Looking Like McFadden Will Be The Starter

[Idgit]

Not even close to the same. This team was dead in the water when he went to Arizona. Not a 27yr old who still had tons left in the tank that just led his team to a 12 win season. Emmitt was simply just wanting to pad his rushing stats at this point and we didn't want to pay him to do that.

Or...Emmitt was an all-time great with durability and production that surpassed what most backs have been able to do in the history of the league and Demarco is a guy right at the edge of the precipice where performance tends to plummet who had his biggest season totaling nearly 500 touches last year and who's been the subject of some debate for his role in Eagles camp this summer. I guess we'll find out, soon enough.

 

[KJJ]

If we signed Murray back, none of this talk would be going on. But since he signed with Philly, now he's overrated.

You got that right if Murray was resigned all this talk about him leaving meat on the bone, being slow, having no vision and running to darkness wouldn't be going on. Amazing how a back that could have that much going against them could have accomplished as much as he did in the 4 years he was with the Cowboys. He set a franchise single game rushing record behind a transitioning OL on a team that went 8-8. He set a single season franchise rushing record out rushing his competition by over 500 yards and set an NFL record of 8 straight 100 yard games to start a season but most here act like he was a liability and the Cowboys will be better off without him. No one wants to talk about all the positives he provided last season now that he's in Philly they just want to talk about his fumbles and how some of his long runs could of been even longer if he had better vision and speed. Several months ago when we were all speculating what backs might be available if the Cowboys lost Murray and McFadden's name came up everyone scoffed but once Murray left and McFadden was signed all of a sudden everyone started finding positives with him.

McFadden is like the chick you see at a nightclub around 8 pm that you wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole but a few hours later when the place is about to close all of a sudden they start looking a lot better to you. Murray is like the chick you dated for 4 years and deep down wanted to keep but once they left you for someone else all of a sudden who cares they weren't that good anyway. We all better hope Murray doesn't frequent this board because he's been given plenty of motivation to prove all his naysayers wrong. Some need to go back and watch his performance vs Seattle as he scratched and clawed his way for just over 100 yards against one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in a decade. He punished the Legion of Doom. The strength of the Seahawks defense is their run D and Murray wore them down. Below he's abusing Richard Sherman on his TD run. That win solidified the Cowboys as a legit contender in 2014 we all knew after that game the Cowboys were for real.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

And that's fair. There were those.

And like I said, I was not opposed letting a back go that had that much workload as the numbers show their next season is a steep decline.

My issue is what we did once he left. We essentially added McFadden. Which is a huge downgrade. And just moved Randle and Dunbar up the depth chart, which are also downgrades. We downgraded significantly at a very key position of our offense last year. You didn't see Seattle let Lynch go. Because they know they have something good. Who cares if you have to pay a little more than what you want. That's life in general. You don't always come out on top because you cut corners and saved money. Scared money doesn't always win.

If you are going to boldly make a move like, better have a plan on the replacement. And McFadden is hardly that. Or Randle/Dunbar.

Might as well have kept him.

I'm fine with allocating rb dollars to hardy. Can't have it all.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Never said he wasn't injury prone. He didn't have as great a year in 2013 as last season because not only did he miss 2 games but he was nagged by an injury he played with plus the Cowboys OL got better. No one ever said the OL hasn't contributed to his success it clearly has but the point I've made and proven is he's produced behind every OL the Cowboys have put in front of him.

Good, so we agree that he is injury prone. (Ah nicked up)

And sorry, YPC is not production. You might want to act like it is because it is the ONLY stat that remotely supports your argument.

Actually getting yards and TD's is called production. Then according to your model, Randle was the MOST productive back last year because he averaged the most YPC. Doesnt make any sense.

Fact of the matter is you need to be healthy in order to have great production overall, he has not been healthy. He HAS been injury prone as you finally admitted. Nicked up, however, you want to put it. When you consistently miss games in 3 out of 4 years then that is injury prone. Not to mention his injury prone college career.

 

[CowboyRoy]

First of all Murray is not a great running back.

Second of all please be joking. You build from the trenches.

Common sense football 101.

You ask a guy who is more important the RB or the line and he tells me the RB because Barry Sanders could get something out of nothing. LOL

So if you have the best RB of all time, then the line isnt more important. LOL

I had to remind him that Murray isnt Barry Sanders or Earl Campbell.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He was a great RB last season. You build by adding a solid QB and go from there.

No, you dont all of a sudden become a GREAT RB. YOu either are or you are NOT a great RB.

Murray is a good back that had a GREAT season. The reason he had a great season are the following: (besides the fact that he ran well himself)

-Best run blocking line in the NFL
-He finally got the opportunity with Linehan that Garrett was too scared or committed to provide
-We have a great passing game and offense with Romo, Dez, Witten, ect...ect...
-He miraculously got 392 carrries that he NEVER will again
-He finally, just happen to stay healthy the entire year, which he has NEVER done before in the NFL.


All 5 of these miraculous events had to occur in order for Murray to have the season he did. If one doesnt happen, he doesnt have a GREAT season.

And since you are so up in arms about YPC, why dont you tell me what his YPC were the 2nd half of the season?

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[CowboyRoy]

You got that right if Murray was resigned all this talk about him leaving meat on the bone, being slow, having no vision and running to darkness wouldn't be going on. Amazing how a back that could have that much going against them could have accomplished as much as he did in the 4 years he was with the Cowboys. He set a franchise single game rushing record behind a transitioning OL on a team that went 8-8. He set a single season franchise rushing record out rushing his competition by over 500 yards and set an NFL record of 8 straight 100 yard games to start a season but most here act like he was a liability and the Cowboys will be better off without him. No one wants to talk about all the positives he provided last season now that he's in Philly they just want to talk about his fumbles and how some of his long runs could of been even longer if he had better vision and speed. Several months ago when we were all speculating what backs might be available if the Cowboys lost Murray and McFadden's name came up everyone scoffed but once Murray left and McFadden was signed all of a sudden everyone started finding positives with him.

McFadden is like the chick you see at a nightclub around 8 pm that you wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole but a few hours later when the place is about to close all of a sudden they start looking a lot better to you. Murray is like the chick you dated for 4 years and deep down wanted to keep but once they left you for someone else all of a sudden who cares they weren't that good anyway. We all better hope Murray doesn't frequent this board because he's been given plenty of motivation to prove all his naysayers wrong. Some need to go back and watch his performance vs Seattle as he scratched and clawed his way for just over 100 yards against one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in a decade. He punished the Legion of Doom. The strength of the Seahawks defense is their run D and Murray wore them down. Below he's abusing Richard Sherman on his TD run. That win solidified the Cowboys as a legit contender in 2014 we all knew after that game the Cowboys were for real.

There may be some that dont like Murray because he is in Philly, but for my money, it was easy for me to tell while he was here. After all, we had 4 season to watch him and 3 injury prone seasons the first 3. Thats all anyone needed. For my money, them NOT signing Murray to some dumb contract was the #1 offseason priority. That and resigning our coordinators.

 

[casmith07]

Go read to some of the comments concerning his fumble in the Green Bay game many blame him for the loss. No he didn't do it all by himself but he's a much better player than he's being given credit for.

The fumble was indeed huge. I still don't see anybody who has a rational thought process saying the things you are alleging.

Most people know that Murray was a good player who struggled to stay on the field, and then magically stayed on the field for 18 games in a contract year.

 

[casmith07]

I'm on record for not wanting to resign Murray during the season. Can't speak for anyone else.

Once I saw what we were doing, basically driving him like a rented car, I didn't want to re-sign him at all, even in the off-season.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You got that right if Murray was resigned all this talk about him leaving meat on the bone, being slow, having no vision and running to darkness wouldn't be going on. Amazing how a back that could have that much going against them could have accomplished as much as he did in the 4 years he was with the Cowboys. He set a franchise single game rushing record behind a transitioning OL on a team that went 8-8. He set a single season franchise rushing record out rushing his competition by over 500 yards and set an NFL record of 8 straight 100 yard games to start a season but most here act like he was a liability and the Cowboys will be better off without him. No one wants to talk about all the positives he provided last season now that he's in Philly they just want to talk about his fumbles and how some of his long runs could of been even longer if he had better vision and speed. Several months ago when we were all speculating what backs might be available if the Cowboys lost Murray and McFadden's name came up everyone scoffed but once Murray left and McFadden was signed all of a sudden everyone started finding positives with him.

McFadden is like the chick you see at a nightclub around 8 pm that you wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole but a few hours later when the place is about to close all of a sudden they start looking a lot better to you. Murray is like the chick you dated for 4 years and deep down wanted to keep but once they left you for someone else all of a sudden who cares they weren't that good anyway. We all better hope Murray doesn't frequent this board because he's been given plenty of motivation to prove all his naysayers wrong. Some need to go back and watch his performance vs Seattle as he scratched and clawed his way for just over 100 yards against one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in a decade. He punished the Legion of Doom. The strength of the Seahawks defense is their run D and Murray wore them down. Below he's abusing Richard Sherman on his TD run. That win solidified the Cowboys as a legit contender in 2014 we all knew after that game the Cowboys were for real.

Didnt Hambrick have a 200 yard game here in Dallas on a bad team? Another useless stat.

And as far as McFadden, show me the people that have said that Mcfadden is a good RB or is the answer here in Dallas. Jerry Jones is the ONLY clown touting McFadden as anything more than a spare part.

And yah, that was a great day for the run game. But again, the Oline was a big part of that and still no reason to overpay for Murray.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The fumble was indeed huge. I still don't see anybody who has a rational thought process saying the things you are alleging.

Most people know that Murray was a good player who struggled to stay on the field, and then magically stayed on the field for 18 games in a contract year.

magically is a good way to put it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Posts like what KJJ just said just proves that he has never played the game. smh

He thinks that one man (running back) is more important than 5 big uglies. Only a tennis player of golfer would say such asinine things.

 

[casmith07]

Didnt Hambrick have a 200 yard game here in Dallas on a bad team? Another useless stat.

And as far as McFadden, show me the people that have said that Mcfadden is a good RB or is the answer here in Dallas. Jerry Jones is the ONLY clown touting McFadden as anything more than a spare part.

And yah, that was a great day for the run game. But again, the Oline was a big part of that and still no reason to overpay for Murray.

No, but he ran for 189 at Washington in 2003. 27-0 shutout in favor of the Cowboys.

I didn't even think Darren McFadden would be on the roster by the end of camp.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

No, but he ran for 189 at Washington in 2003. 27-0 shutout in favor of the Cowboys.

I didn't even think Darren McFadden would be on the roster by the end of camp.

Jerry is obviously taking his shot with Darren.

He will last the season or until his health rubs our whichever cones first... It's a 1 year/1,000 mile warranty lol

 

[casmith07]

Jerry is obviously taking his shot with Darren.

He will last the season or until his health rubs our whichever cones first... It's a 1 year/1,000 mile warranty lol

Jerry wanted McFadden the year we took Felix. This is just scratching that itch, I think.

At least he was bargain bin priced on his contract, haha.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Jerry wanted McFadden the year we took Felix. This is just scratching that itch, I think.

At least he was bargain bin priced on his contract, haha.

I can't disagree on both counts.

I am holding out more hope .... Hope that we get some bang for our buck regardless of contract though....

 

[casmith07]

I can't disagree on both counts.

I am holding out more hope .... Hope that we get some bang for our buck regardless of contract though....

Oh I absolutely hope he has a great year - revitalized. It would only help this team out. I don't root for anybody wearing the star to fail like some mutants around here.

 

[dallasdave]

Once I saw what we were doing, basically driving him like a rented car, I didn't want to re-sign him at all, even in the off-season.

Are you saying ridden too hard and not taken care of ?

 

[dallasdave]

Oh I absolutely hope he has a great year - revitalized. It would only help this team out. I don't root for anybody wearing the star to fail like some mutants around here.

Just hope he can stay healthy, but wish he would have some big time runs and help the team.

 

[DandyDon52]

No, you dont all of a sudden become a GREAT RB. YOu either are or you are NOT a great RB.

Murray is a good back that had a GREAT season. The reason he had a great season are the following: (besides the fact that he ran well himself)

-Best run blocking line in the NFL
-He finally got the opportunity with Linehan that Garrett was too scared or committed to provide
-We have a great passing game and offense with Romo, Dez, Witten, ect...ect...
-He miraculously got 392 carrries that he NEVER will again
-He finally, just happen to stay healthy the entire year, which he has NEVER done before in the NFL.


All 5 of these miraculous events had to occur in order for Murray to have the season he did. If one doesnt happen, he doesnt have a GREAT season.

And since you are so up in arms about YPC, why dont you tell me what his YPC were the 2nd half of the season?

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How would you explain the 8 in a row 100+ games that no RB has done in 50 years ?
And if you say the off line, then the starter this year should be able to do that too.
allthough the RB by committee is a way of defecting comparisons to murray, I think that is the intent of cowboys too.

that also means no RB in last 50 years had as good a line as dallas 2014.
Otherwise you have to wonder how a guy with no vision or speed and is injury prone could break that record.
AP , lynch , and the list goes on, none of them did it.