Man shot outside stadium has died

[Clarkson]

There's always a few bad apples. The vast majority people are perfectly fine drinking in the lots. Our tailgate has between 10-15 bottles of liquor, and we've never had a problem. As far as in the stadium, you can only buy two beers at a time. How could they possibly keep track of how much alcohol THOUSANDS of people drink?

you could easily make their ticket have a bar code on it that must be scanned each time you buy a beer. limit each ticket to ~4.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I'll never understand the fascination of getting all buzzed up at 2 pm at a football game.

there shouldn't be any but it happens. Add in testosterone, anger over a bad loss, guns and this is what you get

 

[Clarkson]

So? your question was why bring a gun. If you wanted a response to this question, you should have asked "why do evil people commit evil acts against good people?"

so he brought a gun to protect himself from people like himself.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Notwithstanding the political dimension of what you're saying, are you unwilling to admit that a gun lowers the threshold of making a life/death decision by making it easier to effectuate? Not to mention that if there were a bystander who wanted to stop the attack, a gun makes it increasingly less probable that they can or would intervene vs. a weapon like a knife, blunt instrument or otherwise.

I know you really want to protect your gun, but being reasonable in these discussions is important. Removing the unique elements that firearms provide in these conflicts is inaccurate and dangerous.

in order to try and avoid my posts being deleted.

let me ask you...to compare the two

"guns and alcohol are a criminal mixture"

"stupidity and alcohol are a criminal mixture"

Tell me, how many guns did Josh Brent have mixed with his alcohol to kill his friend?

The medium by which stupidity and alcohol kill someone is irrelevant. Gun, knife, baseball bat, machete, car, push them off something tall, poison, etc. etc. are really and truly irrelevant.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

so he brought a gun to protect himself from people like himself.

In Chicago, it is proven that criminals have guns to protect themselves from other criminals. So I suppose I could say you are correct.

 

[Clarkson]

The gun wasn't at the football game, it was in the parking lot, but you are right... the beer didn't have anything to do with it. But let's also be clear, the gun didn't pull it's own trigger. Let's put the blame where it belongs... with the shooter.

but that man doesn't die without a gun present. MAYBE they get into a scuffle, but no one would die.

it's easy to lose your temper and with a gun, kill someone. it's not as easy if it's a knife, or your fist. it just makes killing so much easier.

 

[Clarkson]

in order to try and avoid my posts being deleted.

let me ask you...to compare the two

"guns and alcohol are a criminal mixture"

"stupidity and alcohol are a criminal mixture"

Tell me, how many guns did Josh Brent have mixed with his alcohol to kill his friend?

The medium by which stupidity and alcohol kill someone is irrelevant. Gun, knife, baseball bat, machete, car, push them off something tall, poison, etc. etc. are really and truly irrelevant.

just because there are other ways to kill people besides guns doesn't mean they aren't a problem. it makes it a lot easier to seriously harm someone when a gun is present. is this debatable? or do you want to ignore it because it's inconvenient?

 

[65fastback2plus2]

just because there are other ways to kill people besides guns doesn't mean they aren't a problem. it makes it a lot easier to seriously harm someone when a gun is present. is this debatable? or do you want to ignore it because it's inconvenient?

You're welcome to debate it if you want to PM me. Just to warn you, it probably wont end up pretty on your side.

 

[iceberg]

just because there are other ways to kill people besides guns doesn't mean they aren't a problem. it makes it a lot easier to seriously harm someone when a gun is present. is this debatable? or do you want to ignore it because it's inconvenient?

look man - not many in here enjoy a good gun debate more than me but however, it has been said more times than alexander and risen saying they're always right PUT TOGETHER that those convos are *not* for this house. so if you go off somewhere with 65fastback invite me - i'll dive in also.

but not here.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Terrible...hope the murderer suffers

 

[DenCWBY]

they have trials like that in China

And you never see anyone getting shot and killed after a pro football tailgate party in China. Sorry couldn't resist

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

You're welcome to debate it if you want to PM me. Just to warn you, it probably wont end up pretty on your side.

are you going to shoot him through a PM?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

just because there are other ways to kill people besides guns doesn't mean they aren't a problem. it makes it a lot easier to seriously harm someone when a gun is present. is this debatable? or do you want to ignore it because it's inconvenient?

Do you, like so many others, want to ignore the fact that bad people or criminals will have guns that they shouldn't, regardless of your gun laws?

I don't understand why so many people think if you just make it harder for honest, law abiding, people to get guns that it will help solve gun issues. People who shouldn't have guns now, because of the laws in place, still have them because NEWSFLASH dishonest and/criminal people are going to be that way regardless of your gun laws.



More importantly here is the fact that someone lost their life for no reason. NO matter how it was accomplished.

My thoughts go out to the family and friends of the lost life. Very sad. RIP.

 

[Plumfool]

Not every person convicted of murder goes to death row. If you kill a cop, that's automatic. If it's a double homicide (or more), you will go to death row. There are over 8,000 people currently incarcerated for murder in Texas.

That's true. But in this case, if the guy who pulled the trigger wasn't intoxicated, the DA may push for capital murder.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Remember the guy that fell to his death at the Rangers game?

Why is this so quiet compared to that? This was no accident.

Nobody beyond a short request from the Arlington PD to ID the crowd egging him to shoot?

The crowd needs to be rounded up.

 

[DFWJC]

Remember the guy that fell to his death at the Rangers game?

Why is this so quiet compared to that? This was no accident.

Nobody beyond a short request from the Arlington PD to ID the crowd egging him to shoot?

The crowd needs to be rounded up.

That really was disgusting. And yeah, there were enough witnesses that it would be interesting if they could find out the other instigators--though I doubt they would end up getting into much trouble even if found.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Guns are just too impersonal, rather use head butting.

 

[burmafrd]

Notwithstanding the political dimension of what you're saying, are you unwilling to admit that a gun lowers the threshold of making a life/death decision by making it easier to effectuate? Not to mention that if there were a bystander who wanted to stop the attack, a gun makes it increasingly less probable that they can or would intervene vs. a weapon like a knife, blunt instrument or otherwise.

I know you really want to protect your gun, but being reasonable in these discussions is important. Removing the unique elements that firearms provide in these conflicts is inaccurate and dangerous.

when you have morons like that something bad is going to happen guns or not.

 

[chris1995]

but that man doesn't die without a gun present. MAYBE they get into a scuffle, but no one would die.

it's easy to lose your temper and with a gun, kill someone. it's not as easy if it's a knife, or your fist. it just makes killing so much easier.

 

[jwitten82]

This sucks, but honestly that's why people shouldn't break up fights. If he didn't know them then he should have just let them fight. Not worth risking your life for someone else's situation, if they wanna kill other then let them.