Lions WR Charles Rogers admitted testing positive for marijuana

[joseephuss]

Actually people die in accidents on a regular basis where marijuana is the cause.

And he wants to make it legal.

True. Any substance that inhibits brain functions can cause accidents. Even legal susbstances such as alcohol and prescription or over the counter medicatons.

I think Step was referring more to people dying due to an overdose of pot. I am sure it can happen, but it isn't well documented that such a case has occurred.

I think pot can be addictive. Almost anything can be. I am a proponent for the legalization of the stuff even though I don't want to smoke it. Tried it a couple of times and it did nothing for me. I have no desire to try it again. I just don't see it as evil or anything. No worse than alcohol in my opinion and I do likes me the drinky. Actually, I rarely drink either. I wish they would outlaw chocolate, then maybe I could lose some weight.

 

[percyhoward]

I agree that there's no way to defend alcohol against pot, I just thought his statement was naive and/or misleading.

 

[leotisbrown]

Maybe we coulds look him up and see about backing up our stats or some such.

All he done is weed smoked a few bong hits and blunts and the like-- big deal. We all have to does that from time two time and between except sports and the likes no crimes comit felony or arrest warents etc either.

Not like Rogers has a nasty rock habit or smack shooting eight ball lockjaw or jimminy cricket stuff etc witch would be worse on the line and so forth and reason to side eye him in the locker room and wonder what his vanes are hiding inside as them blood corses threw.

Plus he plays receivr witch means it not that big a matter so much how he combobalates things. He just needs too go out their and run around and catch all the balls he finds along the way. Not like you needs a quarterback tipe of jeanius head smarts to do that writely.

I say if we can sign him for vet min plus insentive's we should go ahead and sine him up alot. He was great in college and won thing we no-- Big Bill and Mister Jerry Jones sure no how to deal with players that like to feed on weed.

 

[burmafrd]

If the MORON gets suspended again why bother? The IDIOT will keep doing his pot and getting his butt in a sling. ANYONE that stupid we do not need.

 

[joseephuss]

Maybe we coulds look him up and see about backing up our stats or some such.

All he done is weed smoked a few bong hits and blunts and the like-- big deal. We all have to does that from time two time and between except sports and the likes no crimes comit felony or arrest warents etc either.

Not like Rogers has a nasty rock habit or smack shooting eight ball lockjaw or jimminy cricket stuff etc witch would be worse on the line and so forth and reason to side eye him in the locker room and wonder what his vanes are hiding inside as them blood corses threw.

Plus he plays receivr witch means it not that big a matter so much how he combobalates things. He just needs too go out their and run around and catch all the balls he finds along the way. Not like you needs a quarterback tipe of jeanius head smarts to do that writely.

I say if we can sign him for vet min plus insentive's we should go ahead and sine him up alot. He was great in college and won thing we no-- Big Bill and Mister Jerry Jones sure no how to deal with players that like to feed on weed.

No, no, no. I don't care if he smokes weed, but the NFL does. It is only a matter of time before he is suspended for a full season, which I still don't understand why that isn't the case right now.

Also, he has done nothing on the field. He can't stay injury free and just isn't good. It wouldn't be taking a chance on a guy who is good, it would be a waste to sign him.

 

[leotisbrown]

No, no, no. I don't care if he smokes weed, but the NFL does. It is only a matter of time before he is suspended for a full season, which I still don't understand why that isn't the case right now.

Also, he has done nothing on the field. He can't stay injury free and just isn't good. It wouldn't be taking a chance on a guy who is good, it would be a waste to sign him.

The thing you cant not forgets on is that we got our ace in the whole-- Mister Jerry Jones to back it up and grind on it reel good to a fine mesh.

What I mean is if we sines up Rogers and he's having a rough tipe day and feels he has to breaks out a blunt in the locker rooms before speaking at the press conference we wont not just throw him in jail like Snyder mights done and have him tossing salads etc in frenzy mode with hot goink shooting all over the place.

No. With Mister Jerry Jones he will haves a true friend tipe who will understand and treat him write no matter what it takes.

Mister Jerry Jones'll just sit next two him-- talk to him-- put his arm around his shoulder-- hug him and walk with him into his owners box privacy office to do more biddings with him and let him no that he's got someone on his side who care even while he has to be getting high off a weeds etc. etc.

I puts my faith in our great owner to handle this things in a saintly and prestigous way.

 

[AbeBeta]

heh, gonna be a glorious day for sure!!!! actually will be cause i'll be at the bone in deep ellum seeing a very good band in ben zephyr. if you're in dallas you should go!

I'm not in TX but if I was I'd be in Denton seeing the Hold Steady tomorrow or in Austin Sunday. Enjoy the show -- don't try to break up any marijuana fueled fights!

 

[Hostile]

You made the point that the league cares about pot b/c it is illegal and doesn't care about alcohol or pain killers because they are legal. I noted that marijuana is legal for medical use in many states. I wasn't in any way suggesting that Rogers had his via prescription. Just correcting what I saw as an incorrect claim.

BTW, marijuana can be prescribed for a ton of things other than chemo or glaucomoa.

If you look real close you will see that I asked if you are maintaining he has some other medical use. I didn't limit it to glaucoma or chemotherapy, you did that.

Hence, you agree he is abusing the drug since he is doing it for illegal reasons. Yes, or no?

Anything other than an admission he is illegally using drugs is a rationalization based on personal views. Period.

And if you take painkillers that are not prescribed to you, try to get multiple prescriptions from several doctors, etc. then you are also abusing the drug contrary to the laws of the country. We agree on that -- but the league has no way to test that.

Blame the Union. If you think the owners wouldn't love to address that, steroids, and HGH with tougher laws you're out of your mind. They have millions invested in these thoroughbreds.

As far as I am aware, current and former NFL players have two primary substance abuse problems. Alcohol and pain killers (steroids for current, but not former players as well). Yet both are OK-dokey in the league's eyes and widely used. Seems like if you have a drug policy that includes a treatment portion that you should focus most strongly on the substances that the players are abusing.

Actually what is okay dokey in the league's eyes is that these things not be abused. Players in the substance abuse program have been suspended for alcohol.

 

[Hostile]

i see drunk people get into fights all the time as i'm about and about in the local music scene. i see drunk people go out to parking lots to smoke and combine the two. but i've never seen someone only on pot go out of their way to cause a problem or get into a fight. now if it was the alcohol or something *before* they went and smoked that made 'em come back in and tackle people i'm not sure - but on weed alone i seriously doubt it. can it happen? sure - i've just never seen it.

then again i've never seen anyone on pot do just about anything the "anti-pot-coalition" says they do on tv. except for sit around and waste their lives as it does make you more lazy.

reefer maddness - the most incorrect statement of a proposed problem ever created that i've ever witnessed.

First of all, I am not comparing the combative qualities of alcohol to marijuana. I am saying it is rather convenient to say marijuana users cause no problems. I don't buy that. I have 2 brothers who abuse the drug. I know better.

Is it a majority of abusers who act like them? Nope and I'm not saying that is true.

 

[AbeBeta]

By the way- medical pot is only legal in maybe like 2 -3 states- not many like some uninformed so called experts here claim.

11 states Burm. Cali, Oregon, Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Maine, Colorado, Nevada, Vermont, Montana, Rhode Island.

Who is uninformed now?

(note: Alaska's is currently in dispute)

 

[Hostile]

I don't watch any of the pre-game shows any more. Stopped several years ago. Not the point, but I do remember ESPN having a segment where they mentioned the line in a few of the games. Do they not do that anymore? It was Hank Goldberg, I think. Just curious.

Hank Goldberg and Chris Berman among others make predictions. They do not reveal the Vegas lines. If they did the NFL would jump all over them.

 

[superpunk]

Hank Goldberg and Chris Berman among others make predictions. They do not reveal the Vegas lines. If they did the NFL would jump all over them.

IIRC, Goldberg ALWAYS picks against the spread Sunday mornings. Always.

Plus, there's always Michaels thinly veiled gambling references, as Oakland is attempting a 4th down TD late, the over/under is at 42, the score is 21-15, and as it falls harmlessly to the ground, Michaels exclaims "He UNDER-threw it."

Hilarious.

 

[burmafrd]

Really 11 states? Where did you get that data from?

 

[AbeBeta]

If you look real close you will see that I asked if you are maintaining he has some other medical use. I didn't limit it to glaucoma or chemotherapy, you did that.

Hence, you agree he is abusing the drug since he is doing it for illegal reasons. Yes, or no?

He is USING the drug. Drug use is not the same as drug abuse.

Anything other than an admission he is illegally using drugs is a rationalization based on personal views. Period.

Just like you are justifying your personal views based on your experiences with your brothers?

Blame the Union. If you think the owners wouldn't love to address that, steroids, and HGH with tougher laws you're out of your mind. They have millions invested in these thoroughbreds.

The union? The owners have a hand in this as well. Think about how many players are encouraged to do things that are not healthy for them and may shorten the back end of their careers. Players have become huge -- 300+ lbs just doesn't bode well for your body when you get past 30. If O-linemen were all smaller many would have longer careers. Players routinely have surgeries that create long-term problems (e.g., meniscus removals) so that they can get back on the field rather than undergoing the non-surgical treatments that any of us would do instead. Players are routinely prescribed pain killers by team doctors so that they can get ready to play when their body is screaming "awww, hell no!"

Owners are the people who want tougher rules because of their investment? Owners know players are replacable - the success of the franchise is what the owners are really into -- clearly they will do whatever they can to have their guys out there.

 

[AbeBeta]

Really 11 states? Where did you get that data from?

A beter question is where did you get 2 or 3.

http://www.mpp.org/site/c.glKZLeMQIsG/b.1086567/k.65F1/StateByState_Medical_Marijuana_Laws.htm

 

[Hostile]

IIRC, Goldberg ALWAYS picks against the spread Sunday mornings. Always.

Plus, there's always Michaels thinly veiled gambling references, as Oakland is attempting a 4th down TD late, the over/under is at 42, the score is 21-15, and as it falls harmlessly to the ground, Michaels exclaims "He UNDER-threw it."

Hilarious.

If any of these guys started saying something like, "Jeff Sagarin's line for this game is 2 1/2 points," they'd be disciplined so fast their heads would mimic a merry go round. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Hostile]

He is USING the drug. Drug use is not the same as drug abuse.

Correct, to abuse it you have to be doing it illegally.

Just like you are justifying your personal views based on your experiences with your brothers?

Not even close to accurate. I haven't made an absolute statement either way. I'm saying I have 2 brothers who I've seen not act like peace loving citizens who want to hug you after using grass.

The union? The owners have a hand in this as well. Think about how many players are encouraged to do things that are not healthy for them and may shorten the back end of their careers. Players have become huge -- 300+ lbs just doesn't bode well for your body when you get past 30. If O-linemen were all smaller many would have longer careers. Players routinely have surgeries that create long-term problems (e.g., meniscus removals) so that they can get back on the field rather than undergoing the non-surgical treatments that any of us would do instead. Players are routinely prescribed pain killers by team doctors so that they can get ready to play when their body is screaming "awww, hell no!"

How far will go to rationalize this?

Owners are the people who want tougher rules because of their investment? Owners know players are replacable - the success of the franchise is what the owners are really into -- clearly they will do whatever they can to have their guys out there.

Oh man don't be naive. If you think they like dead money, negative press and replacing players earlier than planned you are in the clouds.

 

[burmafrd]

I guess to me many is more then half or close to it. I am suprised that as many states are going along with it- but I also noticed that in several of those states it is being challenged in court. Since it is something I have zero interest in I only rememberd the places like Oregon and California where there was a lot of controversy. the liberal states are no suprise- Montana does suprise me.

 

[superpunk]

If any of these guys started saying something like, "Jeff Sagarin's line for this game is 2 1/2 points," they'd be disciplined so fast their heads would mimic a merry go round. That's all I'm saying.

http://sports.espn.go.com/keyword/search?searchString=Hank_Goldberg&source=l_navbar&rT=sports

Hank is all about the gambling. Check him out on Sunday mornings.

Also, listen to Foxsports radio right now. Czaban and co. are picking against the spread. They have Brandon Lang (prof. handicapper) on later. Gambling is a huge part of the media, and the NFL. Every week on Mike and Mike I know they pick against the spread. It's not a kiss of death by any means.

 

[iceberg]

Correct, to abuse it you have to be doing it illegally.

hos, if you're saying using "any" drug illegally constitutes "abuse" then i would disagree. is this what you're saying?