Let's all just get it off our chest; Carp was a bad draftpick

[BigDFan5]

Qwickdraw, when Kartr is your biggest supporter in this thread you KNOW your **** is weak

 

[superpunk]

we wouldn't be crying about receiver depth. Parcells words.

Are you a caveman?

 

[ccb04]

I personally wanted Marcus McNeill and Greg Jennings.

Right now, looks like both are starting for their teams.

I could be wrong ... but don't Driver and Ferguson start at WR for GB?

Alot of questions surrounded McNeill's back prior to the draft. Also, I believe McNeill went in the 2nd round, not the 1st. Plus, if McQuistan continues to develope and impress ... he may be the starting LT in the not to distant future, which would allow Flo to slide over to the right side.

As far as Carpenter ... what I like about him is the versatility he can add. He could potentially play inside or outside in the 3-4 or 4-3 ... in addition to being able to play in the nickel.

Bottom line is: Parcells had to see Ellis make the switch ... and the chance certainly existed that he wouldn't be able to. Additionally, we lost 5 LB's to injury during the season last year ... and depth is critical at that position ... particularly in the 3-4. Talented depth is certainly better yet ... and he'll be an eventual starter.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

When we had Jason Garrett as our backup everyone was scared to death that Aikman might get hurt,

I don’t believe Jason Garrett ever led the NFL in any of his preseasons. Romo did exactly that this year. Romo had a stellar preseason and should have you feeling better about his ability to step up should Bledsoe go down. The only question mark on this team IMO is OLine. If they gel this could be a scary team. Certainly, we have more to look forward to this season since the mid 90's.

Every team would like to have 3 quality backups for every position, but that just isn't possible in today's NFL. I believe that Parcells has done a good job with the starting roster as well as key backup and rotations. Time will tell of course, but I prefer to look at the positives and allow for the strengths of the team to offset any perceived weaknesses.

 

[Doomsday101]

Both Holmes and Chad Jackson were seen as first rounders and we had one of them we wouldn't be crying about receiver depth. Parcells words. And if Parcells was planning to move Ellis to linebacker, why draft Carpenter. Pierre Woods of Michigan was a pass rushing lb'er that New England got in free agency. We brought in Ayodele from Jacksonville and now we've traded away a couple of our linebackers. What does having the deepest core of linebackers in the NFL get you, when you have quarterback depth problems, rb depth problems and OL depth problems and receiver depth problems. I'm just saying that their plan makes no sense.No doubt we'll be making trades or bringing players to make up for what they missed in the off season. My question is why are missing so many things in the off season.

You’re the only one crying about WR depth, Parcells and Jones have liked what they have seen and those of us who have actually watched the games and have a clue about the game of football have liked the production from the young WR as well. As for LB yes we moved a reluctant Ellis to LB not knowing how it would work out so getting a LB was still an important move for the Cowboys and on draft day everyone and their brother knew that all except you. Go get clue for a change because you clearly have none. By the way all that ranting about Omar Jacobs another case of crash and burn of your QB expertise and given you’re posting about him you would have Dallas taking him on day 1!!!

 

[Hiero]

Qwickdraw, when Kartr is your biggest supporter in this thread you KNOW your **** is weak

so sad and so true.

 

[BigDFan5]

You’re the only one crying about WR depth, Parcells and Jones have liked what they have seen and those of us who have actually watched the games and have a clue about the game of football have liked the production from the young WR as well. As for LB yes we moved a reluctant Ellis to LB not knowing how it would work out so getting a LB was still an important move for the Cowboys and on draft day everyone and their brother knew that all except you. Go get clue for a change because you clearly have none. By the way all that ranting about Omar Jacobs another case of crash and burn of your QB expertise and given you’re posting about him you would have Dallas taking him on day 1!!!

I remember how "stupid" the Cowboys were for passing up that immense talent. rue the day damn it rue it! :laugh2:

 

[WV Cowboy]

When your team plays the 3-4 on D, linebackers are going to get injured.

You can't be too deep at LB when playing the 3-4.

 

[kartr]

Or it could be the idea that there was no need at this time to draft a WR at the first or second round.

I could see the argument for O-Linemen.

Eitherway, it is nothing more than a boohoo post about carpenter by someone who is having a knee jerk reaction.

Both of our starting wide receivers are over thirty and one had a reputation for being a malcontent. Have you ever heard of insurance? A young wr drafted high could be learning the game now and could ready to go when TO or Glenn are used up or gets injured or acts up. We don't have a qb of the future or stud wr of the future. We're old at qb and wr. Parcells, when with the Jets and Vinny was still playing good drafted Pennington for the future. This team has no future on offense,except maybe JJOnes. Where's the new Larry Allen or Eric Williams, where's the new tripletts. Okay,maybe we got our rb and Novacek, but this is our fourth year with Parcells. By our fourth year with Jimmy, we had begun to dominate the NFL, this team is still trying to figure out how to get to the playoffs and even if we do, Bledsoe,Glenn and Owens don't have much time left. The team Jimmy inherited was much less talented than the team Parcells inherited. How is this knee jerk reaction?

 

[Doomsday101]

I remember how "stupid" the Cowboys were for passing up that immense talent. rue the day damn it rue it! :laugh2:

Sad part is he bases his opinion on a QB on 2 things. He must be a running QB and he must be black. It may be a tough comment on my part but I'm not going to hide from the truth of the matter after many conversations with him on QB's. Those 2 criteria seem to be the main factor

 

[jackrussell]

OK, we need a scoreboard update here.

I'm just saying what everyone is thinking.

Or, maybe not.

I'm simply stating that I remember Ware having all of us on the edge of our seat last season and creating more of that buzz with his preseason play.

I'm just saying, good LBers can be found all over the draft.

I stated what I hoped we would have done.

So much for "I'm just saying what everyone is thinking...":

 

[BigDFan5]

Sad part is he bases his opinion on a QB on 2 things. He must be a running QB and he must be black. It may be a tough comment on my part but I'm not going to hide from the truth of the matter after many conversations with him on QB's. Those 2 criteria seem to be the main factor

I noticed the color issue a long time ago I just never mentioned it. But you are spot on.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So you wanted to reach for Greg Jennings in 1? And he is starting for the Packers, who are terrible and who brought in Koren Robinson in their desperate search for wide receivers.

I don't think McNeil was even a consideration. He doesn't seem to be what Dallas is looking for a tackle at all.

Either way, I think I'll let Carpenter play some games before I call anyone a bust. It was a common perception around here that Carpenter might start the season behind Singleton and now because he isn't a starter people are jumping to conclusions.

Well said.

Ellis had a great camp and gave us the ability to not only work Carpenter slowly into the lineup but also gave us the chance to make him a more well-rounded LB that can play inside or out.

A team that can't start their #1 pick is either pretty inept at drafting OR has some very good depth.

I think we're the latter.

 

[jobberone]

Sorry I missed one of 46 posts. If you felt so strongly, why didn't you just put it up front? Typical maybe, coulda, woulda types mushy thinking isn't really a trait seen much in winners in football or life.

It seems kind of harsh to draw such conclusions of people not being 'winners in life', whatever that is, from communications such as these.

 

[BigDFan5]

A team that can't start their #1 pick is either pretty inept at drafting OR has some very good depth.

I think we're the latter.

 

[LD Fan]

Both of our starting wide receivers are over thirty and one had a reputation for being a malcontent. Have you ever heard of insurance? A young wr drafted high could be learning the game now and could ready to go when TO or Glenn are used up or gets injured or acts up. We don't have a qb of the future or stud wr of the future. We're old at qb and wr. Parcells, when with the Jets and Vinny was still playing good drafted Pennington for the future. This team has no future on offense,except maybe JJOnes. Where's the new Larry Allen or Eric Williams, where's the new tripletts. Okay,maybe we got our rb and Novacek, but this is our fourth year with Parcells. By our fourth year with Jimmy, we had begun to dominate the NFL, this team is still trying to figure out how to get to the playoffs and even if we do, Bledsoe,Glenn and Owens don't have much time left. The team Jimmy inherited was much less talented than the team Parcells inherited. How is this knee jerk reaction?

kartr

Somewhere in your diatribe there is a thread of one of my concerns, the offense hasn't been adequately addressed. However, you make so many off the wall comments it's hard to agree with any of it. You ask "haven't you heard of insurance" yet you complain we have too many LB's after ending the year last year in horrible shape. Ellis was called an "experiment" by almost everyone and Burnett was a total question mark. You don't give Romo any credit even though he's played extremely well all ps and has obviously shown the coach a lot in training camp. The team thought enough of him to sign him to a new contract. Believe it or not they may know more than you (we can only hope). You keep comparing this team to the early 90's. Breaking news, there's these things called free agency and salary caps. We will never be 2 deep at every position again. No team will.

 

[LD Fan]

It seems kind of harsh to draw such conclusions of people not being 'winners in life', whatever that is, from communications such as these.

Maybe harsh....just my observation. Some times life is a little tough.

 

[kartr]

LOL and THE guy at Ohio state, from what I have heard, is not even the best LB that the team who drafted him got in the draft.

From what I have heard a LB they got later in the draft has looked better.

Just proves it is early and the draft is a crap shoot even if it is or is not a "can't miss The Guy" player.

You draft the player who you think will be the best for your team in the area you fill he will best fit.

You do your best and hope for the best.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

That is the draft.

Not for the Patriots, they won a super bowl with both their starting cornerbacks missing nine regular season games and the playoffs. Both the Steelers and Pats lose players all the time and keep right on rolling. The draft is not that hard to figure out and those teams have proved it. They lose players and continue to have success.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Both of our starting wide receivers are over thirty and one had a reputation for being a malcontent.

The only two WRs projected to the first round was IMO an overhyped Chad Jackson and Santanio Holmes. I liked Holmes at the time and would have had trouble taking him, but now I am glad we did not seeing as all of his LEGAL troubles have come to light.

Have you ever heard of insurance?

Yes I have....Have YOU? Seeing as we are in a 3-4 and we need many good LBs to run the system.

A young wr drafted high could be learning the game now and could ready to go when TO or Glenn are used up or gets injured or acts up.

See my above response. Futhermore it seems we do have some young WRs on the team as Two of them are rooks.

We don't have a qb of the future or stud wr of the future.

And you know for certain that we have no future at QB with Romo or WRs with the young group we have? Can I borrow your Crystal ball. Futhermore there were no worthy QBs that would have fallen to us at 18. Of course I am sure you would have had us taking Jacobs...but since he was on the wavier wire last week I doubt that would have went over to well.

We're old at qb and wr. Parcells, when with the Jets and Vinny was still playing good drafted Pennington for the future.

Parcells also had FOUR first round picks the year he took Pennington...how many did we just have?

This team has no future on offense,except maybe JJOnes. Where's the new Larry Allen or Eric Williams, where's the new tripletts. Okay,maybe we got our rb and Novacek, but this is our fourth year with Parcells.

J.Jones, Barber, Witten, Fasano, McQ, Hurd, Rector, Miles. All young guys on offense. We have no way of knowing if they will be future players or not at this time.

By our fourth year with Jimmy, we had begun to dominate the NFL,

Jimmy also did not have the Salary cap and he also had MULTIPLE high picks because of the Walker trade and the record prior to him taking over and his first two years records.

this team is still trying to figure out how to get to the playoffs and even if we do, Bledsoe,Glenn and Owens don't have much time left. The team Jimmy inherited was much less talented than the team Parcells inherited. How is this knee jerk reaction?

Once again Jimmy worked in a non salary cap situation, he got multiple high end picks in the walker trade and he also had a team that got an overall first round pick how many times?

A Knee jerk reaction is whining and moaning about a pick before the regular season has even started.

NEXT!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Not for the Patriots, they won a super bowl with both their starting cornerbacks missing nine regular season games and the playoffs. Both the Steelers and Pats lose players all the time and keep right on rolling. The draft is not that hard to figure out and those teams have proved it. They lose players and continue to have success.

And if you actually look at some of the patriot picks over the last few years, you would see they are not as good at it as you may think.

You would also flip your wig because almost every year they take a TE.