Love Eli Harold ...

[xwalker]

No they made the decision on the job priority of the SDE. To contain the run first and foremost. Its amazing how much you ignore the basic functions of this defense to try and push your ideas on people. Spencer is the pass rusher who can rush in a straight line but not much else. He's not very stout as a DE against the run. Thats why he wasnt in majority of the time on 1st and 2nd down. Spencer was good vs the run as a OLB when he had some protection with the DE and being wider then a DE is set, instead of bring right over the tackle. Only time Spencer had success this yr was when Dallas lined him up wide or stood him up. Other then that he was on the sideline.

BS. When healthy, Spencer is a top run defender.

 

[LatinMind]

BS. When healthy, Spencer is a top run defender.

How do you know? He hasnt played in a 4-3 as a DE in the NFL until this past yr. What he showed this yr was nothing until the playoffs. and that was on passing downs.

 

[LatinMind]

BS. When healthy, Spencer is a top run defender.

And if Lawrence has enough trouble with OTs in the NFL being 260lbs, how is a player like Eli supposed to fair better being almost 20lbs lighter.

 

[xwalker]

And if Lawrence has enough trouble with OTs in the NFL being 260lbs, how is a player like Eli supposed to fair better being almost 20lbs lighter.

Harold is 4 pounds lighter than Lawrence was at the combine.

I didn't see Lawrence "having trouble" with OTs.

 

[LatinMind]

Harold is 4 pounds lighter than Lawrence was at the combine.

I didn't see Lawrence "having trouble" with OTs.

Then you werent looking. Go do your all22 studying and check on that.

 

[xwalker]

How do you know? He hasnt played in a 4-3 as a DE in the NFL until this past yr. What he showed this yr was nothing until the playoffs. and that was on passing downs.

He played DE on a 4 man line in the Nickel when they were using the 3-4. Teams do run against the Nickel defense. Also, he was a DE in college.

 

[rkell87]

If you are purely looking strong side, maybe Armstead is the guy.

Maybe it's the name but I get an ebanezer ekubon (sp?) feeling with him. Good but not first round good

 

[xwalker]

Then you werent looking. Go do your all22 studying and check on that.

I have. He was surprisingly good in run defense for a rookie.

 

[LatinMind]

He played DE on a 4 man line in the Nickel when they were using the 3-4. Teams do run against the Nickel defense. Also, he was a DE in college.

Correction. Dallas still played alot of odd man front even in the nickle. Most of the time Dallas ran 4man fronts was obvious passing situations. Im not saying they didnt run 4man fronts in the nickle. But not as much as you are trying to say just because it fits your argument. I suggest you go review some past seasons on that all22 too. This odd man front in the 3-4 while in nickle was a big debate around these parts when Dallas was getting ran over on 3rd downs. you gotta remember this team never ran a traditional 3-4, it was more of a hybrid. But of course you know this right? Wait correction, they did try to run it in Parcells first couple yrs, but the Marcellus wileys type players couldnt get anything going. Spencer has always been that LEO type of player. It was always Ware with his hand on the ground. when they did shift them down to the DL

 

[xwalker]

Correction. Dallas still played alot of odd man front even in the nickle. Most of the time Dallas ran 4man fronts was obvious passing situations. Im not saying they didnt run 4man fronts in the nickle. But not as much as you are trying to say just because it fits your argument. I suggest you go review some past seasons on that all22 too. This odd man front in the 3-4 while in nickle was a big debate around these parts when Dallas was getting ran over on 3rd downs. you gotta remember this team never ran a traditional 3-4, it was more of a hybrid. But of course you know this right? Wait correction, they did try to run it in Parcells first couple yrs, but the Marcellus wileys type players couldnt get anything going. Spencer has always been that LEO type of player. It was always Ware with his hand on the ground. when they did shift them down to the DL

Spencer was regarded as a better run defender than Ware.

 

[LatinMind]

Spencer was regarded as a better run defender than Ware.

Not until Ware started having neck and back issues.

 

[xwalker]

Not until Ware started having neck and back issues.

Wrong.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

And if Lawrence has enough trouble with OTs in the NFL being 260lbs, how is a player like Eli supposed to fair better being almost 20lbs lighter.

Geez bro cool off. We need a pass rusher plain and simple . The kids 21 years old he can easily gain a couple pounds that's not a problem. We need pass rushers period.

 

[LatinMind]

Geez bro cool off. We need a pass rusher plain and simple . The kids 21 years old he can easily gain a couple pounds that's not a problem. We need pass rushers period.

Dallas has a passrusher in Lawrence. Thats why drafted him. Theyre going to replace him after one yr? Anybody who thinks Eli or Lawrence would have any kind of success on the strong side is lying to themselves. They played on the right side even college for a reason.

 

[tm1119]

Dallas has a passrusher in Lawrence. Thats why drafted him. Theyre going to replace him after one yr? Anybody who thinks Eli or Lawrence would have any kind of success on the strong side is lying to themselves. They played on the right side even college for a reason.

So Lawrence is the only pass rusher we need? He's going to play every snap on that side? And there are never scenarios where 2 WDE's are on the field at the same time? Seriously man, you are way off base here

 

[LatinMind]

So Lawrence is the only pass rusher we need? He's going to play every snap on that side? And there are never scenarios where 2 WDE's are on the field at the same time? Seriously man, you are way off base here

Well dallas has awrence and mincey on the right side. you want another for the right side? This team needs SDE

 

[btcutter]

Well dallas has awrence and mincey on the right side. you want another for the right side? This team needs SDE

Mincy can play SDE if that's needed. He's not exactly your ideal LDE.
We are desperate for pass rushers. I won't get caught up on which side the kid lines up. Just need someone to go get the QB. Plenty of 3rd and long in which we need both ends to explode of the edges.

 

[tm1119]

Well dallas has awrence and mincey on the right side. you want another for the right side? This team needs SDE

got ya....so we should pass on talented pass rushers because we have Mincey. Thanks for clearing that up. Makes perfect sense now

 

[DBOY3141]

Don't know if it's a fair comparison but Bruce Irvin is 6-3 248 and had 6.5 sacks this year and 8 as a rookie. If our goal is to be similiar to Seattle than Harold may be in play.

 

[LatinMind]

Mincy can play SDE if that's needed. He's not exactly your ideal LDE.
We are desperate for pass rushers. I won't get caught up on which side the kid lines up. Just need someone to go get the QB. Plenty of 3rd and long in which we need both ends to explode of the edges.

IDK about you but the passrush seemed to be just fine the final 4 weeks and 2 playoff weeks.

last 6 games of 2014
15 sacks 16 forced turnovers

thats almost 3 sacks and almost 3 turnovers per game. People need to get off the whole this team has no passrush bit. What this team needed was just to get out of that zone. They did that and the production started happening. Dallas had 28 sacks for the yr, and 15 came in the last 4 games and 2 playoff games.