Losing to win

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's a utilitarian versus the romantic ethic.

The romantic cares about what is felt and intended at the time. They live in the now and right now they want to beat the team in front of them.

As opposed to the utilitarian that looks at broader time periods than the immediate and tries to anticipate using a deterministic system. Sciency stuff typically but there are other directives as well.

I personally can see the value in both ways of doing things particularly in sport. They aren't mutually exclusive but people sure set up camps anyway.

 

[tyke1doe]

...and who tagged this "RECOMMEND"?

I ain't got that much free time.

The women on this forum continue to amaze me at the level of intellect and wisdom they display.

We need more of you among our ranks.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mike Moore had a great point that tanking would lose all of Garrett's credibility in the locker room.

This dynamic of course puts the Garrett hater in an unacceptable circumstance. If he wins and goes to the playoffs even with a losing record he isn't going anywhere.

The preferred outcome is high draft pick and new coach. There is utilitarian and then there is conniving. That really is no plan at all.

 

[Rockport]

You don't tank purposely.

But if we lose out or lose enough games to finish with a Top Ten pick, that's not a bad thing at all.

That's where we are at this point. We are 4-8. You can't sugarcoat that even in a crud division. This team, even if it makes the playoffs by some act of God, probably is an early exit anyway.

So I can't fault one Cowboys fan who deep down believes losing games from here on out isn't the worst thing in the world.

I can.

 

[Rockport]

I quit reading way way before I got anywhere near the end.

I have no clue what your point was.

The point is those who hope the team loses remaining games are losers.

 

[zrinkill]

No team has ever purposely tanked and was better off for it.

 

[Vintage]

Meh. My wanting the team to win or lose has no impact on what happens on the field.

If they win, great. We still have a chance to make the playoffs.

If they lose, it sucks .But the consolation prize is a better draft pick.

That's my attitude on this season.

 

[Craig]

That first paragraph and the following line were incoherent but in response to the topic, you shouldnt tank.

 

[blindzebra]

I accept that my team stinks right now. So why would I want them to "win the East" just so they are gifted a playoff appearance to be embarrassed by Seattle or Arizona on a Saturday afternoon? To me, that's not fun. The winner of the East this season has no business being in the playoffs. Heck, 95% of the league has no business being in the playoffs

I seem to recall just last year we were saying the same about the NFC South. Well their 2014 winner was 7-8-1 and this year are 12-0...just saying.

 

[tyke1doe]

No team has ever purposely tanked and was better off for it.

The Indianapolis Colts pre-Andrew Luck say, "Hello!"

 

[Mr Cowboy]

The point is those who hope the team loses remaining games are losers.

so if the team loses the remaining games without anyone rooting for them to lose, whose the losers?

 

[tyke1doe]

I seem to recall just last year we were saying the same about the NFC South. Well their 2014 winner was 7-8-1 and this year are 12-0...just saying.

With all due respect, there is ZERO correlation between Carolina and Dallas.
Check back with us next year when we're 12-0, and I'll eat my words.

 

[blindzebra]

With all due respect, there is ZERO correlation between Carolina and Dallas.
Check back with us next year when we're 12-0, and I'll eat my words.

2014 Carolina started the season 2-0, went to 3-8-1 and then made the playoffs by winning out...again just saying.

 

[tyke1doe]

2014 Carolina started the season 2-0, went to 3-8-1 and then made the playoffs by winning out...again just saying.

Oh, THAT'S what you were saying. I must have misread you.

 

[DandyDon52]

I think the op is saying tanking the season is bad for the mindset of the team, and drafting higher may or may not help.

I dont think jerry and JG and the team are in tank mode as long as they have a chance to win the east.
Beating wash makes their chance better, so they will not tank now either.
They will try to win in GB.

What we want or dont want is irrelevant. we are not in charge of anything.

however people saying we should tank dont bother me, or that we should try to win, they are just 2 viewpoints.

Saying getting in the playoffs is pointless, because we will lose, that is just a viewpoint,
Chances are it is true, but it is possible they could win.
I always like seeing dallas in a playoff game regardless of how good they are.

And no matter what we will draft higher than last year no matter how many we win from here on out.

 

[superonyx]

Who am I to tell a fan that they are not a fan of this team because they have a different strategy to get the team to improve?
Does it make someone less of a fan if they think its in the organizations best interest to lose the rest of the games (I am not of that mindset btw).
But if some guy wants to cheer for us to lose and his heart is in the right place then go ahead and have fun cheering for something.

Fans get so caught up pretending that we have any influence over what the coaches, and players actually think or do. We are not on the team. If a fan wants the team to tank who cares? It wont matter on sunday when the games are played on the field.

Even fans that want us to lose are still fans. They may want to take a different road to improvement but they still want improvement.

Stop all the elitist attitudes where people can judge who and what a fan is. We are all fans.

 

[blindzebra]

Oh, THAT'S what you were saying. I must have misread you.

My initial response was to the NFC East does not deserve a playoff spot, and the Carolina correlation is just eerily similar...what happens next year is yet to happen but a healthy Romo and a defense playing like this one is could make for a solid team.

 

[ak47kaehu]

Cleveland loses to win every year!

 

[tyke1doe]

My initial response was to the NFC East does not deserve a playoff spot, and the Carolina correlation is just eerily similar...what happens next year is yet to happen but a healthy Romo and a defense playing like this one is could make for a solid team.

Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

The point is those who hope the team loses remaining games are losers.

13 words and you said it.

Now wouldnt that have been better for the OP to do?

BTW, I agree those hoping to lose are losers.