Let's all just get it off our chest; Carp was a bad draftpick

[Death Star]

That's just it. We were tood deep at linebacker, but not deep enough at receiver, quarterback,OL. Parcells seems to over-emphasize some positions and under-emphasize others which shows some inconsistency and confusion about how to achieve balance.

Oh really? Was that the case? Because at the time EVERY mock I'd seen before the draft had us taking a LB in the first, the only question was WHICH LB.

Remember this was before the Ellis experiment and a constantly discussed need of ours was a great young OLB to start opposite Ware. But don't let the facts get the way of your revisionist history.

For the record, the mocks I'd seen pre-draft had OLB, OL and FS as our biggest needs, along with a WR and NT somewhere in the 2nd day.

 

[DallasDomination]

I'm not to high on Bobby

 

[JPM]

BrAinPaiNt, best post I have seen in a long time. Well done sir.

 

[BigDFan5]

And if you actually look at some of the patriot picks over the last few years, you would see they are not as good at it as you may think.

You would also flip your wig because almost every year they take a TE.

they took 2 more TEs this year LOL

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

BrAinPaiNt, best post I have seen in a long time. Well done sir.

Thanks...but...You are gonna make Winicki jealous. :laugh1:

 

[neosapien23]

Oh really? Was that the case? Because at the time EVERY mock I'd seen before the draft had us taking a LB in the first, the only question was WHICH LB.

Remember this was before the Ellis experiment and a constantly discussed need of ours was a great young OLB to start opposite Ware. But don't let the facts get the way of your revisionist history.

For the record, the mocks I'd seen pre-draft had OLB, OL and FS as our biggest needs, along with a WR and NT somewhere in the 2nd day.

Well some of us would agree with that, but I personally felt the Oline needed the most help. It still does. Many fans even wanted two Olineman to be taken in the first two rounds. Just because mocks say one position is the biggest need doesn't mean it is. Even before Carpenter was taken, some mocks had us taking either Winston Justice or Marcus McNeil with the 18th pick. I would have loved to have taken that guard Joseph in the first and Marcus McNeil in the 2nd round. Both will be good solid starters in the future. Hind sight is 20/20 though and most had McNeil going in the first.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

And what happened to him?


I'm not calling him a bust.
I'm just saying what everyone is thinking.

no not everyone. just you. what everyone was saying is that he is the second or 3rd most NFL ready LB in the draft. what everyone was thinking that Ellis move to OLB wouldn't work. what everyone was thinking is that we have a 4-3 LB in singlton playing the OLB spot in the 3-4 and he is 31. what everyone was thinking is that Carpenter would make a great OLB in a 3-4, a natural fit for him.

however Ellis is playing great and we have singleton who can only play the OLB spot and Carpenter is versatile enough to play multiple positions.


so you are jumping the gun making inconclusive statements and the first game hasn't even begun. you are looking for an impact player who was suppose to come in and get 10 sacks, 42 tackles, 3 tackles for loss and 2 Ints in preseason.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Just to clarify.

I wouldn't have wanted McNeill or Jennings in the 1st. But I would have loved a trade down for either.

And once again, I'm not calling Carp a bust.
I'm simply stating that I remember Ware having all of us on the edge of our seat last season and creating more of that buzz with his preseason play.
That's kinda what you want from a 1st round pick.

Carp has created nothing close to that level of anticipation.

why ware had us on the edge of the seat? he was a top 10 pick. why? because we were a bad team. we are much more talented team this year and its hard to distinguish yourself. that's why you are disappointed because Carpenter is not better than ware, james, burnett and ayodele.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

But doesn't that kind of patience and contribution sound more like a 2nd or 3rd round draft choice (like James) than a first?

I'm just saying, good LBers can be found all over the draft.
If you're going to spend for one in the 1st, he should show something quickly and contribute immediately, IMO.

yes and no. it depends. if carpenter was on this team last year, he would have contributed immediately and been a starter opposite ware. however with our LB depth this year he didn't get the same chance.

for example take JJ and put him in SF and he would be a star running back for them. in Dallas he splits with Marion and in SD he would be relegated to mop up duty.

 

[DallasDomination]

No actually he is saying what most People are thinking. Atleast for me and most Cowboy fans I talk to. Yea he's NFl ready, BEnch Ready

 

[baj1dallas]

I know he's developing, and I'm a UMD fan, but what did Henderson do to us the other night? lol.

Two tackles and an interception ring a bell? He was active and part of the reason the Cowboys couldn't run inside at all.

 

[Death Star]

Well some of us would agree with that, but I personally felt the Oline needed the most help. It still does. Many fans even wanted two Olineman to be taken in the first two rounds. Just because mocks say one position is the biggest need doesn't mean it is. Even before Carpenter was taken, some mocks had us taking either Winston Justice or Marcus McNeil with the 18th pick. I would have loved to have taken that guard Joseph in the first and Marcus McNeil in the 2nd round. Both will be good solid starters in the future. Hind sight is 20/20 though and most had McNeil going in the first.

Yeah I hear ya, that was right up on top of the list as well. At the time my ideal Day 1 draft was as follows:

1st - Carpenter OLB (CALLED IT!)
2nd - Colledge OT
3rd - Davin Joseph or Rob Sims OG
3rd - Ko Simpson S

Granted it was contingent on somehow acquiring another 3rd round pick, but a fella can dream.

 

[superpunk]

Two tackles and an interception ring a bell? He was active and part of the reason the Cowboys couldn't run inside at all.

LOL. The INT hit him in the face. He had little to do with that. Just stand there and not drop it. As for two tackles.....

I love EJ, but he has a long way to go in his development.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Would you guys have been upset if the Cowboys moved up in the draft to draft a guy like Ferguson, Ngata, or one of the QBs or even Hawk ?

At the time, not in hindsight.

 

[Rack]

Let's all just get it off our chest; Carp was a bad draftpick
.

Dude, you're starting to sound like bbgun and x-dawg.



Anyone else getting ready to put quickdraw on ignore?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yeah I hear ya, that was right up on top of the list as well. At the time my ideal Day 1 draft was as follows:

1st - Carpenter OLB (CALLED IT!)
2nd - Colledge OT
3rd - Davin Joseph or Rob Sims OG
3rd - Ko Simpson S

Granted it was contingent on somehow acquiring another 3rd round pick, but a fella can dream.

I think it has been said after that draft that Colledge WAS our target in the second but got taken before our pick and we did not like any other O-Linemen at that spot so we traded down to get extra picks and took Fasano.

 

[Dale]

Would you guys have been upset if the Cowboys moved up in the draft to draft a guy like Ferguson, Ngata, or one of the QBs or even Hawk ?

At the time, not in hindsight.

Not really. The amount of picks we'd have to have given up to make it happen wouldn't have been worth it, IMO.

 

[cowboyed]

Look guys, this is preseason and Carpenter is playing somewhat out of position and scheme isn't he? Plus he was relegated to backup immediately because of the depth of the linebacker corps.

He will progress in the regular season and everyone will pat themselves on the back for supporting him during the Doubting Thomas's era.

 

[Death Star]

I think it has been said after that draft that Colledge WAS our target in the second but got taken before our pick and we did not like any other O-Linemen at that spot so we traded down to get extra picks and took Fasano.

Yeah, I was watching the draft and got hit by the double whammy of my guy getting snapped up by Green Bay a couple spots before us along with the tradedown for a TE in the same round. Considering I didn't know about the 2 TE rationale at the time, let's just say it took a few minutes before my wife could talk me down from that.

 

[BigDFan5]

Would you guys have been upset if the Cowboys moved up in the draft to draft a guy like Ferguson, Ngata, or one of the QBs or even Hawk ?

At the time, not in hindsight.

Depends on the cost of the move up. I hate giving up multiple firsts trading up. Of the players you listed I wouldnt have minded. Leinart, Cutler, Hawk, or Ferguson