think about a first round pick. The first rounder should be an impact player, a game changer, not the support guy.

And who says he will not be that in time?

You get a top O-Lineman in the draft and sometimes it takes them time before they are starters at the position you draft them at.

You get a WR in the first and sometimes they only come in on 3/4 WR sets until they get time in the league.

You get a QB in the top of the draft and sometimes they sit for a year or two.

Some players play limited time the first year or so.

 

[LD Fan]

I'm not saying Carpenter is a bust or will be one, I'm just saying I don't think he was the best choice. He'll probably be fine eventually, but again, that's not the way I think about a first round pick. The first rounder should be an impact player, a game changer, not the support guy.

I think you're right about being a game changer in the top half of the first round, but after you get past 12-15 I doubt statistics would bear you out. Did you have a problem with Spears last year? Using that criteria, D Ware is a bust at this point too.

 

[kartr]

Do you watch the games? Or just listen to commentary. With a couple hits on UDFAs, we went from paper thin at receiver, to quite deep and promising.

We have the deepest defense in the league. Yes. The league. Find another team with the pieces to rotate in along the front seven that we have. Find another team that has three top notch corners, an all-pro safety, and a real promising young kid to fill the lone question mark on that defense.

Our OL has pass blocked extremely well this offseason. It's been addressed. Maybe not to your satisfaction, but it's been addressed. Bledsoe is durable, if nothing else. I am sketchy on the RB situation, but you can't go in being scared of getting hurt, that's not how things work.

Sorry, take your clouds somewhere else. This is an extremely balanced, deep team. One of the most talented defenses in the league.

I respectfully disagree. We didn't play anybody in pre-season and that includes the Seahawks, who probably won't make the playoffs. Just because Bledsoe hasn't missed many games doesn't mean that this year isn't the year and we don't have a backup plan in case this is the year. It's not playing scared to have 2 solid backup qbs in case your starter gets hurt. In the past, we had Danny White,Bernie Kosar,Steve Buerlein,Rodney Peete,Randall Cunningham as our backups. I don't thing Tony Romo belongs in that group. When we had Jason Garrett as our backup everyone was scared to death that Aikman might get hurt, but it least we had a top notch rb in Emmitt Smith to carry the load.

 

[Doomsday101]

kartr, Is there anything you like about this team? I have yet to see you post anything positive about this team.

 

[superpunk]

I respectfully disagree. We didn't play anybody in pre-season and that includes the Seahawks, who probably won't make the playoffs. Just because Bledsoe hasn't missed many games doesn't mean that this year isn't the year and we don't have a backup plan in case this is the year. It's not playing scared to have 2 solid backup qbs in case your starter gets hurt. In the past, we had Danny White,Bernie Kosar,Steve Buerlein,Rodney Peete,Randall Cunningham as our backups. I don't thing Tony Romo belongs in that group. When we had Jason Garrett as our backup everyone was scared to death that Aikman might get hurt, but it least we had a top notch rb in Emmitt Smith to carry the load.

So, Romo's play hasn't comforted you at all?

We have one of the most durable QBs in the league, and a guy who has shown he can move the team. That's pretty good to me. In the preseason we faced a ton of 7-8 man fronts, and our QBs came through with flying colors. That situation looks good.

The Oline looks sketchy, you're right. But I don't believe teams will be able to continue stuffing our run like they have. We'll make them pay over the top with our gamebreakers.

 

[superpunk]

kartr, Is there anything you like about this team? I have yet to see you post anything positive about this team.

Quincy used to play for us.

So, there is that. :

 

[WV Cowboy]

kartr, Is there anything you like about this team? I have yet to see you post anything positive about this team.

I was going to ask QuickDraw the same thing.

Or I would ask him to post one thing that he does like about the Cowboys.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was going to ask QuickDraw the same thing.

Or I would ask him to post one thing that he does like about the Cowboys.

We seem to have a few that have nothing good to say about this team. I see more positives statements from the guys at ESPN and other so called haters of the Cowboys than I do from about 3 or 4 people who post here.

 

[BigDFan5]

Maybe you should read the thread again...

and remember, I meant a trade down for either or both of the players I mentioned.

Takes two to trade down. Who would you have picked at 18 since that is ultimately where we picked

 

[Doomsday101]

Quincy used to play for us.

So, there is that. :

And now no one wants him not even the CFL. I can understand loyalty to certain players but Karter has taken this to a new low of putting Carter above and beyond the organization.

 

[BigDFan5]

Exactly, and we're having receiver depth problems

We are? Parcells kept 6 WRs for the first time in his career and you call it depth problems?

and offensive line questions still

Would McNeill have answered all theose problems? NO. He wouldnt even be starting here

linebacker wasn't anywhere close to being one of our top needs.

This would be true, if it wasnt so false.

The Pats got linebacker Pierre Woods from Michigan as an undrafted free agent for their 3-4 defense and are tickled pink about it.

I am sure they will be tickled when they release him next year too

We passed on several quality players that we needed more than Carpenter, only those players fathers' didn't play for Parcells.

Who did we pass on. Who should we have took at 18 that would start?

 

[BigDFan5]

That's just it. We were tood deep at linebacker.

At the time of the draft our LB corp looked like this

Ware and Burnett who had shown nothing and was coming off injury

Singleton and Boiman

James, and Fowler

Akin and Shanle

 

[BigDFan5]

I'm not saying Carpenter is a bust or will be one, I'm just saying I don't think he was the best choice. He'll probably be fine eventually, but again, that's not the way I think about a first round pick. The first rounder should be an impact player, a game changer, not the support guy.

So the you agree jason Cambell is a bust? 2 years in the NFL and he cant even get the backup gig

 

[kartr]

Ok, let's not go over the top here. Carpenter may well be a Patriot right now if we had passed on him. Or a Giant. Or a Jet. It's not like he wasn't well regarded. And are you saying you knew Greg Ellis would be the starter at OLB? What if that hadn't worked and we'd passed on Carpenter? No, I get the LOGIC of the pick, I just wish we were seeing a little more.

As for receivers, there isn't a receiver in this draft that wouldn't have been a bigger reach than Carpenter at 18. Same for OL. If you knew for a fact we had trade down offers and we turned them down you might have a discussion point. But, as usual, you don't.

Both Holmes and Chad Jackson were seen as first rounders and we had one of them we wouldn't be crying about receiver depth. Parcells words. And if Parcells was planning to move Ellis to linebacker, why draft Carpenter. Pierre Woods of Michigan was a pass rushing lb'er that New England got in free agency. We brought in Ayodele from Jacksonville and now we've traded away a couple of our linebackers. What does having the deepest core of linebackers in the NFL get you, when you have quarterback depth problems, rb depth problems and OL depth problems and receiver depth problems. I'm just saying that their plan makes no sense.No doubt we'll be making trades or bringing players to make up for what they missed in the off season. My question is why are missing so many things in the off season.

 

[LD Fan]

We are? Parcells kept 6 WRs for the first time in his career and you call it depth problems?



Would McNeill have answered all theose problems? NO. He wouldnt even be starting here


This would be true, if it wasnt so false.


I am sure they will be tickled when they release him next year too



Who did we pass on. Who should we have took at 18 that would start?

You keep confusing kartr with logic. I concluded after he wrote the Seahawks wouldn't make the playoffs that I was debating a mental midget