Management dropped the ball

[BAT]

I don’t disagree. Peters was a no brainer for the price. Miller was a different case.

This the Stephen Jones loser mentality that has crept into Cowboys Nation.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

This is somewhere between full on goofy and recency bias.

Von Miller missed 2 years from 2019 and 2020.
He returned in 2021 and split his time between two teams with 9.5 sacks.

No one else came close to offering a 32-year-old DE that type of money.
He looked worth it Thursday but it is a long season and they are paying him a million a game whether he plays or not.

Your info is bad or just horribly ignorant.

1. Miller played in 2019 (15 games) and tallied 8 sacks/10 TFL

2. So what if he split his time w/two teams in 2021? He played in 15 games total and tallied another 9.5 sacks/19 TFL. Those stats don’t even include his playoff impact (see next).

3. You also missed the fact he was an absolute force during the Rams postseason run:
4 sacks
6 TFL
3 FF

4. You have no clue what other teams offered.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

He did not miss 2 years, he missed one year. He played in 2019 and 2021 (having 8 sacks and 9.5 sacks respectively). We have no idea if anyone came close to matching but we do know that the Bills were the team he picked and we know the Cowboys by some weird fantasy logic thought that he was worth the same as Gregory who again has less sacks for his career than Miller has in his last 2 years playing.

The only bias in play here is the people on here, like you, who are in denial because he was being touted as the best free agent pass rusher by a mile by just about every single expert out there but they thought that paying him the same as a guy whose career high sack number is 6 was a fair offer.

Dude talks out his arse on the regular.

 

[rambo2]

This the Stephen Jones loser mentality that has crept into Cowboys Nation.

Double digit wins isn't losing. Losing is what the Rams did Thursday night.

 

[LittleD]

Either...did't the Rams just win the Super Bowl?

They did because of their coaching and play style. We play like sissies.

 

[LittleD]

Except he was being sarcastic

You might be right about Dallas, but missed his point on that one

Could be...

 

[CCBoy]

You haven’t even seen this years defense play and you’re crapping on them. SMDH.

Lol...having to explain what sport is.

 

[CCBoy]

Sad to say it but, we won't either with ours.

Oh, Jerry does learn and doesn't forget what does still work.

 

[LittleD]

Oh, Jerry does learn and doesn't forget what does still work.

I'm not sure what Jerry learned or remembers. We haven't had a QB leader since Aikman some 26 years ago.

 

[Dre11]

Sacks tend to come in bunches but considering we have an entire career that shows he can and with no real slow down odds are certainly in favor of yes.

You brought up DLaw and I will bring up Gregory (because they offered Miller the same deal). Now Miller missed 2020 with an ankle injury (which is why that metric you gave is kind of silly) and in his other 2 years had 8 sack and 9.5 sacks (last year being 5 with Rams and 4.5 with Broncos). DLaw in those 3 years despite playing 9 more games still has fewer sacks. Randy Gregory has a career high sack number of 6 and got 14m AAV and the Cowboys thought that was fine value, meaning that they were not willing to pay that extra 4m for a player who has both a better pedigree and has been playing far better recently. Oh and the icing on the cake is those 17.5 sacks over 2 years is more than Gregory has for his entire career.

So you just gave out an injury fir a 33 year old who as I said haven't had a double digit sacks since 2018, who's definitely on the downside of his career, he ain't getting any better or younger and you want to give him a multi year and the 5th and 4th most money at his age, that is just stupid,

 

[CCBoy]

I'm not sure what Jerry learned or remembers. We haven't had a QB leader since Aikman some 26 years ago.

Check reality:

wins/losses over the past 5 years
offensive productivity/ranking over the past 5 years
draft rankings over the past 5 seasons
NFC East standings over the past 5 seasons
World sports franchise value rankings over the past 5 years
How many times the team entered the playoffs in the past 5 years...
then look again and not explain away

Defense improving?

 

[Dre11]

LOL. Miller is a better edge player than Gregory.

It's kind of silly to suggest otherwise. But I get it, we are in full blown Cowboys defense mode and when that happens, people tend to say outrageous things to cover for Jerry and Stephen.

At the end of the day, I wanted ZaDarius Smith. He's also a better edge player than Gregory and cheaper coming off injury.

Again at this point in his career, his production isn't that much better than Randy's, this ain't Von Miller from 5 years ago. The last time we saw Miller and Gregory their production is comparable. Fact

 

[Dre11]

Miller didn’t want to go to 31 other teams.

He also wanted to go to the team offering the big money

 

[Dre11]

He did not miss 2 years, he missed one year. He played in 2019 and 2021 (having 8 sacks and 9.5 sacks respectively). We have no idea if anyone came close to matching but we do know that the Bills were the team he picked and we know the Cowboys by some weird fantasy logic thought that he was worth the same as Gregory who again has less sacks for his career than Miller has in his last 2 years playing.

The only bias in play here is the people on here, like you, who are in denial because he was being touted as the best free agent pass rusher by a mile by just about every single expert out there but they thought that paying him the same as a guy whose career high sack number is 6 was a fair offer.

Gregory had 3 less sacks and in 3 less games and 1 less pressure in 3 less games. What are you saying dude? You're talking about career and 2, then 3 years ago. I'm talking the last time we've seen the two, at this point in Miller's career 2 years ago don't matter when you're talking about the kind of money and a multi year contract.

 

[Adreme]

So you just gave out an injury fir a 33 year old who as I said haven't had a double digit sacks since 2018, who's definitely on the downside of his career, he ain't getting any better or younger and you want to give him a multi year and the 5th and 4th most money at his age, that is just stupid,

Lets first correct that it wasnt just as he is more than a season removed and the 9.5 sacks show he did not miss a beat after coming back. Furthermore, there is no evidence that he is on the "downside" of his career. He came back and had 9.5 sacks plus 4 sacks in the playoffs where he was a dominant force.

Now you want to argue value and value is relative. Multiple teams put Randy Gregory who again has never had more than 6 sacks in a season at 14m per year. Putting Von Miller who just had 9.5 and again dominated the playoffs with 4 at 18m for 3 years is a very reasonable number. The weird metric that in his last 2 seasons he did not hit 10 (despite hitting 9.5 which shows how arbitrary your metric is) just hammer home that in those 2 seasons he still combined for more sacks than Gregory has had his entire career and Gregory is worth 14m per.

So ya there is a reason the entire NFL had Miller as the top pass rusher available and that obviously gets you more than 14m as his 18m showed and had the Cowboys matched we might be saying right now that the Cowboys are the only one of the contenders from last year that actually got better or at the very least did not get worse. The Rams got worse, the Buccs got worse, the Packers got worse, and the 49ers have a question mark at QB, but the Cowboys decided that signing the best pass rusher on the market to a market value deal is a bad move.

 

[Dre11]

Lets first correct that it wasnt just as he is more than a season removed and the 9.5 sacks show he did not miss a beat after coming back. Furthermore, there is no evidence that he is on the "downside" of his career. He came back and had 9.5 sacks plus 4 sacks in the playoffs where he was a dominant force.

Now you want to argue value and value is relative. Multiple teams put Randy Gregory who again has never had more than 6 sacks in a season at 14m per year. Putting Von Miller who just had 9.5 and again dominated the playoffs with 4 at 18m for 3 years is a very reasonable number. The weird metric that in his last 2 seasons he did not hit 10 (despite hitting 9.5 which shows how arbitrary your metric is) just hammer home that in those 2 seasons he still combined for more sacks than Gregory has had his entire career and Gregory is worth 14m per.

So ya there is a reason the entire NFL had Miller as the top pass rusher available and that obviously gets you more than 14m as his 18m showed and had the Cowboys matched we might be saying right now that the Cowboys are the only one of the contenders from last year that actually got better or at the very least did not get worse. The Rams got worse, the Buccs got worse, the Packers got worse, and the 49ers have a question mark at QB, but the Cowboys decided that s
igning the best pass rusher on the market to a market value deal is a bad move.

You said he's not on the downside of his career when again he hasn't had a double digit sack season for 2 years when from 2011 to 2018 he was a double digit sack player every year except 2013 and you say he's not on the downside of his career...lol

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Gregory had 3 less sacks and in 3 less games and 1 less pressure in 3 less games. What are you saying dude? You're talking about career and 2, then 3 years ago. I'm talking the last time we've seen the two, at this point in Miller's career 2 years ago don't matter when you're talking about the kind of money and a multi year contract.

Right, so let’s talk about Miller last year.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Gregory had 3 less sacks and in 3 less games and 1 less pressure in 3 less games. What are you saying dude? You're talking about career and 2, then 3 years ago. I'm talking the last time we've seen the two, at this point in Miller's career 2 years ago don't matter when you're talking about the kind of money and a multi year contract.

You mean the 33 year old guy that just had 2 sacks and 3 TFL?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Breaking Down Von Miller's Contract
By: Michael Ginnitti | March 21, 2022
A visual look at the numbers behind Von Miller's blockbuster free agent contract with the Bills, including $52M through 2024, and team-friendly cap hits over the next two seasons. Related: View the Full Contract

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

He also wanted to go to the team offering the big money

Von Miller says he 'would have taken less' to join Cowboys before signing massive deal with Bills

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/ww...s-before-signing-massive-deal-with-bills/amp/