Let's stop the Dak is not great non-sense

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If we are going to call Dak "Great" then more of the responsibility rests on him then others on the team. However, I do not think he is at fault for the poor play around him. I, however, am reluctant to name Dak a 1st ballot HOF with a 1-2 playoff record, and "projections" of how great a season he would have had last year.

more of the responsibility on Defense? yes, he is the QB and offense runs through him. the offense hasn't been a problem....the defense on the other hand is smoke and mirrors and never really great. you never get that feeling the defense is going to come through. you just sit there and hope the other team doesn't score and messes up and allow the offense to get back on the field....the Rams game in the playoffs, they shoved the ball down our throat to the tune of 250 yards....that means they controlled the clock, the ball and kept the offense on the sideline....despite the awful defensive performance, we were within 8 points in the 4th quarter, asking the defense to hold just once and they gave up another score.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

They aren't. But is citing some meaningless stat..."great"?

Dak is exactly what our whole team is. Either we are a team, or we aren't. You can't keep having it both ways.

I think Brady is an example of "great". They plugged him in as the QB and won a super bowl. He doesn't play defense but if you think he doesn't inspire the defense you are nuts.

Not much else changed on that team. couple things here and there. I also think Brady is an exception. Being "great" ...is.

I am not saying Dak is great or not....and yes, y ou can't have it both ways. either wins and losses are on him, not just losses, which is what a lot of dak detractors like to point to around here. either the defense bears some responsibility or they don't at all. you can't have it both ways. you can't blame everything on Dak, yet not give him credit for things he does, because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Brady is a great example of a GOAT. are you comparing Dak to the GOAT? and lets not pretend that Tampa didn't have talent on that team already. Brady chose the perfect place to go. a 7-9 team. with offensive weapons and a great defense. a former QB with penchant to throw interceptions (30). cut those in half and the team gets another 4 wins easily, which is what brady did. once in the playoffs, his experience is the most important aspect of Brady at this point in his career.

everyone keeps pointing to Brady. who are the other Brady's. everyone wants a Brady. where are they? Brady is once in a two generation type QB.

 

[phildadon86]

Romo is far more skilled than Prescott.

Prescott plays to not screw things up for those around him.

Romo played to try and carry a team with all types of problems for most of his career.

Romo elevated guys.. Guys elevate Dak.

Romo at the same point in their careers? No. Romo after 14 years in the NFL. Yes. Go figure. a 14 year veteran better than a guy in his 5th year lol. What a great take.

 

[Jarv]

For all of 2019 and the first 4 games of 2020 the Dak led offense has AVERAGED 31.45 points per game. That's great if not outstanding. Stop and think before you bring up the record which you haters always do. If an offense is averaging 31.45 pts per game and you're not winning, which side of the ball is to blame?

Stop it with the hater agenda driven non-sense.

In 2019 the cowboys averaged 27.1 points per game scoring 434 points divided by 16 games.

In 2014 the cowboys averaged 29.2 points per game scoring 467 points divided by 16 games.

Per your definition, Dak was good but Tony was great.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No, but he’s not absolved of them either

he is not.....I never said he was.....but again, are all wins and losses are on Dak? seemingly you are saying no...is the defense giving up 250 rushing yards in a playoff game Dak's fault. is the defense giving up 300 yards rushing in a game his fault? is the defense giving up 37+ points per game his fault? is the coach making stupid calls during the game his fault? despite what everyone may thing, I have criticized Dak when has played bad, when he needed improvements. some people like to scruitinize every throw, every series, every play, every quarter, every game, etc... to no end.....expecting perfection when there are no perfect QBs that make perfect plays 100% of the time....good to great QBs make more good plays than bad plays. when given talent, they maximize those talents and produce results (offensive results).

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

he is not.....I never said he was.....but again, are all wins and losses are on Dak? seemingly you are saying no...is the defense giving up 250 rushing yards in a playoff game Dak's fault. is the defense giving up 300 yards rushing in a game his fault? is the defense giving up 37+ points per game his fault? is the coach making stupid calls during the game his fault? despite what everyone may thing, I have criticized Dak when has played bad, when he needed improvements. some people like to scruitinize every throw, every series, every play, every quarter, every game, etc... to no end.....expecting perfection when there are no perfect QBs that make perfect plays 100% of the time....good to great QBs make more good plays than bad plays. when given talent, they maximize those talents and produce results (offensive results).

That is the nature of football. It reminds me of what people say whenever Dak loses a playoff game, that it’s never his fault

Other QBs run into those same problems. Defenses fail them, offensive players can’t stop getting penalties, coaches make blunders. I remember Andy Reid’s blunders in their 2019 playoff run, Mahomes did what he needed to overcome. I remember KC running wild on NE in the 2018 AFCCG. When it came time, Brady ascended and scored like mad to bring them all the way back. Remember the 2017 AFCCG when the Jags were murdering them for 3 quarters? 2014 Super Bowl when the Seahawks were up by multiple possessions?

Good quarterbacks do enough not to lose the game, Great quarterbacks do enough to win it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Interesting seeing as how I pointed out all of Dak's career just now but no worries. Statistics have shown that the more pass attempts Dak has the worse the team record so there has to be a correlation but we all will see what we see.

oh, so you point and pound and mention 2019 8-8 season like million times but hey lets just forget the million times I mentioned it and focus on the one time I mentioned otherwise, because I am pursuing another line of (il)logic.

and again, you say statistics have shown more pass attempts the worse the team record. another stat looked at in a vaccum. what about the rest of the QBs...usually if you have to throw a lot, it means the team is behind, so the defense plays against a more predictable offense, easier to defened and not every game is a come back win.....

so since you now seemingly subscribe to the "lets not look at things in a vaccum" logic, tell me the wins/losses of other QBs in the league when they have a lot of pass attempts. lets establish a guide on what is a lot of pass attempts. is 35 too much? is 40 too much? is 50 too much? throwing out a vague statement leaves you with vague results that become nothing but opinions and conjecture.

 

[BigD_95]

He's already proved he's great. That's why he got a 4 yr $160 mil contract.

that has nothing to do with it

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Not in the least for there is no comparison but if you were following along I simply was refuting the point of another member who stated that Dak is better than Brady.

I never said he was better than brady. Brady is the GOAT. at this point no QB in history compares to him. he is on top of the mountain and right now the only face on mount rushmore of QBs. the rest to be argued

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You showed us how great he is by citing some stats, that leads us to not great.

Hahomes leads his team to a super bowl.

would mahomes lead cowboys to a superbowl if he played under the same circumstances?

 

[USArmyVet]

He's already proved he's great. That's why he got a 4 yr $160 mil contract.

So based on that logic the following are GREAT QB's:

Tannehill 4 years/$118M
Wentz 4 years/$128M
Goff 4 years/$134M
Ryan 5 years/$150M
Stafford 5 years/$135M


So to you the size of the contract equates to greatness? That is some seriously flawed logic.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Yet you responded to my thread...hmmm.

you little man with a tiny brain, I was responding to a fellow poster. Not to you tiny brain.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Winning curse all! So you are wrong with your statement that nothing is changing the opinion of the anti-Dak crowd.

I assume you meant cures...with that said, any winning with Dak on the team will be attributed to everybody else on the team except Dak...and all losses will be attributed to Dak by the anti-dak crowd..its been the case all along.

 

[USArmyVet]

I never said he was better than brady. Brady is the GOAT. at this point no QB in history compares to him. he is on top of the mountain and right now the only face on mount rushmore of QBs. the rest to be argued

I never said you said it but rather Future did....that is who I replied to.

 

[kskboys]

So tell me, how many QB's that have never won a Super Bowl are considered great? How many that have won a single playoff game are considered great? Yeah, that's what I thought, Dak will never be considered great unless he wins Dallas at least one if not two Super Bowls.

Let's see, I got this:

Marino(of course)
Tarkenton
Meredith
Fouts
Kelly
Sonny Jurgenson
Moon
Tittle
Esiason
Hadl
Cunningham
Ken Anderson
Brodie
McNair
Krieg
Rivers
Luck


Did I miss anyone? Not sure why we're doing this, but it was fun.

 

[phildadon86]

would mahomes lead cowboys to a superbowl if he played under the same circumstances?

Nope. Joe Montana, Tom Brady. No one is overcoming a defense allowing 300 rushing yards in a game. No one.

 

[Rockport]

So based on that logic the following are GREAT QB's:

Tannehill 4 years/$118M
Wentz 4 years/$128M
Goff 4 years/$134M
Ryan 5 years/$150M
Stafford 5 years/$135M


So to you the size of the contract equates to greatness? That is some seriously flawed logic.

Never said that now did I Army dog. Back on ignore you go.

 

[USArmyVet]

oh, so you point and pound and mention 2019 8-8 season like million times but hey lets just forget the million times I mentioned it and focus on the one time I mentioned otherwise, because I am pursuing another line of (il)logic.

and again, you say statistics have shown more pass attempts the worse the team record. another stat looked at in a vaccum. what about the rest of the QBs...usually if you have to throw a lot, it means the team is behind, so the defense plays against a more predictable offense, easier to defened and not every game is a come back win.....

so since you now seemingly subscribe to the "lets not look at things in a vaccum" logic, tell me the wins/losses of other QBs in the league when they have a lot of pass attempts. lets establish a guide on what is a lot of pass attempts. is 35 too much? is 40 too much? is 50 too much? throwing out a vague statement leaves you with vague results that become nothing but opinions and conjecture.

Everything most say in this group is opinion but again, you wish to engage with me when I was never speaking to you while you attempt to paint me as someone that only looks at the 2019 season regarding Dak......well, Dak has done nothing to establish greatness in ANY season but you go about your day as you will.

 

[USArmyVet]

Never said that now did I? Back on ignore you go.

Funny how you name call 'ignore' those that prove you wrong.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Who was the QB in the 1st quarter of all those games he played in last year? Was he not part of the problem when the offenses stumbled out of the starting blocks at the beginning of games andhad to dig themselves out of pretty big holes. He is good, but great is a stretch. He has shown he is capable of greatness but you have to do it consistently.

oh, the uninformed argument of stumbling out of the block.

game 1 against the rams....cowboys lead 14-13 at half time.
game 2 against atlanta..you are right, we started the game with 3 fumbles, one by Dak, one by Zeke, one by Schultz...but I guess all three are Dak's fault....given that's seemingly what you are insinuating.....
game 3 against Seattle. game is tied 9-9 after first quarter. we were down 23-15 at half. 30-22 at the end of 3rd quarter. got the lead in the 4th quarter. typical NFL game.
game 4 against cleveland. Dallas is leading 14-7 after first quarter. the defense was on the field 6 times and gave up 4 TDs and a field goal to cleveland. perhaps your complaint is why didn't we score every time they did.


you are obviously looking at this with a biased view, given the games above.....against Atlanta offense dug themselves a hole with three fumbles, one being a sack-fumble by Dak. but seemingly you fault Dak for the other two fumbles.
against Cleveland, we gave up 200 yards rushing in the first half alone..... let that sink in for a second. 200 yards is too much for a whole game. we gave up that much in a half. your complaint is that we didn't score everytime they did....and you blame the offense being completely blind to the incompetence of the defense.