Madness

[Bach]

The only thing more depressing than Jerry's ruthless power grab is that quite a few fans are AOK with all this "madness." No matter how bizarre or contemptuous his actions, the reaction is always the same: "no big deal." Publicly neutering our head coach is spun as a good thing.

Yeah, some of these guys will swallow anything Jerry dishes out, and I mean anything.

 

[bbgun]

Yeah, some of these guys will swallow anything Jerry dishes out, and I mean anything.

From Peter King's MMQB column:

Quote of the Week II

"If I gave you the answer you want to hear then you would have already had it. The fact you don't have it ought to tell you something. It really should."
--Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, to reporters last week in Dallas, referring to the story of the offseason in Dallas: Will the divisive Terrell Owens be back with the team in 2009, or won't he?

Jones' answer here seems to suggest that if he wanted to cut Owens, he would have done so by now. But I remind you of this: Last year, days before he traded for wide receiver Roy Williams, he told me he wouldn't be trading for a wide receiver. So stay tuned.
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So the guy who complains about "erroneous" reporting and "lies" is himself a bald-faced liar. And yes, he's the guy we're supposed to get all our info from. I eagerly await the pro-Jerry spin.

 

[CF74]

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THAT RAWKS!!!!:dance2::dance3::mchammer::banjo:

 

[adbutcher]

Pioli in KC tapping his watch behing their head coach telling him to wrpa up chatting with the media comes pretty darn close


Whats the big deal Wade Phillips isnt talking? Big frigging deal LOL

It is genius when Pioli does it and idiotic when Jerruh follows suite.

 

[jday]

I answered your responses. I think every one of them reflected your willingness to take the most positive, and in my opinion, unrealistic, view of what is happening with the Dallas Cowboys. (Which is why I jokingly referred to you as Jerry)

Just one example. What is clearly micromanagement to the extreme, (gagging everyone else in the organization, including the head coach) so much so that you can't even give me ONE example of another team that operates this way, you view as "innovative."

That is all I have to read to know where you are coming from.

Weak, weak, weak.

Calling me "Jerry" was the best you could do as a retort? That alone makes you unworthy of my time. But here's a little charity, nonetheless, for the benefit of all those reading along.

You questioned why Jerry would sell something that people would buy? What part of capiltalism do you not understand?

You insist that the inability of us zoners to name another instance of where a owner has placed a gag order on coaches is an indication of it being a bad idea. This, along with the vast majority of your assertions, is a fallacy. The lack of a precedent, does not indicate a future failure, until the results suggest as much. By results, I refer to the 09 season. Until then, your argument is illogical.

You assert that this Michael Irvin reality TV show is a bad idea. Please keep in mind that most every team has an open tryout in the offseason; just not televised. Please explain why this is a bad idea?

But before you do, let me reiterate why this could be a good idea: Because it's televised, this will receive national attention, which means this broadens the awareness of our open tryouts, which further means more players who are actually capable of making in the NFL, will tryout, meaning we are, ultimately, getting more talent for our tryouts then any other team.

You claim that Jerry is saying he knows more about football. That's not what he said. He said he knows more about the team he owns. Why should that come as a suprise to anyone? Honestly, why would anyone know more about his team than he does. He is involved in every decision.

You claim lmao the media just reports the news as is and that they do not spin it at all to sell papers/magazines and to improve their overall ratings on tv and the radio. Are you serious? You can't possibly believe that. I think the vast majority of zoners, regardless of what side of this argument they represent, know that the media has contributed to much of the drama that exist. If you continue with that assertion, than it is obvious that I am wasting my time debating any points with you as you are clearly delusional.

 

[jday]

Yeah, some of these guys will swallow anything Jerry dishes out, and I mean anything.

Accepting the reality of the situation doesn't mean we don't take issue with Jerry's decisions. The reality is, it's his team, he can do with it what he wants and there isn't anything we can do about it. We will be fans regardless.

But, we also acknowledge that he wants to win, and while we don't agree with all of his decisions, we know he loves his team and wants to put the best product on the field. Team that with his past success, evident by his ability to purchase a football franchise in the first place, and we like our chances in the future, too.

Call it what you want, we represent the overall content side of the board, which, imo, is much better than being angry and depressed all the time. I mean, people actually get prescribed medicine to have our ability. Name one doctor who prescribes medicine for people to adopt your disposition and temperament!

 

[rcaldw]

Weak, weak, weak.

Calling me "Jerry" was the best you could do as a retort? That alone makes you unworthy of my time. But here's a little charity, nonetheless, for the benefit of all those reading along.

You questioned why Jerry would sell something that people would buy? What part of capiltalism do you not understand?

You insist that the inability of us zoners to name another instance of where a owner has placed a gag order on coaches is an indication of it being a bad idea. This, along with the vast majority of your assertions, is a fallacy. The lack of a precedent, does not indicate a future failure, until the results suggest as much. By results, I refer to the 09 season. Until then, your argument is illogical.

You assert that this Michael Irvin reality TV show is a bad idea. Please keep in mind that most every team has an open tryout in the offseason; just not televised. Please explain why this is a bad idea?

But before you do, let me reiterate why this could be a good idea: Because it's televised, this will receive national attention, which means this broadens the awareness of our open tryouts, which further means more players who are actually capable of making in the NFL, will tryout, meaning we are, ultimately, getting more talent for our tryouts then any other team.

You claim that Jerry is saying he knows more about football. That's not what he said. He said he knows more about the team he owns. Why should that come as a suprise to anyone? Honestly, why would anyone know more about his team than he does. He is involved in every decision.

You claim lmao the media just reports the news as is and that they do not spin it at all to sell papers/magazines and to improve their overall ratings on tv and the radio. Are you serious? You can't possibly believe that. I think the vast majority of zoners, regardless of what side of this argument they represent, know that the media has contributed to much of the drama that exist. If you continue with that assertion, than it is obvious that I am wasting my time debating any points with you as you are clearly delusional.

For the sake of those reading along, don't honor me with your time.

 

[rcaldw]

Accepting the reality of the situation doesn't mean we don't take issue with Jerry's decisions. The reality is, it's his team, he can do with it what he wants and there isn't anything we can do about it. We will be fans regardless.

But, we also acknowledge that he wants to win, and while we don't agree with all of his decisions, we know he loves his team and wants to put the best product on the field. Team that with his past success, evident by his ability to purchase a football franchise in the first place, and we like our chances in the future, too.

Call it what you want, we represent the overall content side of the board, which, imo, is much better than be angry and depressed all the time. I mean, people actually get prescribed medicine to have our ability. Name one doctor who prescribes medicine for people to adopt your disposition and temperament!

So, you admit that it takes medication, i.e., dulling the senses to reality, to arrive at your conclusions?

 

[jday]

For the sake of those reading along, don't honor me with your time.

I think it might be due to your lack of an ability to argue any of my points, that you request I not afford you any of my time.

I'm still waiting for a viable response...

 

[Bach]

Accepting the reality of the situation doesn't mean we don't take issue with Jerry's decisions. The reality is, it's his team, he can does with it what he wants and there isn't anything we can do about it. We will be fans regardless.

I don't know of anyone out there that doesn't realize it's his team and he can do what he wants with it. That's not the issue.

But, we also acknowledge that he wants to win, and while we don't agree with all of his decision, we know he loves his team and wants to put the best product on the field. Team that with his past success, evident by his ability to purchase a football franchise in the first place, and we like our chances in the future, too.

That's debatable. Now I do agree he wants to win. But it's also rather evident that he's mainly just wanting to win as long as it's "his way". He's not doing all he can do to win and to put the best product on the field, because if he was doing that and had done that from day one then he would've hired a GM when Jimmy left. He also never would've hired guys like Switzer, Gailey, Campo or Wade because none of them were the best HC candidates or even close to it when they were hired. And he also wouldn't have micromanaged their staffs and neutered their power and authority.

As for past success, that was all done due to the job Jimmy and his staff did in building the Super Bowl teams. Jerry and Barry won one on the coattails of what Jimmy left behind, but as we can see the last 13 years, Jerry's "way" hasn't worked.

Call it what you want, we represent the overall content side of the board, which, imo, is much better than be angry and depressed all the time. I mean, people actually get prescribed medicine to have our ability. Name one doctor who prescribes medicine for people to adopt your disposition and temperament!

I don't know how any diehard fan can be content with what has transpired over the better part of the last 13 years. I'll never be content with mediocrity and underachieving.

 

[rcaldw]

I think it might be due to your lack of an ability to argue any of my points, that you request I not afford you any of my time.

I'm still waiting for a viable response...

No, it is because there is a difference between love of debate and an honest and objective exchange of ideas, with a common interest in arriving at the truth, even if you aren't able to agree on what the "truth" is.

I can tell from your posts that you love mental sparring, and I understand that, I do too at times, but today I'm just too tired for it. Maybe on another day.

Oh, and anyone who considers his posts on this board "charity" to the rest of us, or to any of us specifically, has a LITTLE megalomania himself. Your sure that isn't you Jerry?

 

[jday]

So, you admit that it takes medication, i.e., dulling the senses to reality, to arrive at your conclusions?

Are you sure you don't work for the media? Perhaps to avoid this response I should have termed it as our natural ability.

Funny thing is, I was waiting for you to attack my character, which is the natural response of an individual who doesn't have a counter-argument otherwise...that and requesting me to go away, which is pretty much what you did you in your last response...so, at least, you are covering all of your bases.

 

[Stash]

I thought we came off a winning season, could be wrong tho.

Yeah, last season was a real 'winner', wasn't it?

A team with Super Bowl aspirations doesn't even make the playoffs but now the best the excuse-makers can come up with is a season one game over .500.

Amazing how some will blind themselves and lower their standards.

 

[rcaldw]

Are you sure you don't work for the media? Perhaps to avoid this response I should have termed it as our natural ability.

Funny thing is, I was waiting for you to attack my character, which is the natural response of an individual who doesn't have a counter-argument otherwise...that and requesting me to go away, which is pretty much what you did you in your last response...so, at least, you are covering all of your bases.

Nah, just having some fun. But I thought you already had that mindset (the ability to be positive and have fun) that people pay to achieve through medicine?

In all seriousness, I am really just having some fun with you. You are a Jones supporter, I get that. I am not. You get that. In the end, the results will bear one view out or the other. The only thing I will say is that your side of the debate now has 13 years of looking for validation.

 

[jday]

I don't know how any diehard fan can be content with what has transpired over the better part of the last 13 years. I'll never be content with mediocrity and underachieving.[/quote]

I don't know of anyone out there that doesn't realize it's his team and he can do what he wants with it. That's not the issue.

See the OC.

That's debatable. Now I do agree he wants to win. But it's also rather evident that he's mainly just wanting to win as long as it's "his way". He's not doing all he can do to win and to put the best product on the field, because if he was doing that and had done that from day one then he would've hired a GM when Jimmy left. He also never would've hired guys like Switzer, Gailey, Campo or Wade because none of them were the best HC candidates or even close to it when they were hired. And he also wouldn't have micromanaged their staffs and neutered their power and authority.

As for past success, that was all done due to the job Jimmy and his staff did in building the Super Bowl teams. Jerry and Barry won one on the coattails of what Jimmy left behind, but as we can see the last 13 years, Jerry's "way" hasn't worked.

I agree. It is debatable. In situations such as these, I will defer to my "If I had things my way" thread. I'm not a fan of Jerry being the GM or Wade being the coach. The premise of my original argument was to refute what the OC had to say on this situation. It is not as doom and gloom as he is making it out to be.

I don't know how any diehard fan can be content with what has transpired over the better part of the last 13 years. I'll never be content with mediocrity and underachieving.

Look, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed by this last season or the last 13 seaons. But we are not talking about a league of 2 teams. We are talking about 32 teams that all want to go to the Super Bowl. So if you are a fan, of any sport for that matter, get used to disappointment, it's part of the package.

Now, I'll grant you, are disappointment wouldn't be nearly as bad were it not for the way the season ended. But in the end, **** happens. If you are going to maintain a healthy demeanor in life as a fan, you have to know when to move on and look forward to the next year. I'm not saying that this is something every member of this board has to do; I'm saying it's important for contributors such as myself who choose to see the bright side of the situation. If you can live with that type of anger or depression, more power to you.

 

[jday]

No, it is because there is a difference between love of debate and an honest and objective exchange of ideas, with a common interest in arriving at the truth, even if you aren't able to agree on what the "truth" is.

I can tell from your posts that you love mental sparring, and I understand that, I do too at times, but today I'm just too tired for it. Maybe on another day.

Oh, and anyone who considers his posts on this board "charity" to the rest of us, or to any of us specifically, has a LITTLE megalomania himself. Your sure that isn't you Jerry?

Fair enough.

 

[jday]

Nah, just having some fun. But I thought you already had that mindset (the ability to be positive and have fun) that people pay to achieve through medicine?

Yes, if you have studied my previous post, I represent a side that offers me the most opportunity to argue, which ultimately acts as a forfeiture of time, as I have too much time on my hands during my given work day.

In all seriousness, I am really just having some fun with you. You are a Jones supporter, I get that. I am not. You get that. In the end, the results will bear one view out or the other. The only thing I will say is that your side of the debate now has 13 years of looking for validation.

Touche'

But, then, (and I know you don't want to do this, but I can't myself here) what is your measure for validation? Is winning a Super Bowl or a play off game the only destinction you will allow for Jerry to validate his efforts? Like I've said, I acknowledge that Jerry has made mistakes, but at the same time, I also see that no franchise in the history of football could be considered blameless, even in the Cowboy's years prior to Jerry. So, I temper my criticism by being realist. Everything from selecting players in the draft and free agency to picking coaches and training facilities can be a crap shoot. There are so many factors that have to be considered that many decisions are the result of trial and error. Eventually, a man who has to be intelligent to the as wealthy as he is, he will learn.

And by the way, for those who always bring up the Jimmy Johnson argument when I refer to Jerry's past success, I'm talking about the success he had before purchasing the team. I agree that Jimmy Johnson is the reason for the early 90's Super Bowls.

 

[rcaldw]

Yes, if you have studied my previous post, I represent a side that offers me the most opportunity to argue, which ultimately acts as a forfeiture of time, as I have too much time on my hands during my given work day.



Touche'

But, then, (and I know you don't want to do this, but I can't myself here) what is your measure for validation? Is winning a Super Bowl or a play off game the only destinction you will allow for Jerry to validate his efforts? Like I've said, I acknowledge that Jerry has made mistakes, but at the same time, I also see that no franchise in the history of football could be considered blameless, even in the Cowboy's years prior to Jerry. So, I temper my criticism by being realist. Everything from selecting players in the draft and free agency to picking coaches and training facilities can be a crap shoot. There are so many factors that have to be considered that many decisions are the result of trial and error. Eventually, a man who has to be intelligent to the as wealthy as he is, he will learn.

And by the way, for those who always bring up the Jimmy Johnson argument when I refer to Jerry's past success, I'm talking about the success he had before purchasing the team. I agree that Jimmy Johnson is the reason for the early 90's Super Bowls.

I believe that winning playoff games and winning championships IS the measure for an NFL franchise, yes. And so, yes, I believe if Jerry Jones currently has one of the longest dry spells, in terms of a single playoff win, in the entire National Football League, it means he has failed.

I agree that it is not an easy job. And I have fully acknowledged that I couldn't do it. But that is precisely why you find the guys who can and you don't keep trying to wing it yourself. (Jerry)

Finally, I don't think the ability to accumulate wealth equals intelligence. I also think that the height of ignorance is arrogance. When a man demeans what it takes to be a successful football coach (1 of 500 coaches) (treats our current head coach, in a public sense, like a little boy), and thinks he can do what he has seen others do just by being enthusiastic about it and giving it 100%, and giving his time to it, that is not only ignorant, it is arrogant.

Jerry Jones does not have all the abilities that exist in the world. He is not what every man is, simply if he chooses to be that. Even the Arizona Cardinals, with a HORRIBLE OWNER, (in terms of that family's past track record) has won a playoff game, and been to a Super Bowl, since our last playoff win.

At some point Jday, it isn't negative to realize that Jerry Jones is a problem for this team, it is just reality.

 

[Stash]

I believe that winning playoff games and winning championships IS the measure for an NFL franchise, yes. And so, yes, I believe if Jerry Jones currently has one of the longest dry spells, in terms of a single playoff win, in the entire National Football League, it means he has failed.

I agree that it is not an easy job. And I have fully acknowledged that I couldn't do it. But that is precisely why you find the guys who can and you don't keep trying to wing it yourself. (Jerry)

Finally, I don't think the ability to accumulate wealth equals intelligence. I also think that the height of ignorance is arrogance. When a man demeans what it takes to be a successful football coach (1 of 500 coaches) (treats our current head coach, in a public sense, like a little boy), and thinks he can do what he has seen others do just by being enthusiastic about it and giving it 100%, and giving his time to it, that is not only ignorant, it is arrogant.

Jerry Jones does not have all the abilities that exist in the world. He is not what every man is, simply if he chooses to be that. Even the Arizona Cardinals, with a HORRIBLE OWNER, (in terms of that family's past track record) has won a playoff game, and been to a Super Bowl, since our last playoff win.

At some point Jday, it isn't negative to realize that Jerry Jones is a problem for this team, it is just reality.

Well said.

And I also don't think that being the first owner arrogant enough to muzzle and emasculate your head coach can somehow be twisted into being 'innovative' either.

Maybe next year we'll play with 10 guys and be 'innovative' once again?

 

[jday]

I believe that winning playoff games and winning championships IS the measure for an NFL franchise, yes. And so, yes, I believe if Jerry Jones currently has one of the longest dry spells, in terms of a single playoff win, in the entire National Football League, it means he has failed.

I agree that it is not an easy job. And I have fully acknowledged that I couldn't do it. But that is precisely why you find the guys who can and you don't keep trying to wing it yourself. (Jerry)

Finally, I don't think the ability to accumulate wealth equals intelligence. I also think that the height of ignorance is arrogance. When a man demeans what it takes to be a successful football coach (1 of 500 coaches) (treats our current head coach, in a public sense, like a little boy), and thinks he can do what he has seen others do just by being enthusiastic about it and giving it 100%, and giving his time to it, that is not only ignorant, it is arrogant.

Jerry Jones does not have all the abilities that exist in the world. He is not what every man is, simply if he chooses to be that. Even the Arizona Cardinals, with a HORRIBLE OWNER, (in terms of that family's past track record) has won a playoff game, and been to a Super Bowl, since our last playoff win.

At some point Jday, it isn't negative to realize that Jerry Jones is a problem for this team, it is just reality.

First, the Cowboys aren't the first team to go 13 years without a play off win.

Second, I'm not sure that Jerry has demeaned Wade anymore then Wade routinely demeans himself in a given press conference. Let's be honest here. Wade is not a public speaker. I'm glad he's been gagged.

Third, your argument rely's on the specuation of the media, which has been to date extremely biased in their opinion especially when it involves the organizaiton not speaking to them.

On your side of the argument, I do believe Jerry should hand over the reigns to Wade to sink or swim. For example, fining players for misconduct, I think, is an important tool that should be in every coaches arsenol. He, furthermore, should be able to cut and acquire players as he needs, as well as, fire and hire coaching assistant's. Like I said, I don't agree with everything he does; I'm just not giving up on the season because Jerry still owns the team.