Looking Like McFadden Will Be The Starter

[KJJ]

Was there a reason we did not look at Matthews?

The Cowboys wanted to go dirt cheap at RB Mathews got 7.5M guaranteed on a 3 year deal that's worth 11.5M overall. Jerry made up his mind he was going to bank on the talent he has upfront because he believes any back can run behind the wall he's built. McFadden was only guaranteed $200,000 and the rest of his 2 year deal is incentive based.

 

[KJJ]

Look, I am NOT a McFaddenn fan by any stretch. But I am also NOT a huge Murray fan for 8 million for 5 seasons. McFadden had zero running lanes with the 4 carries he got. Go back and watch the tape. The ONLY way this RB thing works close to last year is if the line continues to blow open big holes. If they dont, all bets are off. But if they dont, Murray wouldnt have had the same success either.

McFadden runs up the backs of his OL he did that in Oakland. He can't push piles, make people miss or lower his head and stiff arm his way through traffic to make a play. He looks stiff! He's not an elusive downhill runner so he's going to need lanes to make plays and that's what Jerry is banking on with his OL. Murray made a lot of plays last season and in previous seasons where he had nowhere to run but made something out of nothing. He cutback and reversed field to make a number of big plays. The Cowboys don't have a back on their roster that can make the play below that Murray did vs the Giants. That was special!

You don't see that kind of ability with McFadden he needs lanes or he goes nowhere which is why he's averaged only 3.3 a carry the past 3 seasons. The Raiders had 2 backs last season that averaged more than McFadden. You admitted you're not a huge Murray fan but he was the best back the Cowboys have had since Emmitt Smith. In only 4 seasons he set the Cowboys single game rushing record behind a transitioning OL that only had one #1 pick on it and set the franchise single season rushing record.

 

[Knotamus]

The Cowboys wanted to go dirt cheap at RB Mathews got 7.5M guaranteed on a 3 year deal that's worth 11.5M overall. Jerry made up his mind he was going to bank on the talent he has upfront because he believes any back can run behind the wall he's built. McFadden was only guaranteed $200,000 and the rest of his 2 year deal is incentive based.

Inaccurate. Jerry had a ceiling he was willing to pay bc of the multiple holes he had to fill on the rest of the team, mainly on defense.(which they did admirably) he had a $6+ million a year contract on the table.. Way better than "dirt cheap".. exaggerate much? The Cowboys waited and waited for Murray bc of their loyalty and belief that Murray was going to sign and missed out on Matthews. I'm not sure Matthews was even a target anyway, but don't try blaming the FO. Murray even stated himself "that it wasn't about the money" and we all know how that turned out. Now we will roll with Randle who was drafted due to concerns about Murray staying healthy and an underperforming McFadden who was stuck on one of the worst teams of the last decade.

Love it when people manipulate the truth to try to prove their own agendas. Murray is a hated Eagle now... Move on and support your so-called team.

 

[KJJ]

Exactly. He wont get as many carries and even if he did, chances are that he would not last the entire season.

Do you think McFadden is going to last the season? He's never had more than 223 carries in a season and can't stay healthy.

 

[Nightman]

Inaccurate. Jerry had a ceiling he was willing to pay bc of the multiple holes he had to fill on the rest of the team, mainly on defense.(which they did admirably) he had a $6+ million a year contract on the table.. Way better than "dirt cheap".. exaggerate much? The Cowboys waited and waited for Murray bc of their loyalty and belief that Murray was going to sign and missed out on Matthews. I'm not sure Matthews was even a target anyway, but don't try blaming the FO. Murray even stated himself "that it wasn't about the money" and we all know how that turned out. Now we will roll with Randle who was drafted due to concerns about Murray staying healthy and an underperforming McFadden who was stuck on one of the worst teams of the last decade.

Love it when people manipulate the truth to try to prove their own agendas. Murray is a hated Eagle now... Move on and support your so-called team.

There was never any solid reporting on a real DAL offer to Murray.

The standing offer for the longest time was reported to be 4/16m.

Some people said DAL went to 6m at the end but knowing other teams were offering more made it more of a CYA offer.

They never showed any urgency in keeping Murray. It was Romo, Witten and Garrett that made the biggest gestures.

DAL wanted to go cheap at RB because someone convinced the FO that RBs are disposable, easy to find and anyone can run behind an OL like ours.

 

[etw926]

Murray is a hated Eagle now... Move on and support your so-called team.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm still trying to figure out how anyone can for sure say McFadden will be the starter.
Seems like Randle is the guy with McFadden and Dunbar getting a bunch of reps too.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm still trying to figure out how anyone can for sure say McFadden will be the starter.
Seems like Randle is the guy with McFadden and Dunbar getting a bunch of reps too.

I don't think anything has been determined as of yet.

 

[KJJ]

Inaccurate. Jerry had a ceiling he was willing to pay bc of the multiple holes he had to fill on the rest of the team, mainly on defense.(which they did admirably) he had a $6+ million a year contract on the table.. Way better than "dirt cheap".. exaggerate much? The Cowboys waited and waited for Murray bc of their loyalty and belief that Murray was going to sign and missed out on Matthews. I'm not sure Matthews was even a target anyway, but don't try blaming the FO. Murray even stated himself "that it wasn't about the money" and we all know how that turned out. Now we will roll with Randle who was drafted due to concerns about Murray staying healthy and an underperforming McFadden who was stuck on one of the worst teams of the last decade.

Love it when people manipulate the truth to try to prove their own agendas. Murray is a hated Eagle now... Move on and support your so-called team.

No one is manipulating the truth but you. Jerry had a ceiling he was willing to pay MURRAY because he established himself as an elite back last season and was the teams MVP in 2014 but if he couldn't get Murray resigned he was going cheap and bank on his OL. There were better backs available than McFadden. CJ Spiller signed the same day with NO that McFadden signed with the Cowboys but Spiller got 9M guaranteed and Jerry wasn't going to touch that. He made it clear the Cowboys weren't going to spend a lot of money on an RB if Murray was lost.

McFadden knew he wouldn't have many if any options after receiving no interest in free agency after the 2013 season and jumped at the Cowboys cheap incentive based offer. Mathews has had injury issues and the Cowboys weren't going to guarantee him the 7.5M Philly did. Jerry had his sights set on McFadden all along which is why the deal went down so quickly after Murray signed with Philly. The Cowboys waiting on Murray wasn't about loyalty it was about trying to hang on to one of their best players who they rode to the playoffs last season.

 

[KJJ]

Big whoop. Nothing there to pay a guy top dollar for. And no, the Cowboys Oline once they drafted Frederick was quality. The two things that held Murray back was injuries and Garrett.

There's was plenty there but you admitted you're not a Murray fan so there wasn't anything there for you. Not only did Murray put up a franchise record 253 yards behind a transitioning OL in 2011 but he put up just over 600 yards in 4 games that season before he got injured. The OL was far from good back then but Murray produced making a number of plays on his own. All you're doing is making excuses for McFadden who isn't half the back Murray is.

 

[CowboyRoy]

McFadden runs up the backs of his OL he did that in Oakland. He can't push piles, make people miss or lower his head and stiff arm his way through traffic to make a play. He looks stiff! He's not an elusive downhill runner so he's going to need lanes to make plays and that's what Jerry is banking on with his OL. Murray made a lot of plays last season and in previous seasons where he had nowhere to run but made something out of nothing. He cutback and reversed field to make a number of big plays. The Cowboys don't have a back on their roster that can make the play below that Murray did vs the Giants. That was special!

You don't see that kind of ability with McFadden he needs lanes or he goes nowhere which is why he's averaged only 3.3 a carry the past 3 seasons. The Raiders had 2 backs last season that averaged more than McFadden. You admitted you're not a huge Murray fan but he was the best back the Cowboys have had since Emmitt Smith. In only 4 seasons he set the Cowboys single game rushing record behind a transitioning OL that only had one #1 pick on it and set the franchise single season rushing record.

Like I said, I dont like McFadden. And as far as Murray, yah, he is the best back we have had since Emmitt. That being said, he isnt worth 8 million per year for 5 years. We really dont need a back that can make something out of nothing all the time. And Murray didnt do that even when he was here. With a line like we have, you want a back with burst, good vision, and can take it to the house. We could also use a road grader. You can all this out of several backs paid modestly instead of one injury prone guy making a boat load of money.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Do you think McFadden is going to last the season? He's never had more than 223 carries in a season and can't stay healthy.

I dont like McFadden. Absolutely no way he will last the season.

 

[CowboyRoy]

There's was plenty there but you admitted you're not a Murray fan so there wasn't anything there for you. Not only did Murray put up a franchise record 253 yards behind a transitioning OL in 2011 but he put up just over 600 yards in 4 games that season before he got injured. The OL was far from good back then but Murray produced making a number of plays on his own. All you're doing is making excuses for McFadden who isn't half the back Murray is.

I am a Murray fan, but not at 8 million for 5 years. I was hammering Garrett for 3 years to run more Murray. I was hammering Garrett to run him more his rookie year.

To be honest, I wanted them to let Murray walk and get a fresh new stud in the draft. That didnt happen. I think they wanted a fresh new stud also. No doubt these guy in management are taking a dumb risk and most of us seem to agree that going with these backs only is stupid. That being said, our RG is not going to fall apart simply because Murray is gone. I think people under value Randle if he can stay healthy.

THAT being said, I would take Kraken, Gregory, Randle and McFadden over Murray any day of the week.

 

[CowboyRoy]

There was never any solid reporting on a real DAL offer to Murray.

The standing offer for the longest time was reported to be 4/16m.

Some people said DAL went to 6m at the end but knowing other teams were offering more made it more of a CYA offer.

They never showed any urgency in keeping Murray. It was Romo, Witten and Garrett that made the biggest gestures.

DAL wanted to go cheap at RB because someone convinced the FO that RBs are disposable, easy to find and anyone can run behind an OL like ours.

No, they wanted to go cheap at RB because they know they needed the money on the defensive side of the ball. Specifically the pass rush. All you Murray complainers seem to fail to see why they really did it. It is about money more than anything. Its about the cap and where to put your cap dollars. They have decided to invest in the Oline with money and with defensive pass rushers.

I 100% completely agree with this thinking. NOT resigning Murray to some dumb contract was the #1 priority they needed to show me in regards to cap management.

When we have a top 5 defense in a year or two, trust me, you will not be complaining. At this point, all they have to do is find a quality RB or set of RB's in the next year or two and this team is looking great for as long as Romo can play well. And they are completely set up cap wise to maintain and add any pieces they may need in FA.

 

[KJJ]

Like I said, I dont like McFadden. And as far as Murray, yah, he is the best back we have had since Emmitt. That being said, he isnt worth 8 million per year for 5 years. We really dont need a back that can make something out of nothing all the time. And Murray didnt do that even when he was here. With a line like we have, you want a back with burst, good vision, and can take it to the house. We could also use a road grader. You can all this out of several backs paid modestly instead of one injury prone guy making a boat load of money.

Murray would have been worth the money if it meant going on a SB run like the Cowboys did in the early to mid 90's would you agree? The Cowboys may have thrown their chance at a championship out the window by losing Murray we'll just have to see how the running game shapes up without him. He made some huge plays running through some big holes but he also made a lot of plays on his own that were documented on NFL Network a few months ago. He has a cutback move that freed him on a lot of plays that we're not going to get with McFadden.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The Cowboys wanted to go dirt cheap at RB Mathews got 7.5M guaranteed on a 3 year deal that's worth 11.5M overall. Jerry made up his mind he was going to bank on the talent he has upfront because he believes any back can run behind the wall he's built. McFadden was only guaranteed $200,000 and the rest of his 2 year deal is incentive based.

I dont think he thinks any back can run behind this line. I legitimately think the fool likes McFadden.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Murray would have been worth the money if it meant going on a SB run like the Cowboys did in the early to mid 90's would you agree? The Cowboys may have thrown their chance at a championship out the window by losing Murray we'll just have to see how the running game shapes up without him. He made some huge plays running through some big holes but he also made a lot of plays on his own that were documented on NFL Network a few months ago. He has a cutback move that freed him on a lot of plays that we're not going to get with McFadden.

We needed a pass rush and a defense for a chance to win a championship, not Murray. WE had Murray in his best season possible and it only got us one playoff win. Defense over Murray short term and long term.

And stop talking about loser McFadden. Randle is the guy that is going to start and get most of the carries in Dallas.

 

[KJJ]

I am a Murray fan, but not at 8 million for 5 years. I was hammering Garrett for 3 years to run more Murray. I was hammering Garrett to run him more his rookie year.

To be honest, I wanted them to let Murray walk and get a fresh new stud in the draft. That didnt happen. I think they wanted a fresh new stud also. No doubt these guy in management are taking a dumb risk and most of us seem to agree that going with these backs only is stupid. That being said, our RG is not going to fall apart simply because Murray is gone. I think people under value Randle if he can stay healthy.

THAT being said, I would take Kraken, Gregory, Randle and McFadden over Murray any day of the week.

After looking at the team the Cowboys had last season with the best triplets in the league I would have paid Murray 8M because this was a championship caliber team with him and now I'm not so sure. His production helped make Romo the most efficient we've ever seen him. He took a lot of pressure off Romo which improved his decision making. Romo isn't going to be the same efficient QB if he's facing a lot of 3rd and longs this season. You don't lose a player the caliber of Murray and not feel it. If there's a significant drop off in the efficiency and consistency of the running game the Cowboys are going to be scrambling to win 9 games in 2015.

 

[KJJ]

I dont think he thinks any back can run behind this line. I legitimately think the fool likes McFadden.

There's no question he likes McFadden reports were back in 08 that he considered moving up in the draft for him. He certainly doesn't like him as much as he did based on the contract he offered him but Jerry did target him from the beginning if he lost Murray.

 

[KJJ]

We needed a pass rush and a defense for a chance to win a championship, not Murray. WE had Murray in his best season possible and it only got us one playoff win. Defense over Murray short term and long term.

And stop talking about loser McFadden. Randle is the guy that is going to start and get most of the carries in Dallas.

Agree, but you also need an efficient running game to help keep the defense off the field and fresh. It was the running game last season that helped improve the defense some by helping to keep them off the field an average of 13 fewer plays than in 2013. I believe Randle will start provided the Cowboys trust him as a blocker which he appears to have some issues with. As a runner he's quicker and more elusive than McFadden. He doesn't have the straight line speed of McFadden but he can exploit a smaller area with his quickness better than McFadden who looks stiff.