Looking Like McFadden Will Be The Starter

[CowboyRoy]

I have no doubt Mathews will come in for Murray as well as Sproles but I think Murray will get the vast majority of the load around 250 carries

250 to 300 I would say. He will have about 1300 yards and 300 yards receiving. If he plays all 16 games. Which he will not.

 

[Doomsday101]

250 to 300 I would say. He will have about 1300 yards and 300 yards receiving. If he plays all 16 games. Which he will not.

He might miss time, no way to know. RB missing time is not that shocking since they are typically ganged tackled and easy for them to get rolled up on.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You educating anyone is a joke. Philly paid him 8 mill, action are louder than any words. Does Philly have concerns sure but not enough to prevent them from spending 8 mill a year on Murray.
Go educate yourself.

When you say something laughable, like Murray isnt injury prone, when he was in college and he was 3 out of 4 years in in Dallas, that is called a lack of education. And when his NEW head coach says he is concerned about Murrays work load then the conversation is over, GAME, SET, MATCH!!!

Just because some fool over paid in FA for Murray doesnt change the facts. Its just means that Kelly was a fool. And he had to hedge his bet and sign ANOTHER good back for ANOTHER 3.7 million. Now why would you HAVE to do that if MURRAY is so all world like you say?

DUUUGHHHHH listen to his new head coach and educate yourself.



After leading the NFL in rushing yards with 1,845 and a whopping 392 rushing carries and 57 receptions, some in the NFL world were worried that Murray, at 27 years old, would burn out from the heavy workload. There, I even color coded it so you can really absorb what is important.

Chip Kelly told SI's Peter King that it is something he's concerned about, and is limiting Murray's action consequently:

"I think there is a lot of validity to it. But how do you manage him going into a season? Our plan all along was to get another running back with him. I wanted to have two running backs, and that’s why we got Ryan [Mathews]. I don’t think you can have a guy carry it 370 to 400 times per season and be successful. We’re going to run it a lot—we always do—but we’ll have more than one guy doing it."

And the Eagles are indeed exercising caution with Murray.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chip-kelly-demarco-murray-injuries-eagles-2015-8#ixzz3jvwZEUlX

 

[CowboyRoy]

He might miss time, no way to know. RB missing time is not that shocking since they are typically ganged tackled and easy for them to get rolled up on.

No you cant know, but you can look at the history. And what do you see?

 

[Sydla]

You are making an erroneous assumption because Mathews was signed one day before. That is incorrect. Obviously they had talks with both backs prior. The one day signing was a coincidence. Did you not read the words of Chip Kelly? Do I need to educate you?

Err, not quite.

The Eagles had a verbal agreement with Gore first but they knew at his age they needed another TB, so they also had a verbal agreement with Matthews. Gore got cold feet and bailed and the Eagles discovered Murray was shopping himself. They had an agreement with Matthews long before they even realized Murray was a possibility. They always wanted two TBs so Matthews really has nothing to do at all with something they specifically did for Murray. Matthews was actually the insurance policy for Frank Gore.

 

[Doomsday101]

When you say something laughable, like Murray isnt injury prone, when he was in college and he was 3 out of 4 years in in Dallas, that is called a lack of education. And when his NEW head coach says he is concerned about Murrays work load then the conversation is over, GAME, SET, MATCH!!!

Just because some fool over paid in FA for Murray doesnt change the facts. Its just means that Kelly was a fool. And he had to hedge his bet and sign ANOTHER good back for ANOTHER 3.7 million. Now why would you HAVE to do that if MURRAY is so all world like you say?

DUUUGHHHHH listen to his new head coach and educate yourself.



After leading the NFL in rushing yards with 1,845 and a whopping 392 rushing carries and 57 receptions, some in the NFL world were worried that Murray, at 27 years old, would burn out from the heavy workload. There, I even color coded it so you can really absorb what is important.

Chip Kelly told SI's Peter King that it is something he's concerned about, and is limiting Murray's action consequently:

"I think there is a lot of validity to it. But how do you manage him going into a season? Our plan all along was to get another running back with him. I wanted to have two running backs, and that’s why we got Ryan [Mathews]. I don’t think you can have a guy carry it 370 to 400 times per season and be successful. We’re going to run it a lot—we always do—but we’ll have more than one guy doing it."

And the Eagles are indeed exercising caution with Murray.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chip-kelly-demarco-murray-injuries-eagles-2015-8#ixzz3jvwZEUlX

and didn't I say Murray would likely get around 250 carries about 15 a game avg. Murray is their to be the lead RB that is why he got 8 mill and Mathews 3.5. It likely is not some equal work load. Again you trying to teach anyone is a joke, you may impress yourself you are nothing to me but a loud mouth.

 

[DFWJC]

I have no doubt Mathews will come in for Murray as well as Sproles but I think Murray will get the vast majority of the load around 250 carries

Sounds about right

 

[Doomsday101]

Sounds about right

I don't see any RB taking the load that Murray did last season and even had he remained I highly doubt he would be at 396 this year or any other year he plays. As much as Minn relies on AP he never once took that kind of load.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Lining up as a single back set, 10-15 yards in the backfield has never worked for McFadden or anywho in the NFL, and it didn't work the other night.

Any RB needs to be patient to hit holes in the NFL. Darren refuses to do the one thing that could help him, follow his blocks. Slow down your roll, then explode through the hole into the 2nd and 3rd level.

There has to be a small amount of time, or a window for blocks to develop, and the runner has to be under enough control to follow those blockers.

 

[Omegasupreme]

This is Linehan's first total control of the Garrett playbook. He stated that Callahan designed and sent him the running plays and he would decide what to send to the huddle. But now Linehan will have to design and call both types of plays. Similar to Jason, his running plays are not that varied or complex. He doesn't use a lot of formations or deception (which worked well for a Murray type back who got 2.6 yards of his 5 ypc after contact) in his running plays but if you watch the Miami and Detroit years, he likes delayed handoffs but even more so , he prefers huge helpings of screens, hooks or valves in the flats to the running backs. He likes open space for the RB to start the reception even if it's just a few yards beyond the LOS and then find blocking downfield. I think he likes the RB pass option better than a pure running play because if there are openings downfield, the long pass is available. Otherwise, can just try to move the chains with a dump off.

That said, I think the number of RB carries will be markedly lower than Murray's in 2014 but the total RB touches could be about the same as 2014. I think Dunbar will be one of those 40 catch type RBs (that's like 2.5 catches a game) with about as many rushes as Randle had last year.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

No you cant know, but you can look at the history. And what do you see?

This is what I see -

Running back Darren McFadden was held out of team and 7-on-7 drills because of a sore neck from the game against the San Francisco 49ers. He played four snaps in the game.

 

[Stash]

This is what I see -

Running back Darren McFadden was held out of team and 7-on-7 drills because of a sore neck from the game against the San Francisco 49ers. He played four snaps in the game.

And that's all you need to see.

Relying on him is foolish.

 

[dallasdave]

Lining up as a single back set, 10-15 yards in the backfield has never worked for McFadden or anywho in the NFL, and it didn't work the other night.

Any RB needs to be patient to hit holes in the NFL. Darren refuses to do the one thing that could help him, follow his blocks. Slow down your roll, then explode through the hole into the 2nd and 3rd level.

There has to be a small amount of time, or a window for blocks to develop, and the runner has to be under enough control to follow those blockers.

Well said my friend.

 

[dallasdave]

And that's all you need to see.

Relying on him is foolish.

Thank you, Dunbar and McFadden are to fragile to play a lot of downs, we need a real backup RB, and we need him now !

 

[JoeBoBBY]

HowAboutThemCowboys said: ↑
This is what I see -

Running back Darren McFadden was held out of team and 7-on-7 drills because of a sore neck from the game against the San Francisco 49ers. He played four snaps in the game.

And that's all you need to see.

Relying on him is foolish.

Relying being the key word.

I want DMC to produce more then anybody. But I hate the fact that he will have to produce in our RBBC approach to give us a shot at winning;

When it gets down to Dunbar and Gus splitting carries with Randle...... Its going to hurt us. Cost us.

 

[GiveDezdaBall88]

Murray is going to run for almost 2k yards in phila, we could have just franchised him if we didnt want to siign him long term

 

[CowboyRoy]

Err, not quite.

The Eagles had a verbal agreement with Gore first but they knew at his age they needed another TB, so they also had a verbal agreement with Matthews. Gore got cold feet and bailed and the Eagles discovered Murray was shopping himself. They had an agreement with Matthews long before they even realized Murray was a possibility. They always wanted two TBs so Matthews really has nothing to do at all with something they specifically did for Murray. Matthews was actually the insurance policy for Frank Gore.

Err.....Read it and weep.

After leading the NFL in rushing yards with 1,845 and a whopping 392 rushing carries and 57 receptions, some in the NFL world were worried that Murray, at 27 years old, would burn out from the heavy workload.

Chip Kelly told SI's Peter King that it is something he's concerned about, and is limiting Murray's action consequently:

"I think there is a lot of validity to it. But how do you manage him going into a season? Our plan all along was to get another running back with him. I wanted to have two running backs, and that’s why we got Ryan [Mathews]. I don’t think you can have a guy carry it 370 to 400 times per season and be successful. We’re going to run it a lot—we always do—but we’ll have more than one guy doing it."

And the Eagles are indeed exercising caution with Murray.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chip-kelly-demarco-murray-injuries-eagles-2015-8#ixzz3jvwZEUlX

 

[CowboyRoy]

and didn't I say Murray would likely get around 250 carries about 15 a game avg. Murray is their to be the lead RB that is why he got 8 mill and Mathews 3.5. It likely is not some equal work load. Again you trying to teach anyone is a joke, you may impress yourself you are nothing to me but a loud mouth.

Nothing to impress. He was injury prone in college and injury prone in Dallas. Those are the facts. If you dont think that is injury prone, then you just dont understand what injury prone means. Your are either incapable of understanding the nature of the term injury prone, or you dont want to admit it based on your stubborn cry baby nature.

You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink. Murray has been injury prone, that is 100% fact.

The cowboys knew it, and his new employer knows it. Whether you know it or not is completely inconsequential.

 

[superonyx]

With Murray, we cant sign the Kraken and there was no way for them to know before hand that we would have gotten Gregory in the back of the 2nd round.

Again, Murray was a good back, but nothing special, and he would never have had another season like last year, and he was not worth the money and the contract he signed.

You want your cake and eat it too and you simply cant do that in the NFL anymore. I applaud the Cowboys for no longer just spending for the hell of it in areas they cant afford to. It was more the line than Murray last year. As was proven the first 3 years that Murray was here.

I love watching this debate. All sides make some really good points. However, you should make sure you present facts that are actual facts. We could have signed Murray and the Kracken if we wanted to. We offered Murray a contract that was only 1.5 to 2 million less than what he got from philly. Plus Romo could have restructured before he did and that would have created room. So what you are saying isn't true. In fact it's been said to you before and you continue to ignore the facts and replace real facts with your version of facts.

Then you say it was proven to be the line the first 3 years MurrY was here.....yet Murray averaged more yards per rush in 2 of the first 3 years than he did last year...

The main difference between the previous years and last year was our coaches commitment to the run game. In the past years we would roll off 10 straight pass plays...last year we changed that. We ran first and threw second.

I get it that Randle, McFadden, Joe Six Pack and every back out there can have some success behind a dominant line...the main thing that concerns me and the thing that made us special last year was our ability to run even when defenses stacked 8 in the box. We were very successful when teams tried to take our run game away last year...Murray may have ran out of bounds often or ran without the top end in the open field..but he was a bruising force inside when the box was stacked and we needed to run the ball play after play. Not flashy or dashy but very effective and chrurning out tough yards.

I hope we can have the physical presence this year to keep running effectively when the defense is trying to take it away from us. I don't want us to go back to taking what the defense gives us...I loved the swagger from rolling over defenses and beating on them until they broke.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This is what I see -

Running back Darren McFadden was held out of team and 7-on-7 drills because of a sore neck from the game against the San Francisco 49ers. He played four snaps in the game.

We are talking about Murray.