Looking Like McFadden Will Be The Starter

CowboyRoy said:
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And what did Murray ever do without a fully loaded line? Nada. 1000 yards? Please......
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Murray would have had over 1000 yards his first 2 seasons had they not been cut short due to injury. He had 897 yards in just 7 starts in 2011 averaging 5.5 a carry and the OL was far from fully loaded. He had 663 yards in 10 games in 2012 and was easily on pace for a 1000 yard season.
 
KJJ said:
After looking at the team the Cowboys had last season with the best triplets in the league I would have paid Murray 8M because this was a championship caliber team with him and now I'm not so sure. His production helped make Romo the most efficient we've ever seen him. He took a lot of pressure off Romo which improved his decision making. Romo isn't going to be the same efficient QB if he's facing a lot of 3rd and longs this season.a player the caliber of Murray and not feel it. If there's a significant drop off in the efficiency and consistency of the running game the Cowboys are going to be scrambling to win 9 games in 2015.
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Yah, see we just disagree on two fronts.

1. Murray is a very good back, but no way worth that money
2. No way this team was championship caliber with the defense and the pass rush we had. 80% of what Murray gave us can be replaced with cheap dollars and that money can be used to fund the pass rush, which it has been. All we need to do now is find another good runner or stable of good runners. That is NOT a big challenge.

In my opinion you have Murray blinders. I very much understand how the RG last year catapulted us to contender type status, but in my opinion it was 70 the line and 30% Murray. And this team will be better with a better defense and less form the running game.
 
KJJ said:
Murray would have had over 1000 yards his first 2 seasons had they not been cut short due to injury. He had 897 yards in just 7 starts in 2011 averaging 5.5 a carry and the OL was far from fully loaded. He had 663 yards in 10 games in 2012 and was easily on pace for a 1000 yard season.
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Thats exactly my point. He was injury prone, thats why he didnt perform. Not worth the money.
 
KJJ said:
Agree, but you also need an efficient running game to help keep the defense off the field and fresh. It was the running game last season that helped improve the defense some by helping to keep them off the field an average of 13 fewer plays than in 2013. I believe Randle will start provided the Cowboys trust him as a blocker which he appears to have some issues with. As a runner he's quicker and more elusive than McFadden. He doesn't have the straight line speed of McFadden but he can exploit a smaller area with his quickness better than McFadden who looks stiff.
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Agree with all of this.

I believe we can have an efficient running game if we add a short yardage, bruiser type back of some quality.
 
CowboyRoy said:
Yah, see we just disagree on two fronts.

1. Murray is a very good back, but no way worth that money
2. No way this team was championship caliber with the defense and the pass rush we had. 80% of what Murray gave us can be replaced with cheap dollars and that money can be used to fund the pass rush, which it has been. All we need to do now is find another good runner or stable of good runners. That is NOT a big challenge.

In my opinion you have Murray blinders. I very much understand how the RG last year catapulted us to contender type status, but in my opinion it was 70 the line and 30% Murray. And this team will be better with a better defense and less form the running game.
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The Eagles paid Murray for what he did last year. The Cowboys were smart enough to let them do it and if any one of the much maligned bunch Dallas has now is able to have a career year for themselves in 2015, they may just let another team pay for that too in 2016.......which would reinforce their letting Murray walk this year. It's mostly the o-line. Only time will tell.
 
phildadon86 said:
Pay murray 8 million a year? Yeah no thanks
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But Dez is worth 14m and Carr is worth 10m???

8m is the going rate for top RBs and Murray proved last year what a top RB can help this team accomplish.

They are 10m under the cap and Murray's cap hit is 5m this year. At worst it would've been a 3 year deal, bout the same as Romo.
 
CowboyRoy said:
Yah, see we just disagree on two fronts.

1. Murray is a very good back, but no way worth that money
2. No way this team was championship caliber with the defense and the pass rush we had. 80% of what Murray gave us can be replaced with cheap dollars and that money can be used to fund the pass rush, which it has been. All we need to do now is find another good runner or stable of good runners. That is NOT a big challenge.

In my opinion you have Murray blinders. I very much understand how the RG last year catapulted us to contender type status, but in my opinion it was 70 the line and 30% Murray. And this team will be better with a better defense and less form the running game.
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What I'm saying is he's worth the money if it meant winning a championship and the Cowboys have added the pieces to be a championship caliber team this season. Without Murray and the current RB situation it's up in the air what kind of team the Cowboys have now. Even the great 90's teams couldn't win without Emmitt the Cowboys started off 0-2 without him in 93. I'm certainly not saying Murray is in Emmitt's league because he's not but he clearly meant as much to the Cowboys success last season as Emmitt meant to the Cowboys success in the 90's. The Cowboys lost a player they rode to the playoffs last season that changes things we just have to see how much.

Murray being in Philly can change things in a dramatic way from what we saw last season. When your rival who you've been battling for the division title with the past 2 seasons adds your MVP to their arsenal that can change the balance of power. When I said the Cowboys were a championship caliber team with Murray I'm talking about now with the defensive additions they made. With Murray gone that may have changed things. Even with the defense Seattle has without Lynch and the running game they wouldn't be the same team.
 
CowboyRoy said:
Thats exactly my point. He was injury prone, thats why he didnt perform. Not worth the money.
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He performed but injuries cut his seasons short. He was running all over Baltimore a couple of years ago and got injured the Cowboys ended up losing that game. Based off last season he was worth the money because he stayed on the field and it led to 12 wins and a promising outlook for 2015. Had he been injured and missed games the Cowboys would have been lucky to win 9 games. Based on the defensive additions the Cowboys made they had a great shot at the SB with Murray. I'm not saying they don't have a shot now but I'll be surprised if the team is as good as it was last season minus Murray. Losing him is bound to take a bite out of our offense putting more pressure on Romo.
 
CowboyRoy said:
Agree with all of this.

I believe we can have an efficient running game if we add a short yardage, bruiser type back of some quality.
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We definitely need a short yardage back but McFadden and Randle are going to have to do better jobs on first and second down so we're not in long 3rd down passing situations all season.
 
KJJ said:
We definitely need a short yardage back but McFadden and Randle are going to have to do better jobs on first and second down so we're not in long 3rd down passing situations all season.
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I agree. I see a lot of people who talk about big runs. I think Randle and McFadden both will make some big runs within the season. To me it is a concern about consistent running and being able to control the ball by being able to keep the offense in down and distances situation that keep defense off balance.
 
KJJ said:
What I'm saying is he's worth the money if it meant winning a championship and the Cowboys have added the pieces to be a championship caliber team this season. Without Murray and the current RB situation it's up in the air what kind of team the Cowboys have now. Even the great 90's teams couldn't win without Emmitt the Cowboys started off 0-2 without him in 93. I'm certainly not saying Murray is in Emmitt's league because he's not but he clearly meant as much to the Cowboys success last season as Emmitt meant to the Cowboys success in the 90's. The Cowboys lost a player they rode to the playoffs last season that changes things we just have to see how much.

Murray being in Philly can change things in a dramatic way from what we saw last season. When your rival who you've been battling for the division title with the past 2 seasons adds your MVP to their arsenal that can change the balance of power. When I said the Cowboys were a championship caliber team with Murray I'm talking about now with the defensive additions they made. With Murray gone that may have changed things. Even with the defense Seattle has without Lynch and the running game they wouldn't be the same team.
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But there is no guarantee so what kind of a hypothetical is that?

Philly had McCoy last year which in my opinion is a better back. And they actually did the stupid move. Which was pay Murray 8 million for 5 years. There is an article by Chip where he states that they knew because of Murrays injury history that they had to also sign another back in Mathews. And that 390 is way too much for Murray. So not only did they over pay for Murray, they had to sign another quality back for 7 million per year in Mathews. Waaaay stupid.

And they have no one to throw to, a fading Oline and a defense that isnt very good.
 
KJJ said:
He performed but injuries cut his seasons short. He was running all over Baltimore a couple of years ago and got injured the Cowboys ended up losing that game. Based off last season he was worth the money because he stayed on the field and it led to 12 wins and a promising outlook for 2015. Had he been injured and missed games the Cowboys would have been lucky to win 9 games. Based on the defensive additions the Cowboys made they had a great shot at the SB with Murray. I'm not saying they don't have a shot now but I'll be surprised if the team is as good as it was last season minus Murray. Losing him is bound to take a bite out of our offense putting more pressure on Romo.
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Yah, I dont know that your getting it. You keep saying, "if he stayed healthy", that is my point, he cant stay healthy. One year out of 4 is not good enough. Emmitt Smith he is not.
 
KJJ said:
We definitely need a short yardage back but McFadden and Randle are going to have to do better jobs on first and second down so we're not in long 3rd down passing situations all season.
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McFadden is going to be the 3rd down back in my opinion. How hard is it for a RB to get 4 yards when the line pushes the first two?
 
Doomsday101 said:
I agree. I see a lot of people who talk about big runs. I think Randle and McFadden both will make some big runs within the season. To me it is a concern about consistent running and being able to control the ball by being able to keep the offense in down and distances situation that keep defense off balance.
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I know it was only a preseason game but we saw what happened on Saturday being in 3rd and long situations all night. Led to a number of punts putting the defense back on the field where we struggled against the run.
 
Doomsday101 said:
I agree. I see a lot of people who talk about big runs. I think Randle and McFadden both will make some big runs within the season. To me it is a concern about consistent running and being able to control the ball by being able to keep the offense in down and distances situation that keep defense off balance.
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Agreed. My concern is on some short yardage and goal line stuff. And if Randle gets hurt, no way can we rely on Mcfadden to carry the load. We need another guy that can handle 20 carries for a few games and get the dirty yards. McFadden cannot.
 
KJJ said:
I know it was only a preseason game but we saw what happened on Saturday being in 3rd and long situations all night. Led to a number of punts putting the defense back on the field where we struggled against the run.
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I refuse to talk about the preseason game last night like it is the regular season. Pointless.

You just need to be a little patient and wait until all our horses on the line and Dez get back. That should be this week.
 
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