Looking Like McFadden Will Be The Starter

[CowboyRoy]

I never said McFadden sucks he's an average back and average doesn't mean a player sucks.

Whatever!!

 

[KJJ]

LOL...so you and I are talking about McFadden right now or Murray?

Wow, you just love to get kicked around the board dont you?

The thread centers around all our backs regardless which one is the focal point because a starter hasn't been named. Don't make this personal. Are you the same CowboyRoy from my old board? You seem to have the same MO.

 

[KJJ]

Never said the back didnt matter. And the RB doesnt get past the line without a hole.

Just answer this one question for me:

What is more important to a running game the Oline or the back?

A. Back
B. Line

Murray got past the OL many times without a hole. If a back is going to be worth a damn and stay in the lineup they have to be able to manufacture some plays out of nothing. Sometimes they have to push piles and break some tackles to make a play that's how it is in the NFL. If it's going to take a parting of the red sea for a back to produce they won't last.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The thread centers around all our backs regardless which one is the focal point because a starter hasn't been named. Don't make this personal. Are you the same CowboyRoy from my old board? You seem to have the same MO.

Murray was just not worth the contract.

That is the big point for me. Not that Murray wasnt good, but that we can get his type of production from someone cheaper. The big mistake was taking no one in the draft and relying on what we currently have.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Murray got past the OL many times without a hole. If a back is going to be worth a damn and stay in the lineup they have to be able to manufacture some plays out of nothing. Sometimes they have to push piles and break some tackles to make a play that's how it is in the NFL. If it's going to take a parting of the red sea for a back to produce they won't last.

Why dont we just cut to the chase here.

What is your EXACT point about Murray?

 

[Sydla]

LOL....read the article my man and stop going off on a tangent.

FACT: Murray is not capable of handling a full load like last year all the time. They wanted two backs to split up the carries. So Murray, like McFadden and Randle are in a RB by committee tandem. So Murray was overpaid for what he is gong to be asked to do.

And over paying for injury prone back is just plain stupid. When Gore took a hike on them they had to get desperate because Mathews is also INJURY prone. So they had to over pay for Murray.

." I wanted to have two running backs, and that’s why we got Ryan [Mathews]. I don’t think you can have a guy carry it 370 to 400 times per season and be successful"

This is Chip Kelly slapping you up side the head and telling you like how it really is. Whether they signed one before the other is inconsequential.





Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chip-kelly-demarco-murray-injuries-eagles-2015-8#ixzz3jvwZEUlX

Oy vey.

And to call me a Murray fan when I was on board with letting him walk at that price is hilarious.

 

[KJJ]

Just answer this one question for me:

What is more important to a running game the Oline or the back?

I would pick the back because a great back can produce behind even a decent OL because they make plays that aren't there just watch Barry Sanders highlights. Backs like Early Campbell could have produced behind just about any decent OL. You don't need a "great" OL for a "great" back to produce. They can bounce plays outside, slip a defender and break a tackle to escape and make a play all the "great" backs did that. Backs don't become great by running through gaping holes all day they become great by turning a loss into a gain and making something out of nothing.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Murray got past the OL many times without a hole. If a back is going to be worth a damn and stay in the lineup they have to be able to manufacture some plays out of nothing. Sometimes they have to push piles and break some tackles to make a play that's how it is in the NFL. If it's going to take a parting of the red sea for a back to produce they won't last.

You stick a good back behind a good line in a good offense and give him the carries and he thrives. We see this all the time in the NFL each year. Guys come out of nowwhere. CJ Anderson is a perfect example last year.

But I am going to definitely enjoy watching this year play out. Murray in Philly and Randle in Dallas. Push is going to have to come to shove.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Oy vey.

And to call me a Murray fan when I was on board with letting him walk at that price is hilarious.

Good, then we are arguing about nothing. We agree.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I would pick the back because a great back can produce behind even a decent OL because they make plays that aren't there just watch Barry Sanders highlights. Backs like Early Campbell could have produced behind just about any decent OL. You don't need a "great" OL for a "great" back to produce. They can bounce plays outside, slip a defender and break a tackle to escape and make a play all the "great" backs did that. Backs don't become great by running through gaping holes all day they become great by turning a loss into a gain and making something out of nothing.

Here is the problem with your thinking:

Murray is NOT Earl Cambel or Sanders. I would take those guys too over a great line.

This is the issue for me. Some of you guys are acting like he is.

The Current state of the Cowboys is a great line. Probably the best. So based on that scenario, you do NOT need to overpay a very good back like he is Earl Campbell.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I would pick the back because a great back can produce behind even a decent OL because they make plays that aren't there just watch Barry Sanders highlights. Backs like Early Campbell could have produced behind just about any decent OL. You don't need a "great" OL for a "great" back to produce. They can bounce plays outside, slip a defender and break a tackle to escape and make a play all the "great" backs did that. Backs don't become great by running through gaping holes all day they become great by turning a loss into a gain and making something out of nothing.

YOu pretty much answered the question for me.

The ONLY way you take the back over the line is if its a guy like Early Cambell.

 

[KJJ]

Why dont we just cut to the chase here.

What is your EXACT point about Murray?

My point is the Cowboys don't currently have a back of Murray's ability and I don't believe the running game will be as good as it was last season because of it. Having backs to make up the total yards you're losing isn't the issue it's having a back or backs who can pick up the "critical" yards that win games in the 4th quarter. McFadden showed he couldn't do that in Oakland. Murray's loss has the potential to affect several area's of the team because there's a trickle down effect that can occur when losing a key player who was so depended upon.

I still believe the Cowboys will be able to run the ball but not as well especially in short yardage unless they can pick up a thumper in the final cuts. Murray provided almost 2400 all purpose yards last season that's a lot of production to be made up and some of that production came in key situations that helped win games. He was a "great" player "last season" his numbers back it up and if his replacements don't provide the impact he did I don't see how the Cowboys will be as good a team as they were in 2014. It's going to be very difficult to duplicate or surpass last season if the running game takes a significant hit.

 

[Sydla]

I would pick the back because a great back can produce behind even a decent OL because they make plays that aren't there just watch Barry Sanders highlights. Backs like Early Campbell could have produced behind just about any decent OL. You don't need a "great" OL for a "great" back to produce. They can bounce plays outside, slip a defender and break a tackle to escape and make a play all the "great" backs did that. Backs don't become great by running through gaping holes all day they become great by turning a loss into a gain and making something out of nothing.

I don't know. You can find examples of success for both cases. Denver turned in some pretty good teams with decent backs and a stud OL.

 

[KJJ]

Murray was just not worth the contract.

That's your opinion we'll find out this season if he wasn't worth it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

My point is the Cowboys don't currently have a back of Murray's ability and I don't believe the running game will be as good as it was last season because of it. Having backs to make up the total yards you're losing isn't the issue it's having a back or backs who can pick up the "critical" yards that win games in the 4th quarter. McFadden showed he couldn't do that in Oakland. Murray's loss has the potential to affect several area's of the team because there's a trickle down effect that can occur when losing a key player who was so depended upon.

I still believe the Cowboys will be able to run the ball but not as well especially in short yardage unless they can pick up a thumper in the final cuts. Murray provided almost 2400 all purpose yards last season that's a lot of production to be made up and some of that production came in key situations that helped win games. He was a "great" player "last season" his numbers back it up and if his replacements don't provide the impact he did I don't see how the Cowboys will be as good a team as they were in 2014. It's going to be very difficult to duplicate or surpass last season if the running game takes a significant hit.

Good, we agree on 95%.

The only place where we disagree is that I believe the added focus on the defense and the pass rush will make this team better. But then again, we dont know what injuries we are going to have. I also dont think the run game will take a significant hit. It wont be as good, but still a very good run game.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don't know. You can find examples of success for both cases. Denver turned in some pretty good teams with decent backs and a stud OL.

I am actually really looking forward to this season. Because I dont see how this EXACT scenario of this year and last year dont answer the question once and for all.

We basically have a great line both years with one year being a very good back in Murray, then the next being a committee of mediocre level type backs.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That's your opinion we'll find out this season if he wasn't worth it.

Yah, I would feel more comfortable on that one if we had better backs then we do right now.

 

[KJJ]

I don't know. You can find examples of success for both cases. Denver turned in some pretty good teams with decent backs and a stud OL.

Denver had a system in the late 90's early 2000's that produced several 1000 yard rushers and one 2000 yard rusher who was a 4.7 40 guy. After Davis' success Denver had a different back almost every year produce over 1000 yards. Clinton Portis had back to back 1500 yard seasons that produced 29 TD's. Mike Anderson had around 1400 yards and the legendary Reuben Droughns had over 1200 rushing yards in 2004. It wasn't like the Rams, Bears, Oilers, Cowboys and Lions were producing a different 1000 yard rusher every season.

 

[Idgit]

As much as a marshmallow fight as this thread has turned out to be, please, everybody, try to keep it civil. There are no dumb people, only dumb arguments.

Not really, but the guidelines make it pretty clear that we try to be nice to each other, even when it's so very hard.

 

[KJJ]

Good, we agree on 95%.

The only place where we disagree is that I believe the added focus on the defense and the pass rush will make this team better. But then again, we dont know what injuries we are going to have. I also dont think the run game will take a significant hit. It wont be as good, but still a very good run game.

We have no idea at this point if last season was a fluke because the Cowboys were picked by many to be one of the worst teams in the league last and some had them picked as the worst. The season the Cowboys had last year came out of nowhere so they're going to have to have to validate it this season and it might not be easy to do without arguably their MVP from last season. We'll just have to see how this season plays out.