Madness

[wileedog]

But to you it is quite different. Jerry gets the blame and every but him receive praise when we do good.

I'll tell you what, I will praise Jerry to the heavens if he fires Wade tomorrow and hires Shanahan (or Holmgren, et al), Ron Wolf as GM, and announces he will spend more time on marketing and branding deals and less on day to day personnel and coaching decisions.

I can then have my dream of one of the best owners in sports funding solid football people and talented players with a real team structure in place.

That beats the snot out of the current version of Jerry World.


p.s. I pulled Wolf's name out of my butt because I'm too tired to research who is actually available. I'm sure many of them are more qualified and would do a better job 100% focused on being GM then Jerry does as The Decider in all things Cowboys related.

 

[rcaldw]

Your over exaggeration towards jterrell is not necessary. He is suggesting something that if you do not want to be a fan of Jerry, don't make it a daily, hourly or weekly notice to other fans that maybe don't agree with you, simply accept and debate, but don't retort to calling names or making suggestions because he, like myself don't really like fans who simply like to hear themselves talk so to speak.

So you truly believe that Jerry is not taking responsibility for not owning his team correctly? As I recall, he has the best team in all of sports, but he still isn't taking responsibility with owning the Cowboys. I too am hoping for better results next year, but to blame Jerry for things that happen on the field are blind to what really is the truth. But to you it is quite different. Jerry gets the blame and every but him receive praise when we do good.

Let me tell you what you and Jterrell need to realize. Go back and read every single post I've ever posted on this board, over 2,000 of them.

Not once, not one time, have I ever suggested that people who like Jerry Jones and agree with him, or PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME, people like you and Jterrell, should go find another team. Not one time.

YOU are the guys who start the "go find another team" stuff. You guys need to wake up to the reality that you are not the fan police. Nor are you the authorities on what constitutes a substantive post or thread.

If I want to post my disagreement daily, weekly or monthly, I feel absolutely free to do so, and I will continue to do so. So if you don't enjoy the thread, or you disagree with a post, you are free to not participate. How about that?

Instead of those of us who disagree with jerry finding another team, how about you find another thread?

 

[BigDFan5]

Let me tell you what you and Jterrell need to realize. Go back and read every single post I've ever posted on this board, over 2,000 of them.

Not once, not one time, have I ever suggested that people who like Jerry Jones and agree with him, or PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME, people like you and Jterrell, should go find another team. Not one time.

YOU are the guys who start the "go find another team" stuff. You guys need to wake up to the reality that you are not the fan police. Nor are you the authorities on what constitutes a substantive post or thread.

If I want to post my disagreement daily, weekly or monthly, I feel absolutely free to do so, and I will continue to do so. So if you don't enjoy the thread, or you disagree with a post, you are free to not participate. How about that?

Instead of those of us who disagree with jerry finding another team, how about you find another thread?

or you can get used to the same replies over and over

 

[rcaldw]

or you can get used to the same replies over and over

I don't think I've indicated that your replies bother me a bit, have I? I simply disagree with you. And I have 13 straight non playoff winning years to back me up. The onus isn't on me to prove that Jerry's way isn't working, the onus is on you to show that it is. You may have a lot of hopes and wishes and emotions standing behind your views, but you don't have 1 single playoff win standing behind them. So disagree all you want. I'm fine with it.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

RC, I am not telling you to find another team but in reality it seems to me you have two choices. Accept what you cannot change about the Cowboys or find another team. They aren't worth an ulcer.

Be warned though, if you chose the latter option, you will end up writing a similar post at some point in the future.

 

[Rampage]

 

[BigDFan5]

I don't think I've indicated that your replies bother me a bit, have I? I simply disagree with you. And I have 13 straight non playoff winning years to back me up. The onus isn't on me to prove that Jerry's way isn't working, the onus is on you to show that it is. You may have a lot of hopes and wishes and emotions standing behind your views, but you don't have 1 single playoff win standing behind them. So disagree all you want. I'm fine with it.

uhhh you just told us to find a new thread LOL


Not 1 playoff win? I have 3 superbowls in 20 years. Who else has that?

 

[rcaldw]

RC, I am not telling you to find another team but in reality it seems to me you have two choices. Accept what you cannot change about the Cowboys or find another team. They aren't worth an ulcer.

Be warned though, if you chose the latter option, you will end up writing a similar post at some point in the future.

CCF, I don't have an ulcer. Honest It doesn't bother me to disagree. It bothers me only in a football context, not in a life context. The Cowboys have been my favorite team since I can remember. (I vaguely remember some games from the 60's, but 1970 is the first one I can clearly remember). But they are not my life. I'm fine. I just completely, and I mean completely, disagree with Jerry Jones' current approach to running this team.

And I'm not settled against Jerry Jones either. If Jerry would change his approach, as a previous poster said, I would be the first one to sing his praises. But I absolutely disagree with what I believe to be an egomaniac's guide to running a football team. And I can remember a time when the Dallas Cowboys were not about that.

 

[rcaldw]

uhhh you just told us to find a new thread LOL


Not 1 playoff win? I have 3 superbowls in 20 years. Who else has that?

, If my disagreement with Jerry bothers you so badly, then go hang out with the fans that don't bother you. I'm not telling you that you aren't a Cowboys fan and to leave Cowboys fandom.

Not 1 playoff win in 13 years, that's right.

And Jerry Jones hasn't won anything that didn't involve a real football man with real authority in place.

Jimmy's teams won the Super Bowls, (even many of Barry Switzer's players would say that), and Parcells took this team from 3 straight 5-11 years and rebuilt the roster.

If Jerry keeps the current course the Parcell's influence will fade away, and we will be in a fix again.

In my OPINION, and I know it is just an opinion, Jerry is absolutely bent on trying to prove himself a football man.

I say good luck, I hope you can do it, but I just don't see it.

 

[BigDFan5]

, If my disagreement with Jerry bothers you so badly, then go hang out with the fans that don't bother you. I'm not telling you that you aren't a Cowboys fan and to leave Cowboys fandom.

Not 1 playoff win in 13 years, that's right.

And Jerry Jones hasn't won anything that didn't involve a real football man with real authority in place.

Jimmy's teams won the Super Bowls, (even many of Barry Switzer's players would say that), and Parcells took this team from 3 straight 5-11 years and rebuilt the roster.

If Jerry keeps the current course the Parcell's influence will fade away, and we will be in a fix again.

In my OPINION, and I know it is just an opinion, Jerry is absolutely bent on trying to prove himself a football man.

I say good luck, I hope you can do it, but I just don't see it.

Oh you are one of those Jerry is only in charge for the bad stuff people. Ok there is no talking sense to you carry on.

 

[rcaldw]

Oh you are one of those Jerry is only in charge for the bad stuff people. Ok there is no talking sense to you carry on.

If sense means that I have to turn a blinded eye to the reality that this team has only been taken to respectability, during the Jones era, under two strong and successful head coaches, then I won't hear it.

You can deny it if you like, but the fact is, this is exactly what chafes Jerry.

Jerry knows that Jimmy gets credit for the first wave of success, and people thought he needed someone like Parcells. He is fighting like a maniac to construct a winner in such a way that no one has any doubt that Jerry Jones gets the credit for it.

Lest we forget, he is the LONE voice of the Dallas Cowboys, and HE ALONE knows the full picture of what is going on with his team.

Even his head coach has been gagged. Never been done before in the NFL. Isn't done by any other pro sports team that I know of.

But some of you see absolutely nothing strange about that.

I give Jerry credit for hiring Jimmy Johnson.
I give Jerry credit for knowing that he needed someone like Parcells to change the direction of a 3 in a row 5-11 team.

My question is, why can't Jerry ever be content with that? Why can't he be content to be known as an owner who hires good football people? Why does he want to be seen as a GM/Scout/PR Director/Pseudo coach? Can you answer that for me?

 

[wileedog]

My question is, why can't Jerry ever be content with that? Why can't he be content to be known as an owner who hires good football people? Why does he want to be seen as a GM/Scout/PR Director/Pseudo coach? Can you answer that for me?

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[cowboyed]

Can someone please tell us this isn't happening? Can someone tell us when the excreting of the same old sludge will stop.

*We have an owner that basically sells everything that he can from his past stadium, down to bags of concrete, and you have people buying it. We have an owner who has also built a billion dollar plus new stadium. We all have sentimentality over the old stadium but it had to be torn down anyway with most of it recycled or landfilled. There would be a huge cost of maintaining an old decaying stadium and it would also pose a tremendous liability.

*We have an owner who, despite what a lot of the zoners have to say about the subject, has indeed made a joke of the head coaching position on his team. Just show me one bona fide head coach who can't talk to the media. Name me one IN ANY SPORT. This is a first, and it makes it just like he likes, Jerry, Jerry, more of Jerry, nothing but Jerry. It is already being clarified that the gag rule applies to now and not the upcoming season and that Wade has no objections to it. He has no love for the media as has been evident in the post game pressers.

*We have an owner who on the one front is gonna chew some butt and on the other front has agreed to the Cowboys version of Pros vs. Joes. You have an owner who has stated that they are weighing effective methods of discipline and considering the pluses and minuses of levying fines relative to the infractions. Martellus Bennett doesn't appear to be playing in Pros vs. Joes.

*We have an owner who doesn't even try to hide is megalomania any more. He now just comes out and says that no one knows it like him. Wow. We have an owner who just the other day stated that he would prefer the new stadium to simply be called The Cowboys, not Jerry's World etc.. who credits whatever visibility directed to him coming from the opportunity to own and manage the Cowboys. To the best of my knowledge there are no statues of Jerry Jones in Texas Stadium, nor will there be at the new stadium. Yeah what an egomaniac.


And on top of it all, there are host of people who applaud it all and say THERE YOU GO, MEDIA TYPES, YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE. I can understand you being perplexed and frustrated over limiting access to the media considering you yearn for the negative, speculative, inaccurate and exaggerated articles.

What? Price Tabloid Press?

Do you really think the media makes this team the joke that it is at times? Do you think the media makes Jerry Jones the laughing stock clown that he is? Yes at times they do. But let's play along your way... The NFL must have a great sense of humor because Jerry Jones serves on their advisory committee. Government and banks must be investing in Jerry Jones' sitcom because they have invested hundreds of millions of dollars into the new theater in Arlington. By the way a good number of those seats are already spoken for despite the economy and the increase in cost.

I've got news for you. The EVIL media just reports it. They don't have to drum anything up around this team, Jerry Jones gives them loads of fun every season. You are right they don't drum up anything. They always get it right. Jean Jacques Taylor, Calvin Watkins, Randy Galloway, Jennifer F Engel, Archer, McMahon, LeBreton etc.. the should be nominated for Pulitzers...

Say what you want, call me what you want, but this team has never been at a lower point in my estimation. They have been lower talent wise. They have been lower record wise. But they have never been lower in terms of how this team is currently functioning on a leadership level. I am relieved you are not an estimator in real life. Businesses would fail, buildings would collapse, planes would crash, and Robbie Knievel would experience his last motorcycle jump

Even in the Campo days Jerry TRIED to leave the PERCEPTION that Campo was in charge. He doesn't even pretend anymore.

Thank goodness because Campo is currently a secondary coach.

 

[Bach]

Oh you are one of those Jerry is only in charge for the bad stuff people. Ok there is no talking sense to you carry on.

:laugh2:

No, he's one of those who uses his brain and can think for himself people.

Jimmy and staff built those super bowl teams. Jerry and Barry won one two years later on Jimmy's coattails. And Jerry's (mis)management has brought us 13 years of no playoff wins.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

Let me tell you what you and Jterrell need to realize. Go back and read every single post I've ever posted on this board, over 2,000 of them.

Not once, not one time, have I ever suggested that people who like Jerry Jones and agree with him, or PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME, people like you and Jterrell, should go find another team. Not one time.

YOU are the guys who start the "go find another team" stuff. You guys need to wake up to the reality that you are not the fan police. Nor are you the authorities on what constitutes a substantive post or thread.

If I want to post my disagreement daily, weekly or monthly, I feel absolutely free to do so, and I will continue to do so. So if you don't enjoy the thread, or you disagree with a post, you are free to not participate. How about that?

Instead of those of us who disagree with jerry finding another team, how about you find another thread?

Where in my little paragraph did I suggest you to go find another team?

And you are completely right, you can post as much as you want until your agenda driven head flies off and breaks your monitor. And you are correct, you do not have to participate and neither do I, but my views of my Cowboys and your views are completely different.

I have never been the one to come out and order some other human being with having them go find another team if I felt that they weren't in it for the long haul. But to attack someone and then order me to go find another thread is the same form of juvenile hypocrisy. And to suggest that I not be allowed to participate in any thread that concerns you or your agenda driven ideas is also hypocrisy, so grow up. I also don't know why you have to use caps to make an EMPHASIS on the words you are trying to use. That seems very immature and unneeded in a thread about Jerry Jones, who, even I know, cares more about this football team than he does anything else right now.

 

[rcaldw]

Where in my little paragraph did I suggest you to go find another team? You were defending the guy who did.

And you are completely right, you can post as much as you want until your agenda driven head flies off and breaks your monitor. And you are correct, you do not have to participate and neither do I, but my views of my Cowboys and your views are completely different. That is why it is a message board with the opinions of fans allowed to be posted.

I have never been the one to come out and order some other human being with having them go find another team if I felt that they weren't in it for the long haul. I've already told you I've been a fan for 38 years, I would call that the long haul.


But to attack someone and then order me to go find another thread is the same form of juvenile hypocrisy. And to suggest that I not be allowed to participate in any thread that concerns you or your agenda driven ideas is also hypocrisy, so grow up. I never ordered you to do anything. I told you that if I'm such a bother to you, feel free not to participate. But don't jump into the thread and feel the need to CORRECT me for my views.


I also don't know why you have to use caps to make an EMPHASIS on the words you are trying to use. That seems very immature and unneeded in a thread about Jerry Jones Now we police the way that people emphasize their words too? What is next, the font I use? Do I need to pass the emoticons I might use past you first?


, who, even I know, cares more about this football team than he does anything else right now.

I've never argued Jerry doesn't care about his team. I've argued that Jerry cares more about being "the football guy" than he does about winning, or he would have fired himself after 13 straight years without a playoff win.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I've never argued Jerry doesn't care about his team. I've argued that Jerry cares more about being "the football guy" than he does about winning, or he would have fired himself after 13 straight years without a playoff win.

Do you forget the years of Parcells? Where we took a backseat to Parcells being the face of the team? How many playoff wins did he land us? Any Super Bowls to go along with it. It was Jerry's misunderstanding of the team after he left, thinking that we needed a Charger like 3-4, and no help on offense, to improve our chances in getting to the Super Bowl. But, that failed to happen, because in hindsight, anyone can claim that Jerry is running this team into the ground.

If you want a comparision for how this team is comparable to other professional teams with droughts, look no further than the Chicago Bulls. They have been struggling since 1998, and although they don't see the media portray them nightly on SportsCenter, that franchise is being run by a GM with little basketball operations knowledge and a coach who is the NBA clone of Garrett.

I am a little different than you, in the point where Jerry all of the blame for his excessive running the whole organization point, but I believe football fan's frustration begins with not him, but the people he hired to coach the talent that has been put together over the past 6 years of Parcells and WP. Wade and Tecmo are clearly to blame, I believe that having a different coach come in after Parcells left would have lead us in a much different direction for the better, but there will always be the negative Nancy's like yourself who find the blame to be placed on whoever gets the spotlight, i.e. TO, Jerry, Romo, etc.

But I sure as hell am going to be on your side with revolting against Jerry if this upcoming season turns out like last year's.

 

[rcaldw]

Do you forget the years of Parcells? Where we took a backseat to Parcells being the face of the team? How many playoff wins did he land us? Any Super Bowls to go along with it. It was Jerry's misunderstanding of the team after he left, thinking that we needed a Charger like 3-4, and no help on offense, to improve our chances in getting to the Super Bowl. But, that failed to happen, because in hindsight, anyone can claim that Jerry is running this team into the ground.

If you want a comparision for how this team is comparable to other professional teams with droughts, look no further than the Chicago Bulls. They have been struggling since 1998, and although they don't see the media portray them nightly on SportsCenter, that franchise is being run by a GM with little basketball operations knowledge and a coach who is the NBA clone of Garrett.

I am a little different than you, in the point where Jerry all of the blame for his excessive running the whole organization point, but I believe football fan's frustration begins with not him, but the people he hired to coach the talent that has been put together over the past 6 years of Parcells and WP. Wade and Tecmo are clearly to blame, I believe that having a different coach come in after Parcells left would have lead us in a much different direction for the better, but there will always be the negative Nancy's like yourself who find the blame to be placed on whoever gets the spotlight, i.e. TO, Jerry, Romo, etc.

But I sure as hell am going to be on your side with revolting against Jerry if this upcoming season turns out like last year's.

The reason I can't subscribe to your theory of what is wrong with us is that you forget where we were when Parcells took over. You say we had no playoff wins under Parcells. Friend, before Parcells came this team wasn't even considering playoffs. They were 5-11, 5-11, 5-11, and they were worse than their records showed.

You want to act as if Jerry was doing a good job, he just needed better coaching. The fact is, Jerry was doing a horrible job, both in personnel AND in coaching hires. The reason for the horrible coaching hires is that he was looking for our current setup, which is, strong Jerry, weak head coach presence.

The best thing Parcells did in his 4 years here was

a. Restore respectability to the team
b. Leave us a roster that was in MUCH better shape.

Jerry and Wade take it from there. A very good regular season two years ago that crashed in the first playoff game. We missed the playoffs in year 2.

I think Jerry is fine as a GM when it comes to having a strong roster and he gets to cherry pick high profile players. I think Jerry is in trouble if you ask him to construct an entire roster and have an ACCURATE big picture in his mind of what that roster should look like. That is when Jerry is playing football man, and he isn't good at it.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

The reason I can't subscribe to your theory of what is wrong with us is that you forget where we were when Parcells took over. You say we had no playoff wins under Parcells. Friend, before Parcells came this team wasn't even considering playoffs. They were 5-11, 5-11, 5-11, and they were worse than their records showed.

You want to act as if Jerry was doing a good job, he just needed better coaching. The fact is, Jerry was doing a horrible job, both in personnel AND in coaching hires. The reason for the horrible coaching hires is that he was looking for our current setup, which is, strong Jerry, weak head coach presence.

The best thing Parcells did in his 4 years here was

a. Restore respectability to the team
b. Leave us a roster that was in MUCH better shape.

Jerry and Wade take it from there. A very good regular season two years ago that crashed in the first playoff game. We missed the playoffs in year 2.

I think Jerry is fine as a GM when it comes to having a strong roster and he gets to cherry pick high profile players. I think Jerry is in trouble if you ask him to construct an entire roster and have an ACCURATE big picture in his mind of what that roster should look like. That is when Jerry is playing football man, and he isn't good at it.

One of the reasons that lead us to putting Campo as the HC is what handicapped us. We were coasting on the Super Bowl remnants of our roster. An aging QB, RB, WR and a team getting used to the salary cap era. So with the contracts given out to players like Smith, Aikman, Irvin, Sanders, Larry Allen, Marcellus Wiley, Galloway, Woodson, all lead us to hurting after all of them left the team (save for Allen and Woody). Lacewell was too trusted by Jerry and history speaks for itself. When Ireland came around and started to use the draft to land talented players 2002 until now with Ciskowski, that is when our team became a disappointment, because Jerry thought he was a football man. We all remember Qunicy, Hutch, Henson, Leaf, Hambrick brothers, Goodrich etc. He quickly learned his lesson from and and hired probably the only guy in the NFL who could right the ship, BP. That is where Jerry started taking notes so to speak. I see Jerry as trying to get the best team on paper (which he has done pretty good at assembling so far IMO without the help of BP), I would place the blame more on Jerry for signing guys like Tank and PacMan, while Wade and Garrett deserve to be on the streets or at least demoted because with our players we deserve some veteran coaches who have been successful or at least had successful Head Coaching stints. Hell, I would have taken Sparano as the HC after BP left.

People do forget that Jerry could have hired some other lameduck coach instead of BP and continued more of the same.

 

[rcaldw]

One of the reasons that lead us to putting Campo as the HC is what handicapped us. We were coasting on the Super Bowl remnants of our roster. An aging QB, RB, WR and a team getting used to the salary cap era. So with the contracts given out to players like Smith, Aikman, Irvin, Sanders, Larry Allen, Marcellus Wiley, Galloway, Woodson, all lead us to hurting after all of them left the team (save for Allen and Woody). Lacewell was too trusted by Jerry and history speaks for itself. When Ireland came around and started to use the draft to land talented players 2002 until now with Ciskowski, that is when our team became a disappointment, because Jerry thought he was a football man. We all remember Qunicy, Hutch, Henson, Leaf, Hambrick brothers, Goodrich etc. He quickly learned his lesson from and and hired probably the only guy in the NFL who could right the ship, BP. That is where Jerry started taking notes so to speak. I see Jerry as trying to get the best team on paper (which he has done pretty good at assembling so far IMO without the help of BP), I would place the blame more on Jerry for signing guys like Tank and PacMan, while Wade and Garrett deserve to be on the streets or at least demoted because with our players we deserve some veteran coaches who have been successful or at least had successful Head Coaching stints. Hell, I would have taken Sparano as the HC after BP left.

People do forget that Jerry could have hired some other lameduck coach instead of BP and continued more of the same.

I think that is some good analysis. And I don't forget that Jerry hired BP when he could have done more of the same. I give him credit for that.

Listen, I think I get misunderstood on this subject. I don't despise Jerry Jones as a person. And if Jerry's way worked, and worked long term, what would I have to say? I would have to acknowledge that his way works. I AM A DALLAS COWBOYS FAN. All I want is for our team, his team, to do well.

I simply don't believe that Jerry Jones being the main authority figure, even in football matters, is good for the football team. Every player on every team knows that the owner of the team is the ultimate authority. Who has a problem with that? Not me.

But every owner in the NFL doesn't invade the coach's territory and basically, though I hate that the word has been so overused lately, emasculate the head coach. Jerry does that. He so has to be front and center that he makes a joke of what his coaches are supposed to be.

That, in my view, doesn't produce long term success in ANY area, including football. If sub-management has no real authority, and if the people under you can be bypassed, with you being ok with it, then they are simply figure heads and you are the only one who matters.

On top of that, Jerry thinks that enthusiasm and effort can allow you to be whatever you want to be, including an NFL talent evaluator. I concede that enthusiasm and hard work can take you a long way, but some people have abilities that other people don't and no amount of enthusiasm or effort can ever change that. ESPECIALLY when you aren't giving your full attention to it.

Who knows, maybe Jerry could do it if it was all he was concentrating on, but it isn't, and it never has been.