Adult Language Lions WR Amon-Ra St. Brown and Cowboys CB Jourdan Lewis trading barbs; Cowboys host Lions Week 6

[zrinkill]

Lewis played 68% of the defensive snaps. With Q's D our base D was with 3 starting CB's. So he was considered a starter

Ok ......... my bad, I should have said the 3rd corner and not 3rd string ........ but the point still applies ..... who starts a beef with a teams 3rd corner.

 

[Coogiguy03]

I don't care what anyone says, Dallas was gift wrapped that game by the refs. Words were said out there to the refs that nobody will know. It turned out for the better anyways because playing GB exposed that it wasn't all SFs defense to blame for Daks poor play. I hope Detroit comes into Dallas and gives them the beat down they deserve.

Post of your career!!! Truth

 

[MarcusRock]

The black and white rule is only the reporting tackle reports to the ref.

If they confused him by choice that is their fault.

They reported multiple times correctly before that.

The Ref announced the player reporting.

The End.

Nope. The player who reported according to the rules the NFL stated was ignored and the ref chose whom he wanted to report because he had reported previously. He got confused. And then avoided a question about it after the game. Why does no one want to address that? Had it been the Cowboys though we would forget about the Dez no-catch and this would be front and center for 10 years. I guess people arbitrarily choose principles just like that ref chose who reported that day, lol.

 

[805BoysInBlue]

I don't care what anyone says, Dallas was gift wrapped that game by the refs. Words were said out there to the refs that nobody will know. It turned out for the better anyways because playing GB exposed that it wasn't all SFs defense to blame for Daks poor play. I hope Detroit comes into Dallas and gives them the beat down they deserve.

Gift wrapped a game? Lmao. Get a life

 

[Bagman]

I don't care what anyone says, Dallas was gift wrapped that game by the refs. Words were said out there to the refs that nobody will know. It turned out for the better anyways because playing GB exposed that it wasn't all SFs defense to blame for Daks poor play. I hope Detroit comes into Dallas and gives them the beat down they deserve.

I don't care what YOU say, Detroit tried to cheat and sneak one past the refs. They got called on it, replayed the down TWO more times and still couldn't convert. Man up guy, the Lions lost. Get over it and move on.

 

[DallasEast]

I remember Ric Flair taunting his future opponents and Hulk Hogan taking the mic and taunting his.
The NFL sure looks a lot like the WWF these days.

It took awhile but I finally agree with you about something.

 

[Chasing6]

Nope. The player who reported according to the rules the NFL stated was ignored and the ref chose whom he wanted to report because he had reported previously. He got confused. And then avoided a question about it after the game. Why does no one want to address that? Had it been the Cowboys though we would forget about the Dez no-catch and this would be front and center for 10 years. I guess people arbitrarily choose principles just like that ref chose who reported that day, lol.

You clearly have not watched the video. It is the player's responsibility to report to the ref. Sending 3 different line man was intentional deception.

2 with similar numbers 58 and 68. 68 attempts to report. Then 70 who had already reported multiple times reports as well. The ref recognizes and points at 70 and announces 70.

Do you believe after announcing 70 to the defense they should have allowed 68 to be eligible?

 

[Tenkamenin]

https://syndication.bleacherreport....is-exchange-barbs-amid-apparent-beef.amp.html

Just because of this I bet they move this game to Monday night.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Primarily. Of course, we wouldn't have been put in a position where they could have won if one official had not made a terrible tripping call against Peyton Hendershot, where replay shows he did not try at all to trip the Detroit defender and it was actually the other way around. That call derailed our ability to run the clock down.

That's the call I was referring to earlier. That call was beyond ridiculous. If not for that, the Cowboys either run down the clock to win or score much later in the game (presumably a TD with the way we were driving).

 

[MarcusRock]

You clearly have not watched the video. It is the player's responsibility to report to the ref. Sending 3 different line man was intentional deception.

2 with similar numbers 58 and 68. 68 attempts to report. Then 70 who had already reported multiple times reports as well. The ref recognizes and points at 70 and announces 70.

Do you believe after announcing 70 to the defense they should have allowed 68 to be eligible?

I saw everything and know what everyone claimed afterwards. No one "tries" to report. Either they do or they don't. 68 makes a sign and clearly talks to the ref. 70 makes a more demonstrative sign but says he didn't say anything. The NFL posted a video that says there needs to be a physical AND verbal signal to the ref when you report. 68 did that. The ref saw 70's physical sign and assumed, not following the league's own rule on it. That's why he ignored a question about what 68 said to him afterwards. You continue to not address that fact too. Who does that unless it's inconvenient or is trying to hide a mistake?

 

[VaqueroTD]

I would put money on Detroit. Young team or just put together, tough head coach, lunch pail work ethic and mentality vs Hollywood Cowboys loaded with lame duck coaches and many question marks on both lines which is where Detroit excels. They also already have a one up on us because they dont choke in first round.

 

[Reality]

Nope. The player who reported according to the rules the NFL stated was ignored and the ref chose whom he wanted to report because he had reported previously. He got confused. And then avoided a question about it after the game. Why does no one want to address that? Had it been the Cowboys though we would forget about the Dez no-catch and this would be front and center for 10 years. I guess people arbitrarily choose principles just like that ref chose who reported that day, lol.

The NFL has been very strict about substitutions on offense and defense for years, which is why on offense, the team cannot have 12 guys in the huddle at the same time and the referees will delay the snap for a set period of time if the offense substitutes any players.

The NFL wants both offenses and defenses to know what they are lining up against to keep the focus on skill and execution.

To be clear, I think coaches trying to find loopholes in the rules to exploit at the right moment is a great strategy. In this case though, Detroit tried to exploit an area which has strict rules and in their attempt to confuse the defense, they confused the referees.

That said, if the referees had reported the right player, the defense would have focused on covering that player if they ran a route, which means it would have most likely failed to convert.

The only reason it worked is because the defense was told the wrong player.

That last fact is something that tends to be lost on people defending Detroit.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Lewis played his best game of the season vs Detroit, if i'm not mistaken.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Kind of wish they had brought Gilmore back, relegating Lewis to the 4th CB spot.

It's hard to say without really knowing what Gilmore's contract demands are. If it's anything around 1 year 10 million, then yes we should have signed him.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Lewis is one of the better slot corners, that man is underrated. Sounds like someone is salty that J. Lew put the clamps on him lol.

 

[MarcusRock]

That said, if the referees had reported the right player, the defense would have focused on covering that player if they ran a route, which means it would have most likely failed to convert.

That I'm no so sure about. What was part of Detroit's ruse was having 58 and 68 approach the ref together while 68 reported. 68 sounds like 58 so even if announced, the defense could get confused in the heat of the moment and think it was 58 having just seen 58 in front of the ref also. From what I remember, 58 and 68 lined up on opposite sides of the line, both on the end of the line until a TE covered up 58 just before the snap. Goff could then read the defensive coverage and go to plan B if necessary. Brilliant plan, the ref just didn't follow their own rule. That's the risk Detroit took.

 

[JW82]

Last time our D talked smack to a Lions receiver he went for 300yards against us.... good times.

 

[Reality]

That I'm no so sure about. What was part of Detroit's ruse was having 58 and 68 approach the ref together while 68 reported. 68 sounds like 58 so even if announced, the defense could get confused in the heat of the moment and think it was 58 having just seen 58 in front of the ref also. From what I remember, 58 and 68 lined up on opposite sides of the line, both on the end of the line until a TE covered up 58 just before the snap. Goff could then read the defensive coverage and go to plan B if necessary. Brilliant plan, the ref just didn't follow their own rule. That's the risk Detroit took.

The referee does two things when a player reports as eligible.

They announce it stadium-wide and they walk over to the defense and tell them specifically the number that is eligible.

That's the point so many people are missing. They assume it would "trick" the defense but the only way it would work if reported correctly would be if the defense completely blew the assignment, which would be no different than blowing any defensive assignment, not just one related to eligible receivers.

The truth is that it only worked because the referee told the defense the wrong player was eligible.

As I said, I am all for teams trying to find creative ways (aka: loopholes) in the rules to gain an advantage, but the NFL specifically focused on personnel trickery years ago which is why they started cracking down a lot more on too many players in the huddle, interrupting an offense ready to snap the ball to allow the defense time to adjust for offensive substitutions and of course handling non-eligible players reporting as eligible.

This is just one of those areas where the NFL rules are so strict that there is really no room to "trick" anyone.

The best you can hope for is a blown assignment by the defense and there are several ways teams try to make that happen every game.

The NFL has refined their rules to make success more about player skill and play execution than manipulation.

When a team is down near the goal line and/or going for 2 points, the defense is going to focus heavily on every eligible receiver.

If the Cowboys had been told the right number, then there would have been at least two defensive players whose assignment was to cover them, including one on the line and one in the secondary.

The referees announced the wrong number to both the stadium and the defense and that caused the Cowboys to focus on the wrong player which allowed the play to work.

Now, would it have worked if the referee announced the correct number? It's possible, but only for the same reason any conversion play works in the NFL which is usually due to blown assignments or bad execution by one or more defensive players.

As it is though, the Cowboys were told to guard the wrong player and they did guard the wrong player so it is not surprising at all that it worked to a player they were not covering.

 

[CowboysRule]

The Lions tried to pull a fast one and got caught. Period

Having said that, their roster got better while ours regressed......It's gonna be a tough game

Can I ask exactly how you feel our roster regressed? It honestly didn't change that much. Oft-injured Tyron Smith left and our painfully average center left. We lost Pollard who was far from anything special. Gallup left who barely made any impact most games. Probably our biggest loss was Hankins on the defensive side. LVE retired who, despite what people say, was solid. We'll get Diggs back and Overshown back. We replaced most of our losses in the draft. Hopefully our RBBC will be serviceable.

 

[CowboyFrog]

You can report multiple Tackles Eligible. It was a trick play in an attempt to trick the Ref's and create another rule change in the off season.

The Ref clearly identified on speaker who the eligible Receiver was. If he identifies the wrong one, then the QB should have recognized it.

the Cowboys covered who the refs called eligible..thats the end of this story..doesnt matter who the refs report as eligible as long as thats who the defense covers...conspiracy over....had the refs called the other guy eligible the defense would have covered him and the other guy would have been unable to catch a pass...some of these guys want to make soemthing out of nothing..