Looking Like McFadden Will Be The Starter

[Blackspider214]

I'm fine with allocating rb dollars to hardy. Can't have it all.

I'm not an expert on the salary cap by any means and won't really discuss it but from reading around, couldn't we have kept Murray and paid Hardy his game by game salary as well?

Maybe we would have had to cut Carr to do that. Which in hindsight, was a good thing we did not.

 

[Sydla]

You got that right if Murray was resigned all this talk about him leaving meat on the bone, being slow, having no vision and running to darkness wouldn't be going on. Amazing how a back that could have that much going against them could have accomplished as much as he did in the 4 years he was with the Cowboys. He set a franchise single game rushing record behind a transitioning OL on a team that went 8-8. He set a single season franchise rushing record out rushing his competition by over 500 yards and set an NFL record of 8 straight 100 yard games to start a season but most here act like he was a liability and the Cowboys will be better off without him. No one wants to talk about all the positives he provided last season now that he's in Philly they just want to talk about his fumbles and how some of his long runs could of been even longer if he had better vision and speed. Several months ago when we were all speculating what backs might be available if the Cowboys lost Murray and McFadden's name came up everyone scoffed but once Murray left and McFadden was signed all of a sudden everyone started finding positives with him.

McFadden is like the chick you see at a nightclub around 8 pm that you wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole but a few hours later when the place is about to close all of a sudden they start looking a lot better to you. Murray is like the chick you dated for 4 years and deep down wanted to keep but once they left you for someone else all of a sudden who cares they weren't that good anyway. We all better hope Murray doesn't frequent this board because he's been given plenty of motivation to prove all his naysayers wrong. Some need to go back and watch his performance vs Seattle as he scratched and clawed his way for just over 100 yards against one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in a decade. He punished the Legion of Doom. The strength of the Seahawks defense is their run D and Murray wore them down. Below he's abusing Richard Sherman on his TD run. That win solidified the Cowboys as a legit contender in 2014 we all knew after that game the Cowboys were for real.

So what?

It's what fans do. Everywhere. Last year at this time, if a Cowboys fan told an Eagles fan how good Murray was, the Eagles fan would claim Murray was overrated, slow, injury prone. Now, Eagles fans think Murray is the best RB in the league not named Peterson.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No, but he ran for 189 at Washington in 2003. 27-0 shutout in favor of the Cowboys.

I didn't even think Darren McFadden would be on the roster by the end of camp.

I think they will find out quite quickly that Randle is the best back on this team by far. And that Mcchicken is too fragile and not a good enough back even when he is healthy. I mean lets be serious here..............If McFadden gets hurt for any length of time, Randle is going to be getting 25 carries per game during that time.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

How would you explain the 8 in a row 100+ games that no RB has done in 50 years ?
And if you say the off line, then the starter this year should be able to do that too.
allthough the RB by committee is a way of defecting comparisons to murray, I think that is the intent of cowboys too.

that also means no RB in last 50 years had as good a line as dallas 2014.
Otherwise you have to wonder how a guy with no vision or speed and is injury prone could break that record.
AP , lynch , and the list goes on, none of them did it.

I doubt it's going to be RB by committee. It's going to be Randle because McFadden will never last.

 

[KJJ]

The fumble was indeed huge. I still don't see anybody who has a rational thought process saying the things you are alleging.

Most people know that Murray was a good player who struggled to stay on the field, and then magically stayed on the field for 18 games in a contract year.

Everything I've said people are saying is a fact. Do you think all the comments about him leaving meat on the bone, having no vision, being slow and running to darkness are a figment of my imagination? If you've done enough reading here since last season ended you'll see that many blamed his fumble for costing the Cowboys the Packers game. They turned the other cheek to his 123 yards, TD and his 4.9 rushing average in that game and continue to point the finger at his fumble making him out to be the goat. They ignore the fact the Cowboys had no pass rush and that a one legged Aaron Rodgers was picking them apart they continue to blame Murray. I posted a video clip of the best play he ever made as a Cowboy vs the Giants on opening night 3 years ago where he was totally corralled and somehow turned a huge loss into a huge gain but someone decided to tear the play apart claiming he didn't get as much as he could have and that he ran to darkness. LOL Because of his fumbles and the lack of great speed and what some perceive as a lack of vision he's been labeled by a few as a liability. Not everyone has crapped on him because many of us appreciated what he did and recognized he was an excellent player who greatly contributed to the Cowboys making the playoffs last season.

Most know Murray is a good player even the ones who are bagging on him but now that he's in Philly he's become a whipping boy for some and many are in denial about how much impacted the team last season. Many are giving the OL most of the credit for his success with some claiming just about any back could have produced what he did behind the Cowboys OL. I've read posts from several here claiming Randle could have produced what Murray did had he been given the chance but if the Cowboys believed that he would have been in there sharing a lot more of the load and Murray wouldn't have received 392 carries. Once it became apparent it was going to cost a fortune to resign Murray many began talking themselves out of wanting him back. They began downplaying his importance to the team with some going as far as to tear down his game to try and justify not resigning him. All kinds of ridiculous things were being posted in an attempt by some to render him as an average back. By the time Murray left for Philly many here had convinced themselves he's just another back and that the Cowboys won't miss a beat without him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

How would you explain the 8 in a row 100+ games that no RB has done in 50 years ?
And if you say the off line, then the starter this year should be able to do that too.
allthough the RB by committee is a way of defecting comparisons to murray, I think that is the intent of cowboys too.

that also means no RB in last 50 years had as good a line as dallas 2014.
Otherwise you have to wonder how a guy with no vision or speed and is injury prone could break that record.
AP , lynch , and the list goes on, none of them did it.

Best Oline in football, Good back that was given nealry 30 carries a game to do it. First half of the year defenses were respecting the pass more than the run.

Im not convinced that Randle could duplicate that feat given the same amount of carries. But if he was healthy, I have no doubts it would be close.

Again, Murray is a good back, just not worth 8 million for 5 years. And definitely not with it with this Oline.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I doubt it's going to be RB by committee. It's going to be Randle because McFadden will never last.

I would have to agree with this. AS soon as they figure out Mcchicken is worse and/or he gets hurt.

 

[Nightman]

I'm not an expert on the salary cap by any means and won't really discuss it but from reading around, couldn't we have kept Murray and paid Hardy his game by game salary as well?

Maybe we would have had to cut Carr to do that. Which in hindsight, was a good thing we did not.

Right now DAL is 10m under the cap and Murray costs 5m this year, so yes they could easily keep him, Hardy and Carr.

In fact if you subtract the 1m from McFadden it would only be another 4m to keep Murray.

 

[KJJ]

So what?

It's what fans do. Everywhere. Last year at this time, if a Cowboys fan told an Eagles fan how good Murray was, the Eagles fan would claim Murray was overrated, slow, injury prone. Now, Eagles fans think Murray is the best RB in the league not named Peterson.

Sure Eagle FANS would say that they were sitting home for the playoffs while the Cowboys were riding Murray to the playoffs. It makes no sense for Cowboy FANS to say what Philly FANS are saying because Murray set a Cowboys franchise rushing record receiving 2 MVP votes in the process last season and helped lead the Cowboys to 12 wins and the playoffs. If anyone should recognize how good a player he is it's Cowboy FANS. This is an unappreciative FAN base that booed Troy Aikman and dumped on Emmitt once he left the Cowboys. It's not thanks for the memories with this FAN base it's good riddance!

 

[casmith07]

Everything I've said people are saying is a fact. Do you think all the comments about him leaving meat on the bone, having no vision, being slow and running to darkness are a figment of my imagination? If you've done enough reading here since last season ended you'll see that many blamed his fumble for costing the Cowboys the Packers game. They turned the other cheek to his 123 yards, TD and his 4.9 rushing average in that game and continue to point the finger at his fumble making him out to be the goat. They ignore the fact the Cowboys had no pass rush and that a one legged Aaron Rodgers was picking them apart they continue to blame Murray. I posted a video clip of the best play he ever made as a Cowboy vs the Giants on opening night 3 years ago where he was totally corralled and somehow turned a huge loss into a huge gain but someone decided to tear the play apart claiming he didn't get as much as he could have and that he ran to darkness. LOL Because of his fumbles and the lack of great speed and what some perceive as a lack of vision he's been labeled by a few as a liability. Not everyone has crapped on him because many of us appreciated what he did and recognized he was an excellent player who greatly contributed to the Cowboys making the playoffs last season.

Most know Murray is a good player even the ones who are bagging on him but now that he's in Philly he's become a whipping boy for some and many are in denial about how much impacted the team last season. Many are giving the OL most of the credit for his success with some claiming just about any back could have produced what he did behind the Cowboys OL. I've read posts from several here claiming Randle could have produced what Murray did had he been given the chance but if the Cowboys believed that he would have been in there sharing a lot more of the load and Murray wouldn't have received 392 carries. Once it became apparent it was going to cost a fortune to resign Murray many began talking themselves out of wanting him back. They began downplaying his importance to the team with some going as far as to tear down his game to try and justify not resigning him. All kinds of ridiculous things were being posted in an attempt by some to render him as an average back. By the time Murray left for Philly many here had convinced themselves he's just another back and that the Cowboys won't miss a beat without him.

Too long for me to read closely, but you're conflating comments made by players (meat on the bone) with posters here, and that's disingenuous.

Bottom line: Murray's gone. Get over it. The season starts in three weeks.

 

[KJJ]

Didnt Hambrick have a 200 yard game here in Dallas on a bad team? Another useless stat.

No, he had 189 yards against an equally bad Washington team that also went 5-11. Even with that game Hambrick only averaged 3.5 a carry that season...NEXT!

 

[KJJ]

Too long for me to read closely, but you're conflating comments made by players (meat on the bone) with posters here, and that's disingenuous.

Bottom line: Murray's gone. Get over it. The season starts in three weeks.

You might want to read closely before responding because many here are following along with the same theme they've heard from players that Murray left meat on the bone. The most ridiculous comments have come from FANS. Do some "close" reading.

 

[Blackspider214]

Right now DAL is 10m under the cap and Murray costs 5m this year, so yes they could easily keep him, Hardy and Carr.

In fact if you subtract the 1m from McFadden it would only be another 4m to keep Murray.

Wow. Then I have no idea why they tried to skimp out if he costs that relatively low. And the cap increases anyways so his salary will deflate in terms of his cap hit.

People made it seem like Murray was making some outlandish amount.

 

[KJJ]

And as far as McFadden, show me the people that have said that Mcfadden is a good RB or is the answer here in Dallas. Jerry Jones is the ONLY clown touting McFadden as anything more than a spare part.

And yah, that was a great day for the run game. But again, the Oline was a big part of that and still no reason to overpay for Murray.

There's a number of people who've claimed McFadden is good try taking off your blinders and do some reading. One FAN was so thrilled with the McFadden signing he predicted 1700 yards from him. LOL Some still see the back he was at Arkansas and the 4th overall pick in the 2008 draft. Some have posted video highlights of him from 5-8 years ago to try and get all worked up over him. There's more than a few who liked the McFadden signing with some even trying to spin he'll be an upgrade over Murray due to his speed. Things have toned down with him now because he's had 2 hamstring issues since June one of which caused him to miss some training camp. Now he has a sore neck from only 4 carries on Saturday. There's a big tendency here by many to try and spin a negative into a positive and there's been many doing that with McFadden.

 

[Craig]

All of the things being said about murray were being said long before free agency started.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Everything I've said people are saying is a fact. Do you think all the comments about him leaving meat on the bone, having no vision, being slow and running to darkness are a figment of my imagination? If you've done enough reading here since last season ended you'll see that many blamed his fumble for costing the Cowboys the Packers game. They turned the other cheek to his 123 yards, TD and his 4.9 rushing average in that game and continue to point the finger at his fumble making him out to be the goat. They ignore the fact the Cowboys had no pass rush and that a one legged Aaron Rodgers was picking them apart they continue to blame Murray. I posted a video clip of the best play he ever made as a Cowboy vs the Giants on opening night 3 years ago where he was totally corralled and somehow turned a huge loss into a huge gain but someone decided to tear the play apart claiming he didn't get as much as he could have and that he ran to darkness. LOL Because of his fumbles and the lack of great speed and what some perceive as a lack of vision he's been labeled by a few as a liability. Not everyone has crapped on him because many of us appreciated what he did and recognized he was an excellent player who greatly contributed to the Cowboys making the playoffs last season.

Most know Murray is a good player even the ones who are bagging on him but now that he's in Philly he's become a whipping boy for some and many are in denial about how much impacted the team last season. Many are giving the OL most of the credit for his success with some claiming just about any back could have produced what he did behind the Cowboys OL. I've read posts from several here claiming Randle could have produced what Murray did had he been given the chance but if the Cowboys believed that he would have been in there sharing a lot more of the load and Murray wouldn't have received 392 carries. Once it became apparent it was going to cost a fortune to resign Murray many began talking themselves out of wanting him back. They began downplaying his importance to the team with some going as far as to tear down his game to try and justify not resigning him. All kinds of ridiculous things were being posted in an attempt by some to render him as an average back. By the time Murray left for Philly many here had convinced themselves he's just another back and that the Cowboys won't miss a beat without him.

Everyone here has said Murray is a good player. Why do you keep arguing like people have claimed otherwise.

And exaggerating things like "no vision" and "no speed" don't make for a rational conversation.

I also havent heard one person say he didnt contribute to the playoff run. In fact, you and I were arguing about Garrett and were you NOT claiming that the run game wasnt the big reason, it was more the defensive improvements that helped us go from 8-8 to 12-4?

I dont recall anyone claiming he is an average back and we wont miss a beat without him. You are arguing with an imaginary person.

Your making BS up and getting all tied up in a wad for nothing.

The POINT of most of us as I have told you 100 times is that Murray is a good back, just not worth the contract he got. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[KJJ]

All of the things being said about murray were being said long before free agency started.

True, because many were trying to talk themselves out of wanting him back due to the money it would cost to resign him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

There's a number of people who've claimed McFadden is good try taking off your blinders and do some reading. One FAN was so thrilled with the McFadden signing he predicted 1700 yards from him. LOL Some still see the back he was at Arkansas and the 4th overall pick in the 2008 draft. Some have posted video highlights of him from 5-8 years ago to try and get all worked up over him. There's more than a few who liked the McFadden signing with some even trying to spin he'll be an upgrade over Murray due to his speed. Things have toned down with him now because he's had 2 hamstring issues since June one of which caused him to miss some training camp. Now he has a sore neck from only 4 carries on Saturday. There's a big tendency here by many to try and spin a negative into a positive and there's been many doing that with McFadden.

Yah, well I dont know who the fool was who claimed anything about McFadden, but the people you are arguing with here never said it. I havent been around when people were claiming that or I would have laughed in their face.

 

[CowboyRoy]

True, because many were trying to talk themselves out of wanting him back due to the money it would cost to resign him.

No dude, its just that the things we dont like about Murray were realities. You are assuming they did it to talk themselves out of it. AGAIN.........arguing with an imaginary person.

 

[CowboyRoy]

True, because many were trying to talk themselves out of wanting him back due to the money it would cost to resign him.

Do you think Emmitt, Tomlinson, and other hall of famers were watching film and talking about Murrays short comings because they were talking themselves out of wanting him back? Doesnt even make sense.